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1. 03:36 AM - Procedure after extensive downtike? (1906)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? (Mark Pennington)
3. 04:11 AM - Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? (Richard Goode)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? (1906)
5. 04:44 AM - Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? (1906)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? (Richard Goode)
7. 07:49 AM - Primer hand pump stuck (1906)
8. 09:59 AM - Re: Primer hand pump stuck (Anthony Savarese)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Primer hand pump stuck (W LANNON)
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| Subject: | Procedure after extensive downtike? |
I have been doing some airframe work and the engine hasn't run for 3 months. All
oil from the tank seems to have drained from the oil tank via intake drain and
exhaust (will replace the oil pump eventually). Do I need to pre-oil the cylinders
as prescribed in the Russian manual? Was thinking of treating it like
an oil change and clean the screens too. Anytning else?
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| Subject: | Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? |
If it was me, I would treat the engine as a dry engine and pre oil the
system. Also, the oil is draining due to a check valve that is most
likely dirty, the oil pump does not need to be changed for this reason
only. I found mine with a bit of crud in it.... I cleaned it and hopefully
MMO will keep it clean. Not sure where the crud comes from.
Yes oil change, check all of your screens like you stated. And pre-lube
to be on the safe side. Pull through a lot. Good Luck. Enjoy the
bird.....
Mark
N621CJ
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 6:40 AM 1906 <zmadwolf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have been doing some airframe work and the engine hasn't run for 3
> months. All oil from the tank seems to have drained from the oil tank via
> intake drain and exhaust (will replace the oil pump eventually). Do I need
> to pre-oil the cylinders as prescribed in the Russian manual? Was thinking
> of treating it like an oil change and clean the screens too. Anytning else?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503449#503449
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| Subject: | Procedure after extensive downtike? |
What you don't say is whether you had done anything to conserve the engine during
these three months. If you are not using an M 14 for over a month, it really
is extremely prudent to firstly squirt preservation oil into all the cylinders,
and then put desiccant plugs to replace one of the rows of sparking plugs.
But if you haven't done that, then you should use engine oil squirted into the
cylinders; turn the engine thoroughly first by hand and then, with the sparking
plugs still out on the starting system. And I would suggest to remove the
three inlet manifold drain plugs if you don't have a manifold oil drain system.
And keep turning the engine until all oil has come out of the cylinders if
you've lost (say) 10 L from the oil tank, it clearly is somewhere in the engine,
and you need to make sure it is not going to go into the cylinders before
starting!
RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com
www.russianaeros.com
WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES
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On Behalf Of 1906
Sent: 06 October 2021 11:36
Subject: Yak-List: Procedure after extensive downtike?
I have been doing some airframe work and the engine hasn't run for 3 months. All
oil from the tank seems to have drained from the oil tank via intake drain and
exhaust (will replace the oil pump eventually). Do I need to pre-oil the cylinders
as prescribed in the Russian manual? Was thinking of treating it like
an oil change and clean the screens too. Anytning else?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503449#503449
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| Subject: | Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? |
pennington.construction.i wrote:
> If it was me, I would treat the engine as a dry engine and pre oil the system.
Also, the oil is drainingdue to a check valve that is most likely dirty,the
oil pump does not need to be changed for this reason only. I found mine with a
bit of crud in it... I cleaned it and hopefully MMO will keep it clean. Not sure
where the crud comes from.
>
> Yes oil change, check all of your screens like you stated. And pre-lube to be
on the safeside. Pull through a lot. Good Luck. Enjoy the bird.....
>
>
> Mark
> N621CJ
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> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 6:40 AM 1906 wrote:
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> > I have been doing some airframe work and the engine hasn't run for 3 months.
All oil from the tank seems to have drained from the oil tank via intake drain
and exhaust (will replace the oil pump eventually). Do I need to pre-oil the
cylinders as prescribed in the Russian manual? Was thinking of treating it
like an oil change and clean the screens too. Anytning else?
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Thanks for your advice, Mark. How did you clean your oil pump valve?
