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     1. 05:15 AM - Re: painting my ch601ul (Grant Corriveau)
     2. 01:35 PM - New Builder (James J. Cullen, Ph.D.)
     3. 02:03 PM - Re: Builders Locator Database (Matthew Mucker)
     4. 02:09 PM - Re: New Builder (Todd Osborne)
     5. 03:05 PM - Builder database is ready for testing (Matthew Mucker)
     6. 04:09 PM - paint (r.p.reynolds)
     7. 04:42 PM - Re: New Builder (James J. Cullen, Ph.D.)
     8. 05:37 PM - Shipping Lesson Learned (John Golovich)
     9. 08:01 PM - Re: Builder database is ready for testing (Bill Morelli)
    10. 09:35 PM - Re: Shipping Lesson Learned (CLOJAN@aol.com)
    11. 11:08 PM - Off topic A little something to brighten everyone's day. (MJBTOL@aol.com)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: painting my ch601ul | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
      
      For an example of someone's experience you DON'T want to follow:
      
      > He used
      > one of the water-based paints, and after 200 hours of painting and buffing
      > it peeled off in sheets. All of it. Check the heartbreaking story at:
      
      http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/272ca.html
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "James J. Cullen, Ph.D." <flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com>
      
      Hi Group!
      
      My wife and I have decided to build a 601-XL from kit components and we were just
      notified by ZAC that the empennage kit was shipped today.  I'm sure that most
      of the assembly is fairly straightforward.  However, evey kit I have worked
      on has its own pecularities.  I would appreciate a heads-up from 601 builders
      on any part of the empennage assembly where you had problems or think a newbie
      builder might run into potential troubles.
      
      If you happen to be visiting Las Vegas and would like to see an XL in the nest,
      please e-mail us.
      
      Best wishes,
      
      Jim and Carolyn Cullen
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Builders Locator Database | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
      
      Right.
      
      If I can find a file that resolves foreign postal codes and airports to
      latitude/longitude, I can add that to the database.
      
      -Matt
      
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
      > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:19 PM
      > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders Locator Database
      >
      >
      > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
      >
      > Matt,
      >
      > At this time your application supports only US airports/postal
      > codes, right?
      >
      > Carlos
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      >
      > > If you could each visit
      > http://12.238.61.148/register_in_directory.asp, I
      > > would sincerely appreciate the data point you could provide me.
      > You will be
      > > asked for your name, Email address, phone number, ZIP code, City, home
      > > airport, make and model of airplane.
      >
      >
      > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
      
      There are several good places to make mistakes in the 
      tail. Check out my site at www.toddtown.com to see the 
      ones I made. I made some of the very common ones, so maybe 
      you can avoid these.
      
      Todd
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Builder database is ready for testing | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
      
      (subtitled "Solving the Brent Battles problem." <g>)
      
      All,
      
      I'm really, really, really afraid of what's going to happen to my web server
      here, but I think that the builder locator database is ready for testing.
      There are currently 49 builders in the database, all but one of them are
      Zenith builders.  (One record didn't make it from the test to the live
      database, so if you registered on the test database, make sure you still
      exist in the live database.)
      
      My code is, I think, working, but the stress y'all are going to put on the
      server will tell for sure.
      
      Just so you know why I'm fearful, here's the query that the web server runs
      against the database:
      
      Select TOP 10 BuilderName, BuilderNum, BuilderAircraftMake,
      BuilderAircraftModel, BuilderCity, State, ((Atn(-((sin(Latitude) *
      sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) * cos(0.570296874877829) *
      cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836)))/ Sqr((-((sin(Latitude) *
      sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) * cos(0.570296874877829) *
      cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836)))* ((sin(Latitude) *
      sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) * cos(0.570296874877829) *
      cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836))))+1))+2*Atn(1))*57.29746) AS Distance2,
      Int(Int(Distance2) *60 + (Distance2 - Int(Distance2)) * 60) AS Distance from
      Builders, RadianZipCodes WHERE Builders.BuilderZip = RadianZipCodes.ZIP
      ORDER BY ((Atn(-((sin(Latitude) * sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) *
      cos(0.570296874877829) * cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836)))/
      Sqr((-((sin(Latitude) * sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) *
      cos(0.570296874877829) * cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836)))*
      ((sin(Latitude) * sin(0.570296874877829) + cos(Latitude) *
      cos(0.570296874877829) *
      cos(Longitude - -1.6933788635836))))+1))+2*Atn(1))*57.29746)
      
      Is that a hideously monstrous SQL query, or what!?  I think I can hear the
      web server scream in agony every time I hit this page.  Anyone with a spare
      pair of fast Pentium II processors want to make a donation? (For the
      curious, the complexity of the query is necessary since the Jet database
      engine doesn't support an acos() function natively; it must be derived to
      compute great circle distance.)
      
      In any case, the database is live at
      www.matthewmucker.com/builder_directory.asp.  Go check it out.
      
      Please email me with problems or suggestions.
      
      Please do NOT pass on the URL to others until we've exercised this system
      for a few days.
      
      Don't be too surprised if I take the database down if problems are
      discovered.
      
