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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: C series Continental mount (Eric Mchugh)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: ASI accuracy (Brenton Battles)
3. 05:52 AM - remove (Joseph Hollars)
4. 05:52 AM - remove (Joseph Hollars)
5. 05:55 AM - ASI and Static testing (Pete)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Land on the ice - ARE YOU NUTS!! (Don Walker)
7. 10:18 AM - It harrived! (Carlos Sa)
8. 12:27 PM - Re: Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing (Robert Rehmel)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing (Robert Rehmel)
10. 01:29 PM - Re: ASI accuracy (Greg Ferris)
11. 07:26 PM - Pneumatic rivet puller (Dave Austin)
12. 07:28 PM - Re: Static Port Location (Gary Gower)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: remove (Gary Gower)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Pneumatic rivet puller (Rick)
15. 08:51 PM - Perfect engine for your 601 (Andy Smith)
16. 09:28 PM - Partial Kit For Sale 601HDS (Don)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: C series Continental mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Mchugh" <e.mch@tiscali.co.uk>
Grant
I am going the same route as yourself ie build a jig .Could you confirm to
nme what the engine downthrust and offset angles are for a 0-200 on a hds
thanks in anticipation
eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Schemmel, Grant <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: C series Continental mount
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant"
<Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
>
>Time: 11:39:56 AM PST US
>From: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
>
>Looking for following items for Zodiac 601
>
> 1.Engine mount for C series Continental engine or plans for
building same.
> 2. Canopy
>
>Any available?
>
>************************
>
>Greg,
>
>I have a welding jig I built up for mine, along with the initial sketches I
made to put it together. The jig was initially off laterally by about 3
inches, resulting in the front flange of the engine being 3 inches off from
center. I had it cut off and re-welded correctly, and with the second mount
iteration, my o-200 fit perfectly.
>
>I could probably either send you my sketches or the jig if you're
interested (jig for cost+shipping). Be aware though that the jig is pretty
heavy, as I made it out of plate steel and 1.5" angles.
>
>Contact me off-list if you are: grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
>
>Grant Schemmel
>Penrose, Colorado
>N602GS - 601HDS w/ o-200, 32 hours and free to roam
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
At Sun 'n Fun Nick Heintz located a point on the rear fuselage where
Chris recommends placing dual static ports - one on either side tied
together with a T fitting: about 1' aft of the trailing edge of the
wing and about 1.5' - 2' above the lower longeron. This seems to work
fine for me - no variation of ASI during hard slips or any other
attitude I've yet experienced. I'll check the exact location when I'm
at my airplane today.
Regards,
Brent Battles
N16BZ 366 hrs since 5/18/00
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joseph Hollars <jwhollars@click1.net>
remove
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joseph Hollars <jwhollars@click1.net>
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| Subject: | ASI and Static testing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete" <pfergus2@tampabay.rr.com>
I found some very good links on the subject of testing airspeed and static
systems.
EAA Chapter 1000
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm
RST Engineering / Jim Weir
http://www.rst-engr.com/
Happy New Year... All...Fly safe
Peter Ferguson
601 HDS TD
Jab 3300
N601PK
"moving project out to the airport"
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| Subject: | Re: Land on the ice - ARE YOU NUTS!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
That's cool, Bill. Wish I had been there. Thanks for sharing the story. Don
Walker
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Land on the ice - ARE YOU NUTS!!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli <billvt@together.net>
>
> Yesterday I went up for flight and just after takeoff, one of my fellow
> EAA members calls me on the radio and says hey Bill I'm up over Highgate
> Center (Northern end of Lake Champlain) at 1000 feet and I'm going to land
> on the ice. The pilot, Don, is 75 years old (or young) and flies a
Citabria
> (he also has a Cessna Skylane). So I fly up to where he is and locate him
> circling in his bright red Citabria. He says "follow me" so I do, we start
> a descent for the ice. I'm thinking what the heck is this thing going to
do
> on ice???? Well, Don lands and I follow and land behind and to the left of
> him. There were ice fisherman all over the place watching us come in. The
> ice was smooth as silk and the HDS only got a bit squirrely on the roll
out.
>
> So, there you have it, another first for me and my HDS.
>
> What a hoot!!!!!
>
> do not archive.