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| Subject: | Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? |
richard.goode(at)russiana wrote:
> What you don't say is whether you had done anything to conserve the engine during
these three months. If you are not using an M 14 for over a month, it really
is extremely prudent to firstly squirt preservation oil into all the cylinders,
and then put desiccant plugs to replace one of the rows of sparking plugs.
But if you haven't done that, then you should use engine oil squirted into
the cylinders; turn the engine thoroughly first by hand and then, with the sparking
plugs still out on the starting system. And I would suggest to remove the
three inlet manifold drain plugs if you don't have a manifold oil drain system.
And keep turning the engine until all oil has come out of the cylinders
if you've lost (say) 10 L from the oil tank, it clearly is somewhere in the engine,
and you need to make sure it is not going to go into the cylinders before
starting!
>
> RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
> Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
> Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
> e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com
> www.russianaeros.com
> WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES
> In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary.
>
> --
Thanks for the advice, Richard. The oil just drained into the catch pans below.
It's not in the engine anymore, aside from whatever is left in the sump.
How much oil should I squirt into the cylinders? I assume removing just the front
or rear plugs is fine, or do I need to pull all of them out?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503453#503453
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| Subject: | Re: Procedure after extensive downtike? |
No need to remove all the plugs simply one row. And in terms of the oil, it would
be good idea to have a syringe part of the original engine toolkit with
which you can spray oil in small amounts but all around the cylinder just from
one plughole. But to emphasise what I wrote below, you should keep turning the
prop until all oil has stopped coming out of exhaust/plug holes/intake tube
drains.
RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com
www.russianaeros.com
WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES
In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of 1906
Sent: 06 October 2021 12:44
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Procedure after extensive downtike?
richard.goode(at)russiana wrote:
> What you don't say is whether you had done anything to conserve the engine during
these three months. If you are not using an M 14 for over a month, it really
is extremely prudent to firstly squirt preservation oil into all the cylinders,
and then put desiccant plugs to replace one of the rows of sparking plugs.
But if you haven't done that, then you should use engine oil squirted into
the cylinders; turn the engine thoroughly first by hand and then, with the sparking
plugs still out on the starting system. And I would suggest to remove the
three inlet manifold drain plugs if you don't have a manifold oil drain system.
And keep turning the engine until all oil has come out of the cylinders
if you've lost (say) 10 L from the oil tank, it clearly is somewhere in the engine,
and you need to make sure it is not going to go into the cylinders before
starting!
>
> RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
> Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
> Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
> e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com www.russianaeros.com WORLD
> LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES In partnership with
> Aerometal Kft, Hungary.
>
> --
Thanks for the advice, Richard. The oil just drained into the catch pans below.
It's not in the engine anymore, aside from whatever is left in the sump.
How much oil should I squirt into the cylinders? I assume removing just the front
or rear plugs is fine, or do I need to pull all of them out?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503453#503453
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| Subject: | Primer hand pump stuck |
I've taken apart the primer handle to replace the o-ring and after the reassembly,
it will go into cylinder or system position but it cannot be centered. Has
anyone encountered this before? I've disassembled and reassembled it a few times
now.
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| Subject: | Re: Primer hand pump stuck |
Yes. If I remember correctly, I had to Rotate the plunger 180 degrees and reinstall
the plunger.
Dennis
Dennis
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> On Oct 6, 2021, at 10:51 AM, 1906 <zmadwolf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've taken apart the primer handle to replace the o-ring and after the reassembly,
it will go into cylinder or system position but it cannot be centered. Has
anyone encountered this before? I've disassembled and reassembled it a few
times now.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503463#503463
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| Subject: | Re: Primer hand pump stuck |
Sounds like you need a special tool! A wood dowel about 8" long and about 1/2"
in dia. with a notch cut in one end. - to position the valve in the correct position
to match the handle.
From: "1906" <zmadwolf@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 7:49:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Primer hand pump stuck
I've taken apart the primer handle to replace the o-ring and after the reassembly,
it will go into cylinder or system position but it cannot be centered. Has
anyone encountered this before? I've disassembled and reassembled it a few times
now.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503463#503463
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