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1. 02:27 AM - Re: Re: C series Continental mount (patrick)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Pneumatic rivet puller (David Barth)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Land on the ice - ARE YOU NUTS!! (Grant Corriveau)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Static Port Location (Grant Corriveau)
5. 07:29 AM - Zenith over a RV (Scott W. Hatten)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (RUSSELL JOHNSON)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Jeff Small)
8. 07:56 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Steve Smith)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Bill Steer)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Don Walker)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Don Walker)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Static Port Location (IslPilot@aol.com)
13. 12:31 PM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
14. 01:28 PM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Scott W. Hatten)
15. 02:10 PM - Hirth F30 in a CH701 anyone? (eulrich@escape.ca)
16. 02:50 PM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Philip Polstra)
17. 02:56 PM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Pinneo, George)
18. 08:21 PM - Re: Zenith over a RV (Dr. Perry Morrison)
19. 08:21 PM - corvair sold (Andy Smith)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: C series Continental mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "patrick" <patricklard@wanadoo.fr>
Hello,
I would like install an O-200 on my 601HD
if you can send to me (.pdf or other format) your sketches it will
be fantastic.
Thanks for your help and happy new year!!
Patrick 601hd
FRANCE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Mchugh" <e.mch@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: C series Continental mount
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Mchugh" <e.mch@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Grant
> I am going the same route as yourself ie build a jig .Could you confirm to
> nme what the engine downthrust and offset angles are for a 0-200 on a hds
> thanks in anticipation
> eric
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schemmel, Grant <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
> To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com' <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 05 December 2002 16:32
> Subject: Zenith-List: RE: C series Continental mount
>
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant"
> <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
> >
> >Time: 11:39:56 AM PST US
> >From: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
> >
> >Looking for following items for Zodiac 601
> >
> > 1.Engine mount for C series Continental engine or plans for
> building same.
> > 2. Canopy
> >
> >Any available?
> >
> >************************
> >
> >Greg,
> >
> >I have a welding jig I built up for mine, along with the initial sketches
I
> made to put it together. The jig was initially off laterally by about 3
> inches, resulting in the front flange of the engine being 3 inches off
from
> center. I had it cut off and re-welded correctly, and with the second
mount
> iteration, my o-200 fit perfectly.
> >
> >I could probably either send you my sketches or the jig if you're
> interested (jig for cost+shipping). Be aware though that the jig is
pretty
> heavy, as I made it out of plate steel and 1.5" angles.
> >
> >Contact me off-list if you are: grant.schemmel@aeroflex.com
> >
> >Grant Schemmel
> >Penrose, Colorado
> >N602GS - 601HDS w/ o-200, 32 hours and free to roam
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic rivet puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi dave. I have used Mark Townsends puller that he
got from Princess Auto. It works great and runs about
$100. FWIW.
David
--- Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin"
> <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Is there anyone out there with a pneumatic rivet
> puller they would sell for
> reasonable price? Canadian would be better
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Soob EA-82 SPFI
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| Subject: | Re: Land on the ice - ARE YOU NUTS!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 02/12/31 23:41, Bill Morelli at billvt@together.net wrote:
...
> The
> ice was smooth as silk and the HDS only got a bit squirrely on the roll out.
>
> So, there you have it, another first for me and my HDS.
>
> What a hoot!!!!!
>
Now that's a cool way to go ice fishing! The HDS makes a fine ski/water
plane even without skis or floats - - so long as we choose the season!!
Thanks Bill
--
Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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| Subject: | Re: Static Port Location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 02/12/31 11:49, Steve Danielson at steved@nc.rr.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
>
> How about the pitot tubes that have a 2nd tube and a static port. Is anyone
> using those and having any success?
>
> Steve
Yes, the simple unit from ACS. On the left wing just outboard of the fuel
tank so it's clear of prop wash. Get's good readings.
Grant Corriveau
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| Subject: | Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott W. Hatten" <ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
I know this question is one that has been deliberated time and time again. But
maybe someone
out there has some developed 'hard" reasons why.
Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis Vera!
Scott Hatten
Pataskala, Ohio
N6153K
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RUSSELL JOHNSON" <entec1@pld.com>
> I know this question is one that has been deliberated time and time again.
But maybe someone
> out there has some developed 'hard" reasons why.
>
> Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis
Vera!
>
> Scott Hatten
> Pataskala, Ohio
> N6153K
++++++++++++++++++
Total completion cost.
Simplicity of construction.
One person working alone can complete the majority of the airframe.
If you screw up a part, it can be fabricated from the plans.
Definitely the kit of choice for the first time builder.
Russell J.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis Vera!
Adding to what Russell put so well:
At a fly-in there might be a half dozen or more RV's. Show up in a Zodie
Rocket and the crowd heads your way. The a/c gets very positive crowd
reaction. Why? I think it's because most would-be builders realized that
this is one airplane they just might finish with the skills they possess.
