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1. 03:36 AM - ZAC praise (Lowell Metz)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: ZAC praise (Alexander Birca (RMD))
3. 04:10 AM - Very good christmas for everyone! (Jari Kaija)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Rudder deflection (Paul Sharpe)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Steer)
6. 08:12 AM - Greeting from Iceland. (Johann G.)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Greeting from Iceland. (Randy L. Thwing)
8. 08:43 AM - Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing (Gary Liming)
9. 01:23 PM - Christmas and Holiday (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
10. 02:26 PM - To Randy Thwing (Johann G.)
11. 04:46 PM - Re: Christmas and Holiday (Chuck Deiterich)
12. 08:36 PM - Christmas airplane related story (Jim and Lucy)
13. 09:01 PM - Re: Christmas airplane related story (Jim and Lucy)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Lowell Metz <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
I have been following the " slam Chris and ZAC" thread for the last couple
of days and have read "blasts " in the past. Although I rarely reply to
any comments on list I felt compelled to add my 2 cents worth. ( And that
isn't worth much today).
I am a tool and die maker by trade, an automotive tooling engineer
by profession, and a retired USN Aviation Structures Mechanic Chief (
retired ) and am building my forth plane ( CH 701 )as way of background for
my perspective.
The ZAC designs are the best utilization of material application in
simplistic engineering form I have worked with.
The ZAC support is timely and straight forward.
ZAC is price competitive in their market.
Time and again as I built my plane I wondered why something was designed
the way it was until I really studied it and always found that there were
three design criteria underlying it. Safety, strength, and ease of
construction. We are building fun recreational aircraft hoping to save a
few dollars with sweat equity. It takes some thinking and a little skill
to harvest some of the rewards.
I have met with, and sat in on many of Chris's lectures and hold the
man in high regard. We have a designer that most kit companies only dream
of. If Chris were to tip over and bump his head, numbers and formulas
wound run out all over the place. Just check out the last two issues of
Experimenter and explain to me what each formula means.
I don't want to sound too cruel here but if you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen. Really, maybe another hobby would be better
suited for some people,
Lowell Metz
CH 701 engine to go
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" <Alexander.Birca@rmd.ericsson.se>
Hi all,
I am very far from all of you (geographically) and just intend to build,
but I am totally agree
Lowell opinion. It is very complicated to design some things simple and at the
same time
good. May be Chris planes are not looking outstanding, especially 701, but they
are works.
As about custom engine mount, it is impossible to support every engine
you can find.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year!
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: Lowell Metz [mailto:lowellmetz@earthlink.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC praise
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Lowell Metz <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
I have been following the " slam Chris and ZAC" thread for the last couple
of days and have read "blasts " in the past. Although I rarely reply to
any comments on list I felt compelled to add my 2 cents worth. ( And that
isn't worth much today).
I am a tool and die maker by trade, an automotive tooling engineer
by profession, and a retired USN Aviation Structures Mechanic Chief (
retired ) and am building my forth plane ( CH 701 )as way of background for
my perspective.
The ZAC designs are the best utilization of material application in
simplistic engineering form I have worked with.
The ZAC support is timely and straight forward.
ZAC is price competitive in their market.
Time and again as I built my plane I wondered why something was designed
the way it was until I really studied it and always found that there were
three design criteria underlying it. Safety, strength, and ease of
construction. We are building fun recreational aircraft hoping to save a
few dollars with sweat equity. It takes some thinking and a little skill
to harvest some of the rewards.
I have met with, and sat in on many of Chris's lectures and hold the
man in high regard. We have a designer that most kit companies only dream
of. If Chris were to tip over and bump his head, numbers and formulas
wound run out all over the place. Just check out the last two issues of
Experimenter and explain to me what each formula means.
I don't want to sound too cruel here but if you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen. Really, maybe another hobby would be better
suited for some people,
Lowell Metz
CH 701 engine to go
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Very good christmas for everyone! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Very good christmas and better new year for everyone!
-Jari
www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder deflection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" <fly601@rogers.com>
Dave,
My rudder deflection is 24 degrees from center, both left and right.
Regards,
Paul Sharpe
C-IABP CH601HD R912S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
>
> I'm interested in the actual numbers any current 601 builders have for the
angular deflection on their finished planes.
>
> Dave
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
I received an email reply from Nick last Friday to a request I'd sent in on
Wednesday. Don't know if they're open this week or not.
BTW, I've *always* received excellent support from ZAC. There have been
occasions, such as during the EAA convention, when it took a few days to get a
reply, but they've always sent a meaningful reply. There was even one time when
they called *me* after I had a question about some damage during shipment. I
wouldn't hesitate to build another ZAC plane.
Bill
> > In defense of Zenair,
> >
> > They only claim to be a firewall back solution.
