---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/07/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - editing for brevity (Jeff Small) 2. 11:25 AM - Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells (Steve Danielson) 3. 11:46 AM - Re: editing for brevity (Matthew Mucker) 4. 12:03 PM - Re: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells (James J. Cullen, Ph.D.) 5. 02:48 PM - Re: Homebuilders list (Gary Gower) 6. 03:01 PM - Re: Fuel center tank on 601hd (Gary Gower) 7. 03:15 PM - Re: Homebuilders list (Matthew Mucker) 8. 05:21 PM - Re: editing for brevity (working idea?) (Gary Gower) 9. 05:37 PM - Re: 912 cooling elbow (Gary Gower) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells (Al Young) 11. 09:04 PM - Re: 912 cooling elbow (Greg Ferris) 12. 09:31 PM - Re: Homebuilders list (Graham Byass) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:47 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: editing for brevity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" Carlos, > May all list replies have the irrelevant parts of the original text deleted; Wanted to tell you how much your New Year Wishes were enjoyed, especially the above. Unfortunately it and several other "please do's" of the list administrator are ignored by some of our members. While the list is a valuable resource, brevity of comment and response will assist all. If the list is treated as a "chat' list, the archives grow so unwieldy that they soon become frustrating; thus leading to what long-time members recognize as oft-repeated questions. "How many rivets?" "Which engine is the best?" "Can one pull fuel uphill?" .and the classic, "How do you remove labels?" It becomes difficult to fault common questions from a new builder who is faced with the task of reading through hundreds of posts on on a topic - many of which contain the same original post over and over. He has better uses of his time than to spend it pouring through unrelated tangents that crop up. Likewise it is difficult to fault the finished and flying builder, the very source of much of the "been there, done that" info, for growing less responsive to questions and possibly leaving the list entirely. When that happens the knowledge of that core group is diminished. This list formerly had accomplished builders who responded with knowledgeable, witty, well-written responses. I miss Mike's "Cheers", Bernie's flying stories, Claude's 701 building creativity. His flying through France fueled by wine and cheese stories were super. The next time the list administrator sends out the list guidelines, please take a moment to read them. Don't feel the need to respond to every post. Ask if this is of interest to the majority of listers. If you think someone's post was wonderful - tell them off-list. Edit original posts to bare, important facts. And if the post won't be important to a dozen listers a year from now - attach "do not archive" to it. Regards Jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:54 AM PST US From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" The back of the tail light assembly that ZAC sells has two tabs coming out of the back, and a screw threaded through each one, presumably to attach a wire here. Questions: What's the best way to hook up to this? A ring terminal on the end of the wire and then screw the ring terminal to the tab? Add locktite to the screw? Seems like it could vibrate off. Also, there does not seem to be any indication of which tab is positive & negative. From my basic understanding of a light bulb, you pass current through a filament, so having a specific + and - is not important? Thanks Steve ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:41 AM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: editing for brevity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" Gee, that sounds like a call for a Zenith-FAQ. Anyone interested in becoming editor? do not archive. > > If the list is treated as a "chat' list, the archives grow so > unwieldy that they soon become frustrating; thus leading to what > long-time members recognize as oft-repeated questions. > > "How many rivets?" > > "Which engine is the best?" > > "Can one pull fuel uphill?" > > .and the classic, "How do you remove labels?" > > It becomes difficult to fault common questions from a new builder > who is faced with the task of reading through hundreds of posts > on on a topic - many of which contain the same original post over > and over. He has better uses of his time than to spend it > pouring through unrelated tangents that crop up. > > The next time the list administrator sends out the list > guidelines, please take a moment to read them. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:17 PM PST US From: "James J. Cullen, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells --> Zenith-List message posted by: "James J. Cullen, Ph.D." Hi Steve: That's how I did it. Use the "semi-permanent" Loctite and crimp the connection -- don't solder it -- soldered connections are stiffer than crimped ones and are more subject to damage by vibration. I wouldn't worry too much about vibration on the rudder -- if there's enough to vibrate out a Loctite'd screw, you've got far worse problems elsewhere. And yes, a lightbulb has no polarity -- you can hook up either wire to ground and power. Tailwinds, Jim . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" > > The back of the tail light assembly that ZAC sells has two tabs coming out > of the back, and a screw threaded through each one, presumably to attach a > wire here. > > Questions: > > What's the best way to hook up to this? A ring terminal on the end of the > wire and then screw the ring terminal to the tab? Add locktite to the screw? > Seems like it could vibrate off. > > Also, there does not seem to be any indication of which tab is positive & > negative. From my basic understanding of a light bulb, you pass current > through a filament, so having a specific + and - is not important? > > Thanks > > Steve > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:41 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Homebuilders list --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I tried a few days ago, but as a builder from another country, cannot complete the format. Hope soon a worldwide data base is available. Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. --- Lowell Metz wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Lowell Metz > > > Ok all of you builders out there..... I have been checking Matthew > Muckers > list and the growth has stopped. He has put a lot of time and > thought into > making something useful because we asked for it. Go to > www.matthewmucker.com click on the homebuilder box and add yourself > to the > list so we can hunt you down and see what you are actually doing with > aluminum. > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:13 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel center tank on 601hd --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Patrick, It will not work as a "weight" for a heavier engine, because the amount of gasoline will be less while engine is running, when landing the plane will be nose heavy... Weight for a heavy engine (if necesary) has to be lead or iron. In my opinion is better to modify the engine mount to compensate for weight when possible, this way the plane will be lighter (engine weight + rear weight = greater empty weight of the plane = less usefull weight (pilot, passenger and luggage) Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower --- patrick wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "patrick" > > Because,I beleve is more easy to do one tank instead of two > and I would like install an O-235 or O-200 engine, I am afraid to get > a > CG too forward > My first idea is wings tanks, I think is better too but I just want > to get > your opinion about this configuration. > > Thanks for your reply > Bye, > Patrick 601HD > FRANCE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel center tank on 601hd > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Pwalsh4539@aol.com > > > > Not in my opinion...the center of gravity would be too far > aft...why would > > you want to do this?...Just curious to know > > Patrick Walsh > > 601HD with one BIG header tank (kinda wish I had wing tanks) > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:49 PM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Homebuilders list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" I'd love to make a worldwide database available! However, my site calculates distance between two points based on latitude and longitude. In order to calculate distance from a person's postal code to either another postal code or an airport, I need lat/lon data for said postal codes and airports. I was able to find lat/lon data for United States postal codes (ZIP codes) and airports. I haven't found such data for other countries. If anyone can forward to me a source for such data, I'll gladly update the homebuilders directory with that information. -Matt do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > I tried a few days ago, but as a builder from another country, cannot > complete the format. > > Hope soon a worldwide data base is available. > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Lowell Metz > > > > > > Ok all of you builders out there..... I have been checking Matthew > > Muckers > > list and the growth has stopped. He has put a lot of time and > > thought into > > making something useful because we asked for it. Go to > > www.matthewmucker.com click on the homebuilder box and add yourself > > to the > > list so we can hunt you down and see what you are actually doing with > > aluminum. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:24 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: editing for brevity (working idea?) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Mat, Here in our Chapter/Club, after years of 1,000's of "things to do" in our Aerodromes Club, that were reapeated in every monthly meeting forever... we all decided to make a very easy law: "The member that says what is needed to do, becomes the direct resposible of getting the job done..." ;-) :-) :-) Maybe could work here in our list. It has become a lots of fun in our monthy meetings, and this way we WON in two ways: 1.- What ever is done is highly appreciated by all the membership (because they work on the tasks). 2.- "Everything in the Club is now perfect" for the Guys that never work... but always come with the "you have to do this" comment in every meeting. :-) :-) :-) OF COURSE Nothing personal to you! Your work with the airport directory is GREATLY APPRECIATED AND ADMIRED by all of us, just this came as a "flash" to my memory when I saw your post. I think, could also work in everyones local Chapter or Flying Club. The Directors Members of your Club will appreciate this idea of course... Best Wishes to all this 2003... Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- Matthew Mucker wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" > > > Gee, that sounds like a call for a Zenith-FAQ. > > Anyone interested in becoming editor? > > do not archive. > > > > > If the list is treated as a "chat' list, the archives grow so > > unwieldy that they soon become frustrating; thus leading to what > > long-time members recognize as oft-repeated questions. > > > > "How many rivets?" > > > > "Which engine is the best?" > > > > "Can one pull fuel uphill?" > > > > .and the classic, "How do you remove labels?" > > > > It becomes difficult to fault common questions from a new builder > > who is faced with the task of reading through hundreds of posts > > on on a topic - many of which contain the same original post over > > and over. He has better uses of his time than to spend it > > pouring through unrelated tangents that crop up. > > > > The next time the list administrator sends out the list > > guidelines, please take a moment to read them. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:06 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 cooling elbow --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Greg, I think you learned the hard way... Sorry you didnt knew in time about he torch process. This is something great about the e-lists. Saludos Gary Gower --- Greg Ferris wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" > > I had that problem too. Those fittings are threaded (pipe threads) > into > casting with a thread sealant. If you just rotate them, they will > leak. > Mine were stuck in hard enough that I had to ruin them to get them > out > (there's no hex or anything to get a wrench on, so I had to use > pliers which > chewed them up). I bought new ones and found that I couldn't get > them in. > The problem was dried thread sealant. I had to scrub at the threads > of the > casting with a brush and acetone to clean-out the threads. > > The other option is to remove the casting and send it to Lockwood. > If you > mark where you want the fittings positioned, they will remove the old > ones > and install new ones. This may not be too bad of an option when you > figure > the cost of the thread sealant and time involved. > > Greg Ferris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Croke" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: 912 cooling elbow > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > > > Hello, > > > > I purchased a used 912 from one of the major vendors, and noticed > that as > I > > prepare for the install on the 701 mount, 2 of the cooling elbow > nipples > are > > positioned such that they will interfere with the engine mount. > > > > My question: can these nipple elbows be repositioned (rotated) to > correct > > my problem? I assume that I dont want to just grap them with plyers > and > > rotate! > > > > Thanks > > > > Jon > > Green Bay, Wi > > > > > > www.joncroke.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:00 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best way to connect wire to tail light assembly ZAC sells --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Steve- I hust finished my nav lite on the back of the rudder. Just feed two wires thru the grommet to the fixture. Put a couple of ring terminals on the two wires and hook them up with the screws provided. One wire needs to be long enough to reach the inst panel and the other needs to be long enough to ground to the fuselage somewhere. I may add a couple of quick disconnects to these wires later when I install the rudder. Al Young. Starting the second wing 601XL. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:30 PM PST US From: "Greg Ferris" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 cooling elbow --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" Funny thing about that was that I called Lockwood when I first encountered the problem, and they didn't suggest heating the elbows to turn them. Maybe they wanted to sell me a couple of elbows. My guess is that replacing the elbows is one of those "better" ways to do it, that really doesn't make a real difference in practice. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 cooling elbow > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Greg, > > I think you learned the hard way... Sorry you didnt knew in time about > he torch process. > > This is something great about the e-lists. > > Saludos > Gary Gower > > --- Greg Ferris wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" > > > > I had that problem too. Those fittings are threaded (pipe threads) > > into > > casting with a thread sealant. If you just rotate them, they will > > leak. > > Mine were stuck in hard enough that I had to ruin them to get them > > out > > (there's no hex or anything to get a wrench on, so I had to use > > pliers which > > chewed them up). I bought new ones and found that I couldn't get > > them in. > > The problem was dried thread sealant. I had to scrub at the threads > > of the > > casting with a brush and acetone to clean-out the threads. > > > > The other option is to remove the casting and send it to Lockwood. > > If you > > mark where you want the fittings positioned, they will remove the old > > ones > > and install new ones. This may not be too bad of an option when you > > figure > > the cost of the thread sealant and time involved. > > > > Greg Ferris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Croke" > > To: > > Subject: Zenith-List: 912 cooling elbow > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I purchased a used 912 from one of the major vendors, and noticed > > that as > > I > > > prepare for the install on the 701 mount, 2 of the cooling elbow > > nipples > > are > > > positioned such that they will interfere with the engine mount. > > > > > > My question: can these nipple elbows be repositioned (rotated) to > > correct > > > my problem? I assume that I dont want to just grap them with plyers > > and > > > rotate! > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Jon > > > Green Bay, Wi > > > > > > > > > www.joncroke.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:53 PM PST US From: "Graham Byass" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Homebuilders list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Byass" Matthew Just a suggestion ... if a builder is overseas then surely the distance criteria is not a factor. Maybe an extra data input marked "Foreign" or "Overseas" and provision for inserting the country would suffice. I am not aware of how difficult this would be to implement but it is an idea!!! I am in Australia and it would be handy for me to know who else in the country is building. Graham Byass Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Mucker Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Homebuilders list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" I'd love to make a worldwide database available! However, my site calculates distance between two points based on latitude and longitude. In order to calculate distance from a person's postal code to either another postal code or an airport, I need lat/lon data for said postal codes and airports. I was able to find lat/lon data for United States postal codes (ZIP codes) and airports. I haven't found such data for other countries. If anyone can forward to me a source for such data, I'll gladly update the homebuilders directory with that information. -Matt do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > I tried a few days ago, but as a builder from another country, cannot > complete the format. > > Hope soon a worldwide data base is available. > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Lowell Metz > > > > > > Ok all of you builders out there..... I have been checking Matthew > > Muckers > > list and the growth has stopped. He has put a lot of time and > > thought into > > making something useful because we asked for it. Go to > > www.matthewmucker.com click on the homebuilder box and add yourself > > to the > > list so we can hunt you down and see what you are actually doing with > > aluminum. > >