---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/13/02: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - Test (Dave Austin) 2. 05:26 AM - Question about Painting & Alodining (Steve Danielson) 3. 08:36 AM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 4. 10:14 AM - Re: Question about Painting & Alodining (Larry C. McFarland) 5. 12:43 PM - Re: New To List (Rick) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: Instrument panel layout () 7. 04:22 PM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Leo J. Corbalis) 8. 05:55 PM - Re: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS (Philip Polstra) 9. 09:00 PM - Re: New To List (Larry C. McFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:28 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Zenith-List: Test --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" The list has gone very quiet. Testing Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:52 AM PST US From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Question about Painting & Alodining --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" I've got a question about painting, and was wondering what opninions folks had on this. I was looking through the archives for information on acid etch followed by alodining, and while I didn't find too many folks using it internally before priming, I saw several folks say that when it was time to paint the exterior of the plane, they did it. But I know of other folks that did not use that process before painting (like John T with the spray can rustoleum and others that used the "real" spray gun/painting) My questions are: What external painting systems require the alodining process? If they don't require it, do they recommend it? (Looking through big corporate websites for the manufacturers like Dupont yields very little results that I could find) If a person was planning to paint their plane after alodining the exterior, would it make sense to alodine the exterior during construction and leave the unpainted alodined exterior for a year or more until such time as painting? (Would you want to go ahead and do the rivets as well, since the heads would be getting it if you did it after assembly) If a person was planning to do item 2 above (alodine now during construction) what benefit would be received by doing the interior as well (would it be total overkill due to the corrosion resistant 6061-T6 we are using? Thanks all Steve PS I too noticed the list was quiet so these popular topics will be stir up some replies. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:53 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" I looked into this for a customer and found that you can not run both GPS and EFIS at the same time. To switch between the two takes some time for the EFIS system to re calibrate itself and while doing this you must be in a good strait and level attitude with out to much up and down turbulence. My though is that when you need it the most it will fail you because it will not have calibrated correctly. Noel and Yoshie Simmons Blue Sky Aviation, Inc. "We do builder assistance!" Toll Free: 866-859-0390 info@blueskyaviation.net www.blueskyaviation.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of charles.long@gm.com Subject: Zenith-List: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com If you are looking for a "save your bacon" system for inadvertant IMC, you should consider Anywhere Map's GPS Moving Map and EFIS combo using a solid state gyro pac. Cost for whole system including GPS engine, Compac IPAC and Solid State Gyro is around $1800! Couple this with an electric T&B at $300 and you even have redundancy. Chuck Long, CFI > I am considering installing venturi vacuum driven AI and wonder if > anyone has had any experience with this type of system. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:14 AM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about Painting & Alodining --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Steve, Any etch process should be left until it's in close proximity to paint preperation. Alodine is a way of handling the etch process and it's one easier way to cover the large area required, but I'd leave it for the week you paint. I'm using acrylic enamels inside, over zinc chromate. (inexpensive and repairable) An organic 3M mask offers adequate protection from the chromate. The outside will consider a harder finish, but it too must be something that is repairable without killer fumes like urethanes where an organic mask doesn't even get close to protecting you or the family. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Question about Painting & Alodining > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" > > I've got a question about painting, and was wondering what opninions folks > had on this. I was looking through the archives for information on acid etch > followed by alodining, and while I didn't find too many folks using it > internally before priming, I saw several folks say that when it was time to > paint the exterior of the plane, they did it. But I know of other folks that > did not use that process before painting (like John T with the spray can > rustoleum and others that used the "real" spray gun/painting) > > My questions are: > > What external painting systems require the alodining process? If they don't > require it, do they recommend it? (Looking through big corporate websites > for the manufacturers like Dupont yields very little results that I could > find) > > If a person was planning to paint their plane after alodining the exterior, > would it make sense to alodine the exterior during construction and leave > the unpainted alodined exterior for a year or more until such time as > painting? (Would you want to go ahead and do the rivets as well, since the > heads would be getting it if you did it after assembly) > > If a person was planning to do item 2 above (alodine now during > construction) what benefit would be received by doing the interior as well > (would it be total overkill due to the corrosion resistant 6061-T6 we are > using? > > Thanks all > > Steve > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:45 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New To List --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick "Larry C. McFarland" wrote: > Clifton, > Welcome to the list! The process of scratch building > would especially depend on what your experience in making things > draws from. > > If you need further assist, please visit my website and journal. > > Larry C. McFarland - 601hds @ http://www.macsmachine.com I gotta say, that website of Larry's is a GREAT source of info for those of us building the 601. It's really helped me visualize how this bird goes together :) I'm about 2 or 3 months into my kit built wing/ scratch built fuselage 601HD right now, here's the latest pics building and mating the fuselage sections: http://lightflyers.com/fuse.html http://lightflyers.com/mate.html Hoping to have an Airplane Shaped Object by New Years' Day. Rick Pitcher ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:57 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument panel layout --> Zenith-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce catalogue best regards Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "fran tschida" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument panel layout > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "fran tschida" > > What is the A/S catalog? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument panel layout > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > here is what I did: > > using a CAD software - AutoCad in my case - I made a drawing of the IP. > > Then, using the templates provided by the A/S catalogue I drew all the > > instruments plus the cut-out area and center hole for each instrument. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:04 PM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" Get 2 PDA's, one for efis and one for gps. I have a Navaid wing leveler autopilot with a GPS coupler, cross country is a sightseeing ride. If I get my tail in a crack, I know I can use the wingleveler / tracker to get me there while I fly the elevator. You MUST be able to ignore vertigo! Leo Corbalis ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:59 PM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Combo EFIS & Moving Map GPS --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" > > I looked into this for a customer and found that you can not run both GPS > and EFIS at the same time. To switch between the two takes some time for > the EFIS system to re calibrate itself and while doing this you must be in a > good strait and level attitude with out to much up and down turbulence. My > though is that when you need it the most it will fail you because it will > not have calibrated correctly. > This seems to contradict what their website says. They say the gyros don't take any computing power and are always running therefore preventing the problem you describe. Also, the price is $2295 with the PDA, AI, and Anywhere Map combo. They have a holiday sale of $2195. --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:29 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New To List --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Rick, I'm impressed with you're progress. You do really nice work. Because you're on your firewall, I must comment if it weren't obvious, (because I missed it), put the rivets into the firewall with the heads toward the tank as you assemble the nose gear support channels. This is only important where the tank and firewall are close. It's recommended they be placed thru the thin first and the thick material last where practicable anyway. Recently had to reverse them and it does make a difference when you put a sound proofer between the firewall and the tank. Thank you for the compliments. It's good to find one's work useful to other builders. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New To List > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick > I'm about 2 or 3 months into my kit built wing/ scratch built fuselage > 601HD right now, here's the latest pics building and mating the fuselage > sections: > http://lightflyers.com/fuse.html > http://lightflyers.com/mate.html > > Hoping to have an Airplane Shaped Object by New Years' Day. > Rick Pitcher > DO Not Archive