Regards Jeff 22Tango
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Smith <steve.smith@erols.com>
...alternative engine choices...
RUSSELL JOHNSON wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RUSSELL JOHNSON" <entec1@pld.com>
>
>>I know this question is one that has been deliberated time and time again.
>>
>But maybe someone
>
>>out there has some developed 'hard" reasons why.
>>
>>Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis
>>
>Vera!
>
>>Scott Hatten
>>Pataskala, Ohio
>>N6153K
>>
>++++++++++++++++++
>
>Total completion cost.
>Simplicity of construction.
>One person working alone can complete the majority of the airframe.
>If you screw up a part, it can be fabricated from the plans.
>Definitely the kit of choice for the first time builder.
>
>Russell J.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
As a second-time builder (the first one was all wood), my reasons are
Simple construction
Docile handling
Cost
Relatively short build time
Use of blind rivets
Bill
>
> Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis Vera!
>
> Scott Hatten
> Pataskala, Ohio
> N6153K
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
I really love my HDS TD, now with 270 hours. Had a ball yesterday. But I
would really rather have an RV-6. However, I built mine without HELP. It can
really be a one man job. I didn't want to buck rivets forever. Plus my
Stratus only burns around 3 1/2 gph cruising easy. The HDS is a quicker
build, Economical to fly and maintain, and is good for shorter fields. The
only reason I think RV is to travel at 170 or 180 cross country. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott W. Hatten" <ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith over a RV
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott W. Hatten"
<ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
>
> I know this question is one that has been deliberated time and time again.
But maybe someone
> out there has some developed 'hard" reasons why.
>
> Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis
Vera!
>
> Scott Hatten
> Pataskala, Ohio
> N6153K
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
And to add to what Jeff put so well, Crowds love the LOOKS of the Zodie,
especially in the tail dragger configuration. They are all over it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith over a RV
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
> >Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis
Vera!
>
> Adding to what Russell put so well:
>
> At a fly-in there might be a half dozen or more RV's. Show up in a Zodie
> Rocket and the crowd heads your way. The a/c gets very positive crowd
> reaction. Why? I think it's because most would-be builders realized that
> this is one airplane they just might finish with the skills they possess.
>
> Regards Jeff 22Tango
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Port Location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: IslPilot@aol.com
I built a Monerai Sailplane some years ago and Monnet had us use pop rivets,
with the center stem removed expoxied in place for the dual static ports in
the tail. Worked fine.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
I was very liberal with the delete key on this thread so excuse me if I say
something that someone else has seed. I have built an RV and been around
and flown a 701. Two totally different aircraft with two totally different
flying styles. The RV's and the ZAC products can and are completed by first
time builders every day. You just have to put your mind to it (and your
hands!) Differences are everything, design, materials (2024 t3 or 6060 t6)
fasteners, engine selection. One gets it's roots and most sale from
military the other from the sport plane movement. Both are great at what
they are intended to do FLY. Just look at your beget and time. For
instance I just ran a quote for a CH601XL great panel, night cross-country,
easy paint scheme, lots of extras, flying for $64K The RV-8A in the shop
now with the same panel will be $90K with a certified 200hp fully aerobatic
inverted systems, constant speed prop. Which one is for you? I guarantee
that the one you pick and complete and fly will be the one that is right for
you! The building process is great and really forms a bond between you and
the aircraft. My advice, build the one that you can afford to get in the
air, and then fly it allot.
Noel and Yoshie Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
"We do builder assistance!"
Toll Free: 866-859-0390
info@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:info@blueskyaviation.net>
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott W. Hatten" <ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
Thanks for the oponion. Although I'm still not clear if I even want to
tackle the project. I have 1 friend who is building a RV8..and another who
is building a 9a..so I can get my fair share of time bucking rivots..any
time i want.
I just wanted to see other peoples oponions. Thanks for yours...Too bad
your so far awya from Ohio..or I would stop by.
Scott Hatten
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith over a RV
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
>
>
> I was very liberal with the delete key on this thread so excuse me if I
say
> something that someone else has seed. I have built an RV and been around
> and flown a 701. Two totally different aircraft with two totally
different
> flying styles. The RV's and the ZAC products can and are completed by
first
> time builders every day. You just have to put your mind to it (and your
> hands!) Differences are everything, design, materials (2024 t3 or 6060
t6)
> fasteners, engine selection. One gets it's roots and most sale from
> military the other from the sport plane movement. Both are great at what
> they are intended to do FLY. Just look at your beget and time. For
> instance I just ran a quote for a CH601XL great panel, night
cross-country,
> easy paint scheme, lots of extras, flying for $64K The RV-8A in the shop
> now with the same panel will be $90K with a certified 200hp fully
aerobatic
> inverted systems, constant speed prop. Which one is for you? I guarantee
> that the one you pick and complete and fly will be the one that is right
for
> you! The building process is great and really forms a bond between you
and
> the aircraft. My advice, build the one that you can afford to get in the
> air, and then fly it allot.