>
> Regards,
> Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus - Vermont - 187.2 flight hrs. - 291
> landings, 1 ON ICE!!)
> web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
It wasn't in a crate.
It wasn't wrapped in bubble wrap.
It wasn't even in a carton box filled with styrophoam peanuts.
It did not come with assembly instructions or a User's Guide.
It does not even require batteries.
But it is here and ready to use:
Just get off the chair and start using your brand new New Year!
Here are my wishes to fellow Listers (including myself, of course):
May the rivet lines and rivet pitch agree all the time;
May ZAC replies to your questions (continue to) be timely;
May your screw-ups be self-correcting (have you committed one of these yet?!),
so
you don't need to call ZAC;
May the part you just cut never be too small;
May the chair under the part you just drilled through be the one destined to the
trash, not the antique your wife loves;
May you always have enough material and hardware to continue working through the
night/weekend/holiday;
May all parts and assemblies be plumb and level (except when they shouldn't);
May all list replies have the irrelevant parts of the original text deleted;
May all web lists be as courteous and friendly as this one;
May Steve Freeman find the time to reactivate his (very nice) web site.... ;o)
May stuck builders find the motivation to get with their projects.
For those already flying:
May the winds always be tailwinds - except on landing and take-off;
May you always have more gas in the tank than the necessary to get back home;
May the bad weather be elsewhere;
May the runway be real wide - so 701 drivers can brag they landed across it, as
opposed to lengthwise;
May all fly-ins occur under fair weather.
And, above all, much health, peace and hapiness throughout the New Year for all
of
you, your families and friends.
Carlos
(Test driving the first of 364 days - it's looking good, folks!)
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Rehmel" <traveler601@earthlink.net>
I had not heard about Sebastian being ill. Hope everything works out for
him.
As to difficulties with the ZAC drawings I must admit I have been
frustrated with the manual layout. I am building a 601HDS from a kit. I
usually find that if I stop and read further ahead and layout the pieces it
all makes since. Also when I have had questions the factory has been very
responsive to my questions.
My father and I have been building for two years and are now into the
forward fuselage.
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/24/2002 11:42:50 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
>
>
> I spoke with Nick today, and he told me that although Sebastian had
> suffered a brain aneurysm, which can be very serious, his wasn't too
severe
> and is back today, just taking it easy.
>
> As for ZAC criticism, I can empathize with both sides. I know how hard
it
> is to do technical support well, especially to groups that have some
> members with strong personalities (egos) like doctors and pilots. (How
> would you like to be Nick day after day, given where their manuals and
> drawings used to be?) Living about 1 hour drive away, I've visited the
> plant many times, and they have always been as friendly and accommodating
> folks as you could ask for. They are also very busy every time I've been
> there, but not too busy to talk to me.
>
> On engine mounts, I had a problem with mine - the holes didn't match the
> pre-drilled holes on the firewall, and although the manual tells you to
be
> very careful to keep those centered when you install the engine mount
> brackets, you really need to wait to install those brackets until you can
> line them up with the mount you have. When I reported the problem, they
> had Zenair in Canada make me one that matched my holes. To be sure, a
guy
> from Zenair called me to verify the hole placement, and he was quite
> nice. The new one fit fine, and is a little better than the old one.
>
> On the other hand, it is very frustrating when things do go wrong in a
> project. There are many gaps in the manuals and drawings which could
have
> made things better, but nothing that hasn't come out ok in the end.
There
> have been times when I've questioned my choice, but heck, there have been
> times when I've questioned my sanity as well. It really helps to get
> plugged into some other builders for moral support during those times.
You
> don't have to live in a super active homebuilding area, either. I am
> equally in contact with builders across town as well as Alaska, Wyoming,
> Wisconsin, etc thanks to this medium. (Thanks guys!)
>
> Like any business, ZAC has to strike a balance between making a certain
> level of profit, hiring enough staff to provide a certain level of
support
> and quality, and having some competitive pricing. Would you go for price
> increases on your kits to cover a $60,000 plus benefits manual writer to
be
> brought on board? Perhaps some of us would, but that probably cuts out
> some potential trying to keep down costs. Always tradeoffs.
>
> Anyway, I hope everyone on this list and at ZAC have a great holiday!
>
> Gary Liming
> 801
>
>
>
>
>
--- Robert Rehmel
--- traveler601@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Rehmel" <traveler601@earthlink.net>
I had not heard about Sebastian being ill. Hope everything works out for
him.
