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1. 05:04 AM - Test (Dave Austin)
2. 05:26 AM - Question about Painting & Alodining (Steve Danielson)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
4. 10:14 AM - Re: Question about Painting & Alodining (Larry C. McFarland)
5. 12:43 PM - Re: New To List (Rick)
6. 01:44 PM - Re: Instrument panel layout ()
7. 04:22 PM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Leo J. Corbalis)
8. 05:55 PM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Philip Polstra)
9. 09:00 PM - Re: New To List (Larry C. McFarland)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
The list has gone very quiet. Testing
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Question about Painting & Alodining |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
I've got a question about painting, and was wondering what opninions folks
had on this. I was looking through the archives for information on acid etch
followed by alodining, and while I didn't find too many folks using it
internally before priming, I saw several folks say that when it was time to
paint the exterior of the plane, they did it. But I know of other folks that
did not use that process before painting (like John T with the spray can
rustoleum and others that used the "real" spray gun/painting)
My questions are:
What external painting systems require the alodining process? If they don't
require it, do they recommend it? (Looking through big corporate websites
for the manufacturers like Dupont yields very little results that I could
find)
If a person was planning to paint their plane after alodining the exterior,
would it make sense to alodine the exterior during construction and leave
the unpainted alodined exterior for a year or more until such time as
painting? (Would you want to go ahead and do the rivets as well, since the
heads would be getting it if you did it after assembly)
If a person was planning to do item 2 above (alodine now during
construction) what benefit would be received by doing the interior as well
(would it be total overkill due to the corrosion resistant 6061-T6 we are
using?
Thanks all
Steve
PS I too noticed the list was quiet so these popular topics will be stir up
some replies.
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| Subject: | Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
I looked into this for a customer and found that you can not run both GPS
and EFIS at the same time. To switch between the two takes some time for
the EFIS system to re calibrate itself and while doing this you must be in a
good strait and level attitude with out to much up and down turbulence. My
though is that when you need it the most it will fail you because it will
not have calibrated correctly.
Noel and Yoshie Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
"We do builder assistance!"
Toll Free: 866-859-0390
info@blueskyaviation.net
www.blueskyaviation.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
charles.long@gm.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
If you are looking for a "save your bacon" system for inadvertant
IMC, you should consider Anywhere Map's GPS Moving Map and EFIS combo
using a solid state gyro pac. Cost for whole system including GPS engine,
Compac IPAC and Solid State Gyro is around $1800! Couple this with an
electric T&B at $300 and you even have redundancy.
Chuck Long, CFI
> I am considering installing venturi vacuum driven AI and wonder if
> anyone has had any experience with this type of system.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about Painting & Alodining |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Steve,
Any etch process should be left until it's in close proximity to
paint preperation. Alodine is a way of handling the etch process and it's
one easier way to cover the large area required, but I'd leave
it for the week you paint. I'm using acrylic enamels
inside, over zinc chromate. (inexpensive and repairable) An organic
3M mask offers adequate protection from the chromate.
The outside will consider a harder finish, but it too must be something
that is repairable without killer fumes like urethanes where an organic
mask doesn't even get close to protecting you or the family.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Question about Painting & Alodining
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
>
> I've got a question about painting, and was wondering what opninions folks
> had on this. I was looking through the archives for information on acid
etch
> followed by alodining, and while I didn't find too many folks using it
> internally before priming, I saw several folks say that when it was time
to
> paint the exterior of the plane, they did it. But I know of other folks
that
> did not use that process before painting (like John T with the spray can
> rustoleum and others that used the "real" spray gun/painting)
>
> My questions are:
>
> What external painting systems require the alodining process? If they
don't
> require it, do they recommend it? (Looking through big corporate websites
> for the manufacturers like Dupont yields very little results that I could
> find)
>
> If a person was planning to paint their plane after alodining the
exterior,
> would it make sense to alodine the exterior during construction and leave
> the unpainted alodined exterior for a year or more until such time as
> painting? (Would you want to go ahead and do the rivets as well, since the
> heads would be getting it if you did it after assembly)
>
> If a person was planning to do item 2 above (alodine now during
> construction) what benefit would be received by doing the interior as well
> (would it be total overkill due to the corrosion resistant 6061-T6 we are
> using?
>
> Thanks all
>
> Steve
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
"Larry C. McFarland" wrote:
> Clifton,
> Welcome to the list! The process of scratch building
> would especially depend on what your experience in making things
> draws from.
<snip some good advice on scratch-building>
>
> If you need further assist, please visit my website and journal.
>
> Larry C. McFarland - 601hds @ http://www.macsmachine.com
I gotta say, that website of Larry's is a GREAT source of info for those
of us building the 601. It's really helped me visualize how this bird
goes together :)
I'm about 2 or 3 months into my kit built wing/ scratch built fuselage
601HD right now, here's the latest pics building and mating the fuselage
sections:
http://lightflyers.com/fuse.html
http://lightflyers.com/mate.html
Hoping to have an Airplane Shaped Object by New Years' Day.
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel layout |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Aircraft Spruce catalogue
best regards
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "fran tschida" <tschidax@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument panel layout
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "fran tschida"
<tschidax@worldnet.att.net>
>
> What is the A/S catalog?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument panel layout
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > here is what I did:
> > using a CAD software - AutoCad in my case - I made a drawing of the IP.
> > Then, using the templates provided by the A/S catalogue I drew all the
> > instruments plus the cut-out area and center hole for each instrument.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <l.corbalis@worldnet.att.net>
Get 2 PDA's, one for efis and one for gps.
I have a Navaid wing leveler autopilot with a GPS coupler, cross country is
a sightseeing ride. If I get my tail in a crack, I know I can use the
wingleveler / tracker to get me there while I fly the elevator. You MUST be
able to ignore vertigo!
Leo Corbalis
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| Subject: | Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
>
> I looked into this for a customer and found that you can not run both GPS
> and EFIS at the same time. To switch between the two takes some time for
> the EFIS system to re calibrate itself and while doing this you must be in
a
> good strait and level attitude with out to much up and down turbulence.
My
> though is that when you need it the most it will fail you because it will
> not have calibrated correctly.
>
This seems to contradict what their website says. They say the gyros don't
take any computing power and are always running therefore preventing the
problem you describe. Also, the price is $2295 with the PDA, AI, and
Anywhere Map combo. They have a holiday sale of $2195.
---
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Rick,
I'm impressed with you're progress. You do really nice work.
Because you're on your firewall, I must comment if it weren't
obvious, (because I missed it), put the rivets into the firewall with the
heads
toward the tank as you assemble the nose gear support channels. This
is only important where the tank and firewall are close. It's recommended
they be placed thru the thin first and the thick material last where
practicable anyway.
Recently had to reverse them and it does make a difference when you
put a sound proofer between the firewall and the tank.
Thank you for the compliments. It's good to find
one's work useful to other builders.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New To List
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
> I'm about 2 or 3 months into my kit built wing/ scratch built fuselage
> 601HD right now, here's the latest pics building and mating the fuselage
> sections:
> http://lightflyers.com/fuse.html
> http://lightflyers.com/mate.html
>
> Hoping to have an Airplane Shaped Object by New Years' Day.
> Rick Pitcher
>
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