>
> Noel and Yoshie Simmons
> Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
> "We do builder assistance!"
> Toll Free: 866-859-0390
> info@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:info@blueskyaviation.net>
> www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hirth F30 in a CH701 anyone? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: eulrich@escape.ca
I'm interested to hear if anyone has any first-hand experience with the
Hirth F30 in a CH701? Apart from the fuel consumption being a little higher
then I'd like, the stats on this engine appear to be quite impressive....
Thanks!
Ed Ulrich
Winnipeg, Cananda
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| Subject: | Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
The Zenith has a higher payload, better fuel economy, considerably cheaper,
and is quicker to build. The RV costs more, doesn't carry as much, but is
25% faster.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott W. Hatten"
<ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
>Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis Vera!
---
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| Subject: | Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
Sounds good to me; you left out how much more fun to fly than a Cessna or Piper
is!
Do not Archive
GGP
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Polstra [mailto:ppolstra@mindspring.com]
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith over a RV
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
The Zenith has a higher payload, better fuel economy, considerably cheaper,
and is quicker to build. The RV costs more, doesn't carry as much, but is
25% faster.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott W. Hatten"
<ScottHatten@columbus.rr.com>
>Why would you chose the Zenith over the RV series of Aircraft? Or Vis Vera!
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith over a RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <prm@softhome.net>
I bought a HD a year ago and have about 90 hrs on it.
A friend is building an RV-6. I have only had about 20 mins
stick time on RVs and maybe another 20 on Lancairs. So
that's my limited context. I'm no builder, so my comments
won't wander into that domain...
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel & Yoshie Simmons <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith over a RV
> instance I just ran a quote for a CH601XL great panel, night
cross-country,
> easy paint scheme, lots of extras, flying for $64K The RV-8A in the shop
> now with the same panel will be $90K with a certified 200hp fully
aerobatic
> inverted systems, constant speed prop.
Wow, that seems a lot for an XL. I always thought a major part of the cost
difference was the engine choices. Even a new 912 is about half the price
of a new O-360 (here in Oz). A subaru even less. I always believed it was
possible to
build a 601 for half the price of an RV. Part of that reason is the engine
and
part is the avionics people put into a 6 to make them IFR and usable in
the X-country role. Why have an RV-6 that's purely local VFR burning
32-36 litres an hr? Great if money's no object.
> Which one is for you? I guarantee
> that the one you pick and complete and fly will be the one that is right
for
> you! The building process is great and really forms a bond between you
and
> the aircraft. My advice, build the one that you can afford to get in the
> air, and then fly it allot.
True. A good analysis is to look at the flying we actually do. I do some
long
trips in which the HD is a bit of a pain but still fun. Most of my flying is
short
and local to new places. Last weekend I flew to "wildman river" near Darwin.
Very short grass strip. Took 10 mins of stooging around to find it (a
GPS-less
challenge day) but at 15 litres an hr who cares? I was VERY glad to have
the HD to get off from that strip.
If I did regular 500nm business trips the RV would be the go. Fast IFR would
be needed. But using it as a local VFR cruiser would be a waste.
In short, if everyone had the money then I think most of us would get an RV.
Fast, maneuverable, with range and lovely to fly.
Heck, if money was no issue I'd get an F-15 and part of Edwards AFB to
park it on. But money is an issue for most of us.
In that context, an RV is great if you can afford it and cost effective if
you
use it for lots of long trips. A 601 can be much cheaper to build (in Oz,
the 2nd hand 601s with 912 or subaru are almost exactly half the price of an
RV-6 2nd hand- I assume these relativities hold in the US?) They are great
planes for the occasional big trip and lots of shorter, weekend flying- the
kind
of thing most of us do.
Like I said, if money was no issue I'd tie up capital in an RV and do what
I liked with it (including nothing). But money is an issue and I can't
justify
that investment and running cost. Best of all, I don't wince when I hit the
starter and if part of the engine broke I would not be calling the bank
manager or looking at the kids' school fees!
Perhaps the US scene is very different from here with more reconditioned
engines etc but in Australia a 601 is basically a half priced RV-6.
My RV-6 builder friend and I calculated the costs of the 2 a/c and found
that (using local cost stimates) he would be slightly ahead at the 1500 hr
mark
if he used his 6 only for long distance flights but every hour he just
"toodled around" would put him behind me in total cost. I think that most
people tend to "toodle" (to toodle or not to toodle- that is the question!)
and hence I think I think I am ahead. This would be especially true if
something happened to break on his Lycoming.
But, different strokes for different bank accounts I suppose...
Perry Morrison
>
> Noel and Yoshie Simmons
> Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
> "We do builder assistance!"
> Toll Free: 866-859-0390
> info@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:info@blueskyaviation.net>
> www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andy Smith <skyguy4you2001@yahoo.com>
Sorry guys the engine is sold
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