As to difficulties with the ZAC drawings I must admit I have been
frustrated with the manual layout. I am building a 601HDS from a kit. I
usually find that if I stop and read further ahead and layout the pieces it
all makes since. Also when I have had questions the factory has been very
responsive to my questions. One other point join the EAA or your local
equivalent. They are great source of information. I have progress
regularly inspected by our local advisor.
My father and I have been building for two years and are now into the
forward fuselage.
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/24/2002 11:42:50 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sebastian Heintz & ZAC bashing
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
>
>
> I spoke with Nick today, and he told me that although Sebastian had
> suffered a brain aneurysm, which can be very serious, his wasn't too
severe
> and is back today, just taking it easy.
>
> As for ZAC criticism, I can empathize with both sides. I know how hard
it
> is to do technical support well, especially to groups that have some
> members with strong personalities (egos) like doctors and pilots. (How
> would you like to be Nick day after day, given where their manuals and
> drawings used to be?) Living about 1 hour drive away, I've visited the
> plant many times, and they have always been as friendly and accommodating
> folks as you could ask for. They are also very busy every time I've been
> there, but not too busy to talk to me.
>
> On engine mounts, I had a problem with mine - the holes didn't match the
> pre-drilled holes on the firewall, and although the manual tells you to
be
> very careful to keep those centered when you install the engine mount
> brackets, you really need to wait to install those brackets until you can
> line them up with the mount you have. When I reported the problem, they
> had Zenair in Canada make me one that matched my holes. To be sure, a
guy
> from Zenair called me to verify the hole placement, and he was quite
> nice. The new one fit fine, and is a little better than the old one.
>
> On the other hand, it is very frustrating when things do go wrong in a
> project. There are many gaps in the manuals and drawings which could
have
> made things better, but nothing that hasn't come out ok in the end.
There
> have been times when I've questioned my choice, but heck, there have been
> times when I've questioned my sanity as well. It really helps to get
> plugged into some other builders for moral support during those times.
You
> don't have to live in a super active homebuilding area, either. I am
> equally in contact with builders across town as well as Alaska, Wyoming,
> Wisconsin, etc thanks to this medium. (Thanks guys!)
>
> Like any business, ZAC has to strike a balance between making a certain
> level of profit, hiring enough staff to provide a certain level of
support
> and quality, and having some competitive pricing. Would you go for price
> increases on your kits to cover a $60,000 plus benefits manual writer to
be
> brought on board? Perhaps some of us would, but that probably cuts out
> some potential trying to keep down costs. Always tradeoffs.
>
> Anyway, I hope everyone on this list and at ZAC have a great holiday!
>
> Gary Liming
> 801
>
>
>
>
>
--- Robert Rehmel
--- traveler601@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: ASI accuracy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
With my plane, I put a static port on each side of the fuselage forward of
the wings. This gives good readings at cruise speeds, but very poor
readings at slow speeds (20+ mph high at stall against GPS). I'm guessing
the airflow at high angles of attack is somewhat disconnecting off the
curvature of the bottom of the cowling; making the static ports ineffective.
If I vent the instruments to the cockpit, I get high readings at cruise
speeds, but reasonably accurate readings at slow speeds. Since slow speeds
are where the ASI is most important, that is how I left it for now.
I have considerred buying a combination pitot/static tube from ACS&S, but
haven't gotten to it yet.
I put 4.1 hours on yesterday; the plane is an absolute blast to fly. The
takeoff and climb performance is great, and it nice and solid for just
cruising. The 912 is smooth as well as being surprisingly fuel efficient.
I've got about 20 hours of flight time on it so far; I can't wait to fly off
the other 20 so I can break the leash and go somewhere. The plane is so
easy to fly and simple, 40 hours of flight test time is tremendous overkill.
Greg Ferris
N1095J
601HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rehmel" <traveler601@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ASI accuracy
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Rehmel"
<traveler601@earthlink.net>
>
>
> I am getting to the point were I am having to consider placement of the
> static port. I was thinking of putting in the same area as on a Piper 140
> or a Cessna 172, but I have read a few say they have them on the tail
> section. Do you get better readings if the static port is further aft
than
> up front?
