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1. 03:05 PM - Shower of Sparks (Jon Boede)
2. 03:13 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Bill Culberson)
3. 04:42 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Jon Boede)
4. 05:30 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Anthony Savarese)
5. 05:32 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Anthony Savarese)
6. 05:54 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Anthony Savarese)
7. 08:29 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks (Jon Boede)
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| Subject: | Shower of Sparks |
IGN circuit breaker blows and wont reset.
New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that
the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese
engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition
CB popped and wont reset. Even if I turn off the master.
Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Shower of Sparks |
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
Im guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> IGN circuit breaker blows and wont reset.
>
> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now
that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese
engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition
CB popped and wont reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shower of Sparks |
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| Subject: | Re: Shower of Sparks |
Remove the breaker and test it on the bench with an ohm meter. If it doesn
=99t reset after removal, replace the breaker. They can fail.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion =F0=9F=99=82 I just happen
to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what
the IGN switch is.
>
> Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. T
oday was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks b
uzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
>
> So, the plan is:
> Replace the circuit breaker
> Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start soleno
id 3Q
> Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad cano
n plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
> Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
> Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
> What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
>
> Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
>
> Jon
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics
.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
>
>
> Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
>
> I=99m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
>
> Bill Culberson
> Red Star Aero Services
> 251/716/8119
>
> > On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > IGN circuit breaker blows and won=99t reset.
> >
> > New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time
now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
> >
> > I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (fr
om Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the i
gnition CB popped and won=99t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
> >
> > Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shower of Sparks |
Yes, there are switch breakers.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 8:30 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBRemove the breaker and test it on the bench with an ohm meter. If
it doesn=99t reset after removal, replace the breaker. They can fail.
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB
>> For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion =F0=9F=99=82 I just happe
n to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly wha
t the IGN switch is.
>>
>> Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button.
Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of spark
s buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
>>
>> So, the plan is:
>> Replace the circuit breaker
>> Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solen
oid 3Q
>> Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad can
on plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
>> Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
>> Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
>> What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
>>
>> Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
>>
>>
>> Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
>>
>> I=99m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
>>
>> Bill Culberson
>> Red Star Aero Services
>> 251/716/8119
>>
>> > On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
m>
>> >
>> > IGN circuit breaker blows and won=99t reset.
>> >
>> > New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first tim
e now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>> >
>> > I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (f
rom Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the
ignition CB popped and won=99t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Shower of Sparks |
Open up the shower of sparks container and you=99ll see a set of point
s next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are =9Cwelded=9D toge
ther. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work.
If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air f
orward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you n
o longer hear air =9Cwhishing=9D when you release the brake hand
le, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to s
ee if the points are =9Carcing=9D when the start button is press
ed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion =F0=9F=99=82 I just happen
to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what
the IGN switch is.
>
> Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. T
oday was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks b
uzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
>
> So, the plan is:
> Replace the circuit breaker
> Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start soleno
id 3Q
> Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad cano
n plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
> Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
> Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
> What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
>
> Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
>
> Jon
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics
.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
>
>
> Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
>
> I=99m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
>
> Bill Culberson
> Red Star Aero Services
> 251/716/8119
>
> > On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > IGN circuit breaker blows and won=99t reset.
> >
> > New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time
now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
> >
> > I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (fr
om Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the i
gnition CB popped and won=99t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
> >
> > Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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