---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/17/02: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:36 AM - Transponder / Com Radios Wanted (charles.long@gm.com) 2. 06:37 AM - Painting (Benford2@aol.com) 3. 08:03 AM - Re: Chuck, landing information (H. Robert Schoenberger) 4. 09:03 AM - Re: Rivet color?? (Clyde D Ehlers) 5. 09:32 AM - Aluminum sheet on Ebay (John Thompson) 6. 02:34 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Jon Croke) 7. 06:30 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Carlos Sa) 8. 08:29 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Jon Croke) 9. 09:41 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Dave Alberti) 10. 10:40 PM - Re: Rivet color?? (Rick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Transponder / Com Radios Wanted From: charles.long@gm.com 12/17/2002 09:34:52 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I am in the market for a used transponder preferably with encoder. Also need a panel mount Com Radio. Anyone out there have one of these for sale. Thanks. Chuck Long HDS, 80% complete Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:08 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com I just painted my 801 and the way I went was, 1- good wash. 2- Acid wash with Dupont 225 and maroon scotch brite, rub real good and get all the fingerprints off, remember to wear gloves because without them you will be introducing more prints and that is where the problems come from. Rinse good with plain water and let dry. I used Dupont 615 self etching primer and after that dries lightly go over all surfaces with maroon scotch brite again to take off any overspray dust. Alodine is not required on new aluminim and it will just add another layer for the paint to delaminate from. I then shot Imron on the plane and it looks pretty darn good too. Try to keep the coats within 24 hours or so , that will keep any contaminates from settling on the primer surface. It is not that hard at all and you can get a nice finish, just take your time and wear a GOOD respirator. Ben Haas N801BH. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:33 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Chuck, landing information --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" The link below has a tremendous source of 701 piloting data and the hanger construction is unique. Thanks to Niol for preparing the website and to David and Maria for steering us to it. Hap Schoenberger tail finished, working on right wing. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck, landing information > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" > > Try this link below: > http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying%203.htm > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? From: Clyde D Ehlers --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers HI: Larry The rivets are identified by the shape of the head and if a dimple or tit or a bar on top to tell the hardness and if none on top it is soft. most us it with dimple it works hard in pounding. This is from my old school days and while i work at Braniff Before it folded The feathers are 90% and am working to make sure it fits the fuselage fittings. Clyde # 25 CH 200/300 On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:14:26 -0600 "Larry C. McFarland" writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" > > > Jon, > The color of MS20470 rivets isn't like clecos. These come either > hard or soft, so you might just squeeze a couple to be assured that > they > are the soft ones you wanted. Sounds like the former were anodized > to keep them from oxidation and the silver were perhaps protected > by some other process, or not. Pure 1100 doesn't likely need > protection. > Larry C. McFarland - 601hds > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Croke" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? > > > > Does anyone understand rivets well enough to explain to me how I > can > specify > > the color of a rivet? > > > > I slightly over-enlarged some holes on the trailing edge of the > flaps > which > > are to use solid, soft 3/32 rivets, and are gold in color as > supplied by > > ZAC. I ordered a bag of the next size up (1/8) and received, from > Wicks, > > the right size, but they are SILVER in color and hence, dont match > the > gold > > ones! > > > > Is the color of these rivets some how part of the part number?? > > I ordered MS20470A4-3 > > > > _-> > > > > > > > > Yours Truly, Clyde Ehlers ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:14 AM PST US From: John Thompson Subject: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet on Ebay --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson Hi all, just a note to let everyone know that I've put a couple of sheets of 4x12 aluminum up for auction on Ebay. They are .016 and .025 thick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26441&item=1875002300&rd=1 I'll also be putting up the fasteners for a 701 up for auction later, but please don't ask me whats included, as I don't have a list handy anymore. But I will tell you its probably the vast majority of parts needed for a 701 except the advel Advex rivets of which there are none. John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:10 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Hi guys, Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft. Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number designation says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in all regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come gold color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to ask the vendor: what color are you gonna send me! Jon > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers > > HI: Larry > The rivets are identified by the shape of the head and if a dimple or > tit or a bar on top to tell the hardness and if none on top it is soft. > most us it with dimple it works hard in pounding. This is from my old > school days and while i work at Braniff Before it folded > The feathers are 90% and am working to make sure it fits the fuselage > fittings. > Clyde # 25 CH 200/300 > On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:14:26 -0600 "Larry C. McFarland" > writes: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" > > > > > > Jon, > > The color of MS20470 rivets isn't like clecos. These come either > > hard or soft, so you might just squeeze a couple to be assured that > > they > > are the soft ones you wanted. Sounds like the former were anodized > > to keep them from oxidation and the silver were perhaps protected > > by some other process, or not. Pure 1100 doesn't likely need > > protection. > > Larry C. McFarland - 601hds > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Croke" > > To: > > Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? > > > > > > > Does anyone understand rivets well enough to explain to me how I > > can > > specify > > > the color of a rivet? > > > > > > I slightly over-enlarged some holes on the trailing edge of the > > flaps > > which > > > are to use solid, soft 3/32 rivets, and are gold in color as > > supplied by > > > ZAC. I ordered a bag of the next size up (1/8) and received, from > > Wicks, > > > the right size, but they are SILVER in color and hence, dont match > > the > > gold > > > ones! > > > > > > Is the color of these rivets some how part of the part number?? > > > I ordered MS20470A4-3 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:11 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they are all gold. I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part number matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned. Or should I be?!??? Carlos CH601-HD, plans > Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my > rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft. > Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number designation > says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in all > regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come gold > color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to ask > the vendor: what color are you gonna send me! > > Jon Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:49 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Well, we now we're gettin somewhere.... Want your rivets SILVER color : order from Wickes Want your rivets GOLD : order from Aircraft Spruce! Personally, the silver match the aluminum better, but the gold were supplied with the kit. Go figure! Jon www.joncroke.com do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they are all > gold. > I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part number > matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned. > Or should I be?!??? > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans > > > > Yes I am the original asker of the rivet color question.... I checked my > > rivets and they squeezed no problem... they are soft. > > Bu the real question is knowing when you order, what part number designation > > says they are anodized coated or not... I got silver ones -- correct in all > > regards except the color! I assume (maybe wrong) that they would come gold > > color by default... just like an AN bolt or nut...! I guess you have to ask > > the vendor: what color are you gonna send me! > > > > Jon > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:01 PM PST US From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" As part of the anti-corrosion process used on aluminum parts in the outboard motor industry the final operation is a dip bath in a weak chromic acid solution. Chromic acid is very red color and the aluminum gets the gold color from the chromate conversion process. The gold rivets may have the same process to keep them from corroding. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > > Well, we now we're gettin somewhere.... > > Want your rivets SILVER color : order from Wickes > Want your rivets GOLD : order from Aircraft Spruce! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:06 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet color?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Carlos Sa wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > I just received my first shipment of solid rivets (from A.S.S.), and they are all > gold. > I found it strange, as I was expecting silver color. But, since the part number > matches what the plans ask for, I'm not concerned. > Or should I be?!??? > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans Hi Carlos. I've seen both the silver and the gold in the "AD" type rivets. I think they are both anodized, they just use a clear solution when they anodize the silver ones. I don't know about the softer 1100 alloy "A" rivets. All the "A" rivets I've ever used were dyed red so they'd stick out like a sore thumb if someone put one in where it didn't belong. I figured they were all dyed red but apparently not. Hey, don't you have a website for your 601 project? What's the URL? I need all the help I can get : ) Rick Pitcher http://lightflyers.com/Zodiac.html