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 12/30/2002 8:32:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ASI accuracy
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
> >
> > on 02/12/29 05:36, Richard McLachlan at richard@foxfield.demon.co.uk
> wrote:
> >
> > > The previous owner says that this is the cause of the
> > > problem, as the pressure in the cabin is significantly lower at speed,
> but I
> > > am
> > > not sure this is correct. As I am coming to the CH601 with a totally
> Cessna
> >
> > ... Due to the shape of the canopy, fuselage sides, etc.,, the localized
> > pressure inside the cockpit is obviously lower than ambient pressure,
> > resulting in an increased pressure differential between static and pitot
> --
> > so artificially fast readings on the gauge. This has been mentioned
> before
> > on the list (archives) and I imagine most builders now use an external
> > static source for more accurate readings.
> >
> > A GPS showing groundspeed could be a good safety device until you've
> > re-calibrated the system. Assuming you have some idea of the prevailing
> > wind, you will know what to expect from the groundspeed readout crossing
> the
> > threshold.
> > --
> > Grant Corriveau
> > Montreal
> > Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
> > C-GHTF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --- Robert Rehmel
> --- traveler601@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Pneumatic rivet puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Is there anyone out there with a pneumatic rivet puller they would sell for
reasonable price? Canadian would be better (exchange rate and getting it
across the border).
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Static Port Location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
In one of the Bingelis books, there are instructions to build one
yourself.
The static tube holes are with # 40 drill...
I built one some years ago.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Philip Polstra <ppolstra@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra"
> <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson"
> <steved@nc.rr.com>
>
> How about the pitot tubes that have a 2nd tube and a static port. Is
> anyone
> using those and having any success?
>
> I have this setup, which I bought from Aircraft Spruce. It works
> fine.
> ---
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Joseph,
Just read a little bellow this message...
There are instructions to UNSUBSCRIBE Yourself:
UN/SUBSCRIBE: http://www.matronics.com/subscription.
Glad to have you here, Happy New Year.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Joseph Hollars <jwhollars@click1.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joseph Hollars
> <jwhollars@click1.net>
>
> remove
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic rivet puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Dave Austin wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Is there anyone out there with a pneumatic rivet puller they would sell for
> reasonable price? Canadian would be better (exchange rate and getting it
> across the border).
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
Have you tried these guys?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=167
Pretty hard to beat at $29.
I bought one of these shear/brake/rollers from them when it was on sale
for $269. REAL handy if you're scratch building.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5907
Rick
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| Subject: | Perfect engine for your 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andy Smith <skyguy4you2001@yahoo.com>
I have a 164, 110hp engine I am selling. I started the
conversion by WW manual. It is assembled to having the
heads installed and torqued. The heads were redone by
Pine Street Automotive in Lodi, new valves, guides.
New pistons, bearing, wrist pins, balanced rods,
resleeved cylinders......all parts bought from Corvair
Underground. Have all the parts to finish assembly,
bell housing already cut, great project for someone to
finish. Also have parts for rear starter setup. I am
just looking to get my investment back. $$1300.00 plus
shipping.
David Mikesell
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
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| Subject: | Partial Kit For Sale 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don" <grandpanma@earthlink.net>
Hi List,
***** UPDATE *****
Still have my Partial Kit FOR SALE. $4995.00
*********** MUST SELL ************
Get a head start or add cheaply to what you already have.
My financial situation has changed and I can no longer afford to
continue building.
I started out building the 601HDS Rudder in the factory weekend
workshop, brought the "Tail kit" home with me. Finished the "Tail kit",
now was working on the "Wing kit".
I only finished the skeleton of one wing, that's where I stopped.
Must sell what I have.
Drawings & Manuals: (stays with kit) $340.00
Complete Tail Kit W/flush electric trim tab:(Finished) 1495.00
Wing & Aileron Kit: (finished skeleton of one wing) 4580.00
Leading Edge fuel tank kit: 875.00
Navigation/strobe light Kit: ** SOLD **
____________
Total: 7280.00
Have a few EXTRA parts I will include.
Will sell at a very reasonable price: ............... $4995.00
My E-mail Address is: grandpanma@earthlink.net
I live in Puckett, MS. That's about 25 miles south/east of Jackson, MS.
My phone No. 601-591-1589
Sincerely,
Donald Vough Jr.
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