>
> Since someone else brought it up....does anyone know if ZAC has closed
> down for the holidays? I've sent two requests for tech support that have
> gone unanswered for over two weeks. I find that unusual based on previous
> experiences.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Greeting from Iceland. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Hello everyone.
I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy new flying year 2003.
Hope you will all be healthy and eager to build and fly your planes in the new
year.
Thank you all for your support.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Greeting from Iceland. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Johann G. <johann-g@talnet.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Greeting from Iceland.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy new flying year
2003. Hope you will all be healthy and eager to build and fly your planes in
the new year.
> Thank you all for your support.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
I spoke with Nick today, and he told me that although Sebastian had
suffered a brain aneurysm, which can be very serious, his wasn't too severe
and is back today, just taking it easy.
As for ZAC criticism, I can empathize with both sides. I know how hard it
is to do technical support well, especially to groups that have some
members with strong personalities (egos) like doctors and pilots. (How
would you like to be Nick day after day, given where their manuals and
drawings used to be?) Living about 1 hour drive away, I've visited the
plant many times, and they have always been as friendly and accommodating
folks as you could ask for. They are also very busy every time I've been
there, but not too busy to talk to me.
On engine mounts, I had a problem with mine - the holes didn't match the
pre-drilled holes on the firewall, and although the manual tells you to be
very careful to keep those centered when you install the engine mount
brackets, you really need to wait to install those brackets until you can
line them up with the mount you have. When I reported the problem, they
had Zenair in Canada make me one that matched my holes. To be sure, a guy
from Zenair called me to verify the hole placement, and he was quite
nice. The new one fit fine, and is a little better than the old one.
On the other hand, it is very frustrating when things do go wrong in a
project. There are many gaps in the manuals and drawings which could have
made things better, but nothing that hasn't come out ok in the end. There
have been times when I've questioned my choice, but heck, there have been
times when I've questioned my sanity as well. It really helps to get
plugged into some other builders for moral support during those times. You
don't have to live in a super active homebuilding area, either. I am
equally in contact with builders across town as well as Alaska, Wyoming,
Wisconsin, etc thanks to this medium. (Thanks guys!)
Like any business, ZAC has to strike a balance between making a certain
level of profit, hiring enough staff to provide a certain level of support
and quality, and having some competitive pricing. Would you go for price
increases on your kits to cover a $60,000 plus benefits manual writer to be
brought on board? Perhaps some of us would, but that probably cuts out
some potential trying to keep down costs. Always tradeoffs.
Anyway, I hope everyone on this list and at ZAC have a great holiday!
Gary Liming
801
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| Subject: | Christmas and Holiday |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
"Merry Christmas!" and/or "Happy Holidays!" guys.
May 2003 be a great year for all of you, filled with many happy hours of
flight.
Fred Hulen
Jabiru 3300 "Zodie Rocket" HDS, N-601LX
Waiting to do "first fright" (yep, spelled it correctly) when the right day
off and good weather occurs at the same time.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Sorry list members, but my friend Randy Thwing has been sending me mail, but I
can not reply to his e-mail.
E-mail Address: n4546v@mindspring.com
Randy, do you have another e-mail address I could respond to?
Sorry for that private mail, but this is the only way I know how to contact Randy.
Do not archive.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas and Holiday |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Fred,
I had a problem starting my Jab 2200 when it was cold. Turns out the mag
coils were gapped too much. Also, Pete Krotje has a cold weather starting
procedure on his web site. It worked for me.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Merry Christmas to all.
> Waiting to do "first fright" (yep, spelled it correctly) when the right
day
> off and good weather occurs at the same time.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Christmas airplane related story |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
This is a great story I heard it tonight on the radio.
They play it every year on Xmas eve here.
I found it on their website and thought I would share
it with you guys that never heard it before.
Its about a lost vampire pilot trying to get home to
England on Xmas eve in late 1950's
It is in real audio format and even my junky internet
connection gets it ok.
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
ch601hds
ea81
http://cbc.ca/asithappens/audio/aih_7.ram
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas airplane related story |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
At 11:34 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
>
>This is a great story I heard it tonight on the radio.
>
>They play it every year on Xmas eve here.
>
>I found it on their website and thought I would share
>it with you guys that never heard it before.
>
>Its about a lost vampire pilot trying to get home to
>England on Xmas eve in late 1950's
>
>It is in real audio format and even my junky internet
>connection gets it ok.
>
>Jim Pollard
>Merlin Ont
>ch601hds
>ea81
>
>
>http://cbc.ca/asithappens/audio/aih_7.ram
>
>
>do not archive
Sorry wrong link try this one
http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/real/pt1-01-12-24-aih1.ram
starts about 2 min after the begining
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