---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/08/02: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - Re: Speed Comparisons? (Phil & Michele Miller) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Speed Comparisons? (Grant Corriveau) 3. 06:24 AM - Re: Shipping Lesson Learned (John Golovich) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Shipping Lesson Learned (Ed Kramer) 5. 09:48 AM - Re: Speed Comparisons? (Matthew Mucker) 6. 10:18 AM - Re: Continental engine mount (Clive Richards) 7. 12:20 PM - Matt maybe you can help me out (Bill Morelli) 8. 01:15 PM - alternator (doug) 9. 01:29 PM - Brain lock up!! (Bill Morelli) 10. 03:59 PM - Stabilizer Ribs & Spar Connection (W.R. \) 11. 05:03 PM - Re: Stabilizer Ribs & Spar Connection (Larry C. McFarland) 12. 05:06 PM - Re: alternator (Larry C. McFarland) 13. 05:59 PM - Re: Matt maybe you can help me out (STEFREE@aol.com) 14. 06:23 PM - Re: alternator (fran tschida) 15. 07:59 PM - Re: Matt maybe you can help me out (Eric Tauch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:39 AM PST US From: "Phil & Michele Miller" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Speed Comparisons? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" Cheers, Phil M -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James J. Cullen, Ph.D. Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speed Comparisons? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "James J. Cullen, Ph.D." --> >One thing I haven't figured out yet has to do with the gyros. We're planning to install a Rotax 912S, which, I don't believe, has a vacuum pump. Jim (and others), I think you will find that a vacuum pump is an available oprion on all Rotax 912 and 914 engines. Additional weight is 1.8 pounds. Regards, Phil Miller New Zealand (701 with 912ULS) = direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Speed Comparisons? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau on 02/12/07 12:29, James J. Cullen, Ph.D. at flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com wrote: > We're > planning to install a Rotax 912S, which, I don't believe, has a vacuum pump. I've seen a 912S with a vacuum pump and standard Gyro panel, so it must be possible. fwiw -- Grant Corriveau Montreal Zodiac 601hds/CAM100 C-GHTF ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:31 AM PST US From: "John Golovich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shipping Lesson Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Golovich" In my case, ZAC did take care of the shipping for me and sent it Freight Collect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shipping Lesson Learned > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" > > I agree with this. Get ZAC to arrange for the shipping. You can get them to > bill you for the shipping costs, along with your kit. That way there's no > hassle with the trucking company. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Frisby" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shipping Lesson Learned > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > > > I agree, Roadway is a good way to ship from ZAC. However it seems you > > should have ZAC arrange the shipping, I got a quote directly from Roadway > > for shipping a CH801 cowl and an engine mount from MO to Kent WA ( an ocean > > shipper "SpanAlaska") would take it from there. The Roadway quote (to me as > > an individual) was about $250, Shirley at ZAC got it shipped by the same > > company for about $90. > > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:19 AM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shipping Lesson Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" Greetings, ZAC claims to get a 50% discount from Roadway, it's true. I had a 701 kit (everything but fuselage) shipped from ZAC to Western NY. An internet quote from Roadway was about $240.00, from ZAC the actual cost was $117.00. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edkramer@prodigy.net Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:07 AM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Speed Comparisons? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" Carl, > > Finally, anyone building/flying a Zodiac in the DFW area? > Why, funny you should mention that... questions like this are easily answered using the "Homebuilder Locator Database" at http://www.matthewmucker.com/builder_directory.asp. Go to that link, scroll down to "Find Builders by Airport," type in "DFW" and click "Submit." After admiring that ugly math equation that I had to derive (and spending a few seconds in meditative admiration for the guy who wrote the website ), scroll down and get contact information for the builders closest to dfw airport! -Matt ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:24 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Continental engine mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" Z.A.C have said they are making drawings for the Continental 0-200 engine mount which I beleive will be the same as for the C series. as at least 4 are required in the UK and they were advertised as available with the Kit, but those supplied did not fit. Ray Lasnier is completing remainder of his 601 HD while he waits. He needs this information from Z.A.C. for P.F.A. Inspector to pass a mount if he builds one. Suggest you contact Nick Heintz At support@zenith.com Do not archive Clive Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg P Jannakos" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos > > Looking for following items for Zodiac 601 > > 1.Engine mount for C series Continental engine or plans for building > same. > 2. Canopy > > Any available? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:43 PM PST US From: Bill Morelli Subject: Zenith-List: Matt maybe you can help me out --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli Matt, I've been a long time user and contributor to the Zenith List you maintain and really appreciated what it has done for my building and post building support. I have an electrical question maybe you could help me with or steer me in the right direction if you don't mind. I am working on a wing leveler for my Zodiac and am will be using a MEMS chip (solid state gyro). The chip only comes in a BALL GRID ARRAY package. What I need is a source for a prototype board that will accept BGA type devices so I can then plug that into my breadboard for debugging purposes. Do you know of such a source? If not, do you have any engineer type acquaintances that may be able to help? Regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:03 PM PST US From: "doug" Subject: Zenith-List: alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug" Any recommendations for an alternator to fit on my CAM100. Cheap, light, around 30 to 35 amps and easy to find? Doug Mattson dm10495@cedarnet.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:50 PM PST US From: Bill Morelli Subject: Zenith-List: Brain lock up!! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli I misposted my electrical question to the list that was meant for Matt Dralle Sorry - do not archive Bill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:03 PM PST US From: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Ribs & Spar Connection --> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" It's Sunday Zenith is closed and I have a question. The plans say the Stabilizer ribs are attached with 2 A4s but you are going through skin, doublers & rib. That seems a little thick for an A4. There is also text in the manual that makes it seem like there are A4s & A5s. (4 total per rib.) But I don't see that on the plans. Looking at the photos at the Zenith Builders there are clearly 2 A5 clecos except in the 360mm positions where there is no doublers. I noticed all this after building with 2 A5s in each rib except in the 360mm position where I have A4s. I haven't riveted yet just clacked but I'm ready to rivet up the stabilizer skeleton except for this. Any help would be appreciated. I get the digest so please also please reply direct as well. W.R. "Gig" Giacona Zodiac 601XL N601WR (Working on Tail) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:42 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Ribs & Spar Connection --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Gig, Chris Heinz recently published a statement in the Zenith Newsletter that covers "most often" things they are asked. One of them is about the distinction between A4 and A5 usage. "It's generally O.K. to use A5s in place of A4s". I'd assume this is stated to fix an oversized 1/8" hole or simply get a better grip for thickness. You can use your descretion on this issue. Of course, one would not substitute A5s with A4s in any case. Hope this helps, Larry C. McFarland - 601hds @ http://www.macsmachine.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.R. "Gig" Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Stabilizer Ribs & Spar Connection > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" > > It's Sunday Zenith is closed and I have a question. > > The plans say the Stabilizer ribs are attached with 2 A4s but you are > going through skin, doublers & rib. That seems a little thick for an A4. > > There is also text in the manual that makes it seem like there are A4s & > A5s. (4 total per rib.) But I don't see that on the plans. > > Looking at the photos at the Zenith Builders there are clearly 2 A5 clecos > except in the 360mm positions where there is no doublers. > > I noticed all this after building with 2 A5s in each rib except in the 360mm > position where I have A4s. > > I haven't riveted yet just clacked but I'm ready to rivet up the stabilizer > skeleton except for this. > > Any help would be appreciated. I get the digest so please also please reply > direct as well. > > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > Zodiac 601XL > N601WR (Working on Tail) > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:51 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Doug, Did you look at the alternators on the AeroElectric Connection? They have several. Cheap I'm not sure about. > Any recommendations for an alternator to fit on my CAM100. Cheap, light, > around 30 to 35 amps and easy to find? > > Doug Mattson > dm10495@cedarnet.org > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:57 PM PST US From: STEFREE@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matt maybe you can help me out --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:18:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, billvt@together.net writes: > Do you know of such a source? If not, do you have any > engineer type > acquaintances that may be able to help? Hi Bill, If Matt can't help, try Don Honabach. He is not an elctrical engineer but he has designed some of his own high end custom electronics complete with custom burned circuit boards. I bet he could help, and it might even motivate him to get out of his 2+ year building slump. Worth a try. Steve ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:55 PM PST US From: "fran tschida" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "fran tschida" Doug; Great Plains Aircraft, www.greatplainsas.com sells a belt driven alternator for $89.96. Weight is 6 1/2lbs. Output is supposed to be approx. 40 amps. I also know of some people using a John Deere small tractor alternator of 35 amps and about 6 pounds. Have no idea of the price. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" Subject: Zenith-List: alternator > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "doug" > > Any recommendations for an alternator to fit on my CAM100. Cheap, light, > around 30 to 35 amps and easy to find? > > Doug Mattson > dm10495@cedarnet.org > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:21 PM PST US From: "Eric Tauch" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Matt maybe you can help me out --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" Hi Bill, Check the following links: http://www.adapters.com/catalog/BGA_solutions.pdf www.adapter-tech.com http://www.emulation.com http://www.arieselec.com Depending on your debug system, and the number of pins on the package, you may need an adapter that is mounted to a small PCB to break-out the pins to something you can easily get onto. The smaller BGA packages are on 0.8mm spacing up to about 1.27mm. These adapters are not cheap, and typically run in the hundreds of dollars (maybe not so much for a low pin count package). I would be interested in what you are working on, as I want a wing leveler on my 601XL, but decided I would go with the TRU TRAC system ($$). I am an EE, and design and fabricate PCB for a living on a contract basis, so I can help you out with that part of it. Nowadays, the fabrication and assembly of PCB is dirt cheap due to fabrication overseas (Im sorry to say, as this is not good for our American economy), if productization or assembly of a few protos is desired. Send me the product link, as I would be interested in looking at it. Eric Tauch erictauch@attbi.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Morelli Subject: Zenith-List: Matt maybe you can help me out --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli Matt, I've been a long time user and contributor to the Zenith List you maintain and really appreciated what it has done for my building and post building support. I have an electrical question maybe you could help me with or steer me in the right direction if you don't mind. I am working on a wing leveler for my Zodiac and am will be using a MEMS chip (solid state gyro). The chip only comes in a BALL GRID ARRAY package. What I need is a source for a prototype board that will accept BGA type devices so I can then plug that into my breadboard for debugging purposes. Do you know of such a source? If not, do you have any engineer type acquaintances that may be able to help? Regards, Bill