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1. 06:36 AM - Transponder / Com Radios Wanted (charles.long@gm.com)
2. 06:37 AM - Painting (Benford2@aol.com)
3. 08:03 AM - Re: Chuck, landing information (H. Robert Schoenberger)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: Rivet color?? (Clyde D Ehlers)
5. 09:32 AM - Aluminum sheet on Ebay (John Thompson)
6. 02:34 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Jon Croke)
7. 06:30 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Carlos Sa)
8. 08:29 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Jon Croke)
9. 09:41 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Dave Alberti)
10. 10:40 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Rick)
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| Subject: | Transponder / Com Radios Wanted |
12/17/2002 09:34:52 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I am in the market for a used transponder preferably with encoder.
Also need a panel mount Com Radio. Anyone out there have one of these for
sale. Thanks.
Chuck Long
HDS, 80%
complete
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
I just painted my 801 and the way I went was, 1- good wash. 2- Acid wash with
Dupont 225 and maroon scotch brite, rub real good and get all the
fingerprints off, remember to wear gloves because without them you will be
introducing more prints and that is where the problems come from. Rinse good
with plain water and let dry. I used Dupont 615 self etching primer and after
that dries lightly go over all surfaces with maroon scotch brite again to
take off any overspray dust. Alodine is not required on new aluminim and it
will just add another layer for the paint to delaminate from. I then shot
Imron on the plane and it looks pretty darn good too. Try to keep the coats
within 24 hours or so , that will keep any contaminates from settling on the
primer surface. It is not that hard at all and you can get a nice finish,
just take your time and wear a GOOD respirator. Ben Haas N801BH.
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| Subject: | Re: Chuck, landing information |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
The link below has a tremendous source of 701 piloting data and the hanger
construction is unique. Thanks to Niol for preparing the website and to
David and Maria for steering us to it. Hap Schoenberger tail finished,
working on right wing. Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck, landing information
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair"
<dlummy@visi.net>
>
> Try this link below:
> http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying%203.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers <clydes-shop@juno.com>
HI: Larry
The rivets are identified by the shape of the head and if a dimple or
tit or a bar on top to tell the hardness and if none on top it is soft.
most us it with dimple it works hard in pounding. This is from my old
school days and while i work at Braniff Before it folded
The feathers are 90% and am working to make sure it fits the fuselage
fittings.
Clyde # 25 CH 200/300
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:14:26 -0600 "Larry C. McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com> writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Jon,
> The color of MS20470 rivets isn't like clecos. These come either
> hard or soft, so you might just squeeze a couple to be assured that
> they
> are the soft ones you wanted. Sounds like the former were anodized
> to keep them from oxidation and the silver were perhaps protected
> by some other process, or not. Pure 1100 doesn't likely need
> protection.
> Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet color??
>
>
> > Does anyone understand rivets well enough to explain to me how I
> can
> specify
> > the color of a rivet?
> >
> > I slightly over-enlarged some holes on the trailing edge of the
> flaps
> which
> > are to use solid, soft 3/32 rivets, and are gold in color as
> supplied by
> > ZAC. I ordered a bag of the next size up (1/8) and received, from
> Wicks,
> > the right size, but they are SILVER in color and hence, dont match
> the
> gold
> > ones!
> >
> > Is the color of these rivets some how part of the part number??
> > I ordered MS20470A4-3
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
Yours Truly,
Clyde Ehlers
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| Subject: | Aluminum sheet on Ebay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson <rcav8r@chorus.net>
Hi all,
just a note to let everyone know that I've put a couple of sheets of 4x12
aluminum up for auction on Ebay. They are .016 and .025 thick.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26441&item=1875002300&rd=1
I'll also be putting up the fasteners for a 701 up for auction later,
but please don't ask me whats included, as I don't have a list handy
anymore. But I will tell you its probably the vast majority of parts
needed for a 701 except the advel Advex rivets of which there are none.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Hi guys,
Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my
rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft.
Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number designation
says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in all
regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come gold
color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to ask
the vendor: what color are you gonna send me!
Jon
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers <clydes-shop@juno.com>
>
> HI: Larry
> The rivets are identified by the shape of the head and if a dimple or
> tit or a bar on top to tell the hardness and if none on top it is soft.
> most us it with dimple it works hard in pounding. This is from my old
> school days and while i work at Braniff Before it folded
> The feathers are 90% and am working to make sure it fits the fuselage
> fittings.
> Clyde # 25 CH 200/300
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:14:26 -0600 "Larry C. McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com> writes:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland"
> > <larrymc@qconline.com>
> >
> > Jon,
> > The color of MS20470 rivets isn't like clecos. These come either
> > hard or soft, so you might just squeeze a couple to be assured that
> > they
> > are the soft ones you wanted. Sounds like the former were anodized
> > to keep them from oxidation and the silver were perhaps protected
> > by some other process, or not. Pure 1100 doesn't likely need
> > protection.
> > Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet color??
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone understand rivets well enough to explain to me how I
> > can
> > specify
> > > the color of a rivet?
> > >
> > > I slightly over-enlarged some holes on the trailing edge of the
> > flaps
> > which
> > > are to use solid, soft 3/32 rivets, and are gold in color as
> > supplied by
> > > ZAC. I ordered a bag of the next size up (1/8) and received, from
> > Wicks,
> > > the right size, but they are SILVER in color and hence, dont match
> > the
> > gold
> > > ones!
> > >
> > > Is the color of these rivets some how part of the part number??
> > > I ordered MS20470A4-3
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they are all
gold.
I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part number
matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned.
Or should I be?!???
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
> Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my
> rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft.
> Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number designation
> says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in all
> regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come gold
> color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to ask
> the vendor: what color are you gonna send me!
>
> Jon
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Well, we now we're gettin somewhere....
Want your rivets SILVER color : order from Wickes
Want your rivets GOLD : order from Aircraft Spruce!
Personally, the silver match the aluminum better, but the gold were supplied
with the kit. Go figure!
Jon
www.joncroke.com
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they
are all
> gold.
> I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part
number
> matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned.
> Or should I be?!???
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
>
> > Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my
> > rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft.
> > Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number
designation
> > says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in
all
> > regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come
gold
> > color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to
ask
> > the vendor: what color are you gonna send me!
> >
> > Jon
>
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
As part of the anti-corrosion process used on aluminum parts in the outboard
motor industry the final operation is a dip bath in a weak chromic acid
solution. Chromic acid is very red color and the aluminum gets the gold
color from the chromate conversion process. The gold rivets may have the
same process to keep them from corroding.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
>
>
> Well, we now we're gettin somewhere....
>
> Want your rivets SILVER color : order from Wickes
> Want your rivets GOLD : order from Aircraft Spruce!
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet color?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Carlos Sa wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they are
all
> gold.
> I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part number
> matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned.
> Or should I be?!???
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
Hi Carlos.
I've seen both the silver and the gold in the "AD" type rivets. I think
they are both anodized, they just use a clear solution when they anodize
the silver ones.
I don't know about the softer 1100 alloy "A" rivets. All the "A" rivets
I've ever used were dyed red so they'd stick out like a sore thumb if
someone put one in where it didn't belong. I figured they were all dyed
red but apparently not.
Hey, don't you have a website for your 601 project? What's the URL? I
need all the help I can get :
)
Rick Pitcher
http://lightflyers.com/Zodiac.html
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