      -Matt
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "r.p.reynolds" <r.p.reynolds@blueyonder.co.uk>
      
      Hi guys,
      Thanks for the info on painting. I think more thought my be required. I would like
      to do it myself if possible to try to keep the cost down. When completed I
      would like a finish that is easy to repair if chips etc. happen. My friend paid
      a lot of money to have his RV6 painted and he is not happy. The paint used
      will not let him remove his fuel tank screws without ripping off the paint around
      each screw.
      
      Regards
      
      Paul        UK.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "James J. Cullen, Ph.D." <flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com>
      
      Hi Todd:
      
      Many thanks for your reply.  Actually, I came across your web site while
      Carolyn and I were researching which airplane we wanted to build and I took
      the liberty of printing out copies of your Builders' Logs!  I hope you get
      to continue work on your airframe (and stay ahead of us by a few months!) so
      we can learn more from you.  I'm pretty handy with avionics -- I installed
      an entire UPSAT/Apollo IFR stack in our Cherokee 180 (under the supervision
      of an A&P) and would be happy to return the favor if you need any help in
      that area.
      
      I'm relatively literate when it comes to computers but not at all when it
      comes to web sites and I'd like to set up one similar to yours.  I have
      Microsoft FrontPage on my computer but haven't had enough time to diddle
      with it to learn it.  Any suggestions on how I might speed up the learning
      curve would be greatly appreciated.
      
      Thanks again and if you ever make it to Las Vegas, look us up.
      
      Jim (and Carolyn) Cullen
      9456 Mast Drive, Las Vegas, NV  89117-0286
      Voice:  (702) 804-0801
      Fax:     (702) 360-5620
      e-mail:  flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builder
      
      
      > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
      >
      > There are several good places to make mistakes in the
      > tail. Check out my site at www.toddtown.com to see the
      > ones I made. I made some of the very common ones, so maybe
      > you can avoid these.
      >
      > Todd
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Shipping Lesson Learned | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Golovich" <john@golovich.com>
      
      A quick lesson I learned today.
      
      Since I work crazy work schedues and it doesn't make sense to have Roadway deliver
      the kit into my subdivision, I pick the kits up from the Roadway terminals.
      
      I picked up the wing kits today and looked at the Invoice.
      
      Roadway will charge you a $33.30 fee just to call you and tell you it is ready
      to be picked up.   In the future, I will just monitor their website and call them
      myself to see if it is ready.   Worst thing of it, they called my cell phone
      which I have to also pay the minute charge for (my fault for giving them that
      number as well).
      
      Im just happy my wing kit has arrived.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Builder database is ready for testing | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli <billvt@together.net>
      
      Matt,
      
      Your database works great and is awesome.
      
      Thanks,
      Bill
      
      do not archive
      
      
      >All,
      >
      >I'm really, really, really afraid of what's going to happen to my web server
      >here, but I think that the builder locator database is ready for testing.
      >There are currently 49 builders in the database, all but one of them are
      >Zenith builders.  (One record didn't make it from the test to the live
      >database, so if you registered on the test database, make sure you still
      >exist in the live database.)
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Shipping Lesson Learned | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
      
      
      Is Roadway the best way to have a kit shipped? Since we are paying for the 
      shipping do we have a choice on which carrier to use or does ZAC exclusively 
      use Roadway because of price? Jack Russell Fresno-Chandler CA
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Off topic A little something to brighten everyone's day. | 
      
      --> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
      
      Do not archive
      
      List-Post: <mailto:corvaircraft@mailinglists.org>
      List-Help: <mailto:corvaircraft-help@mailinglists.org>
      List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:corvaircraft-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org>
      List-Subscribe: <mailto:corvaircraft-subscribe@mailinglists.org>
      From: "Veneck, Ed" <Ed.Veneck@hp.com>
      Subject: CorvAircraft> A little something to brighten everyone's day.
      
      
      One day, the pilot of a RV-6 was told by the tower to hold short
      of the runway while a DC-8 landed. The DC-8 landed, rolled out, turned
      around, and taxied back past the RV-6. Some quick-witted comedian
      in the DC-8 crew got on the radio and said, "What a cute little plane.
      Did you make it all by yourself?" Our hero the RV-6 pilot, not about to
      let the insult go by, came back with a real zinger: "I made it out of DC-8
      parts.
      Another landing like that and I'll have enough parts for another one."
      
      
      There's a story about the military pilot calling for a priority landing
      because his single-engine jet fighter was running "a bit peaked". Air
      Traffic Control told the fighter jock that he was number two behind a
      B-52 that had one engine shut down. "Ah", the pilot remarked, " the
      dreaded seven-engine approach".
      
      
      A student became lost during a solo cross-country flight. While
      attempting to locate the aircraft on radar, ATC asked, "What was your
      last known position?"
      Student: "When I was number one for takeoff".
      
      
      Taxiing down the tarmac, the DC10 abruptly stopped, turned around and
      returned to the gate. After an hour-long wait, it finally took off. A
      concerned passenger asked the flight attendant, "What was the problem?"
      "The pilot was bothered by a noise he heard in the engine,"
      explained the flight attendant," and it took us a while to find a new
      pilot."
      
      
      "Flight 2341, for noise abatement turn right 45 degrees.."
      "But Center, we are at 35,000 feet. How much noise can we make up here?"
      "Sir, have you ever heard the noise a 747 makes when it hits a 727?"
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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