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1. 04:32 AM - Re: No Elevator Counter Weight? (Grant Corriveau)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: No Elevator Counter Weight? (Alexander Birca (RMD))
3. 06:38 AM - Re: No Elevator Counter Weight? (Bryan Martin)
4. 08:59 AM - Wire/hose routing (wizard-24@juno.com)
5. 10:04 AM - 701 Plans building? (Monty Graves)
6. 10:43 AM - Re: Wire/hose routing (Michel Therrien)
7. 10:50 AM - Still have 601 and XL tail and more for sale (Todd Osborne)
8. 11:20 AM - maint. (alex trent)
9. 01:48 PM - Re: Wire/hose routing (Larry C. McFarland)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: maint. (Larry C. McFarland)
11. 02:29 PM - firewall holes and mounts (Larry C. McFarland)
12. 02:51 PM - Fast help (CLOJAN@aol.com)
13. 05:25 PM - Re: maint. (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
14. 05:27 PM - EAA Technical Advisor Program (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
15. 07:13 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Larry C. McFarland)
16. 07:26 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Cy Galley)
17. 08:35 PM - First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
18. 09:01 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Ed)
19. 09:15 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
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| Subject: | Re: No Elevator Counter Weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/13 12:08, Philip Polstra at ppolstra@mindspring.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
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> Some planes have counter weights. But they aren't going to be balanced on
> the ground, only in the air.
Counterweights in an elevator, aileron or stabilizer are usually to give the
unit stable characteristics in the air so as to avoid flutter problems. If
they aren't required - so much the better I suppose.
--
Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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| Subject: | No Elevator Counter Weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" <Alexander.Birca@rmd.ericsson.se>
You are totally right, Grant, they are to avoid flatter problems.
For the low speed planes they are not so important.
Of course, if the plane is designed right.
BR,
Alex Birca
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/13 12:08, Philip Polstra at ppolstra@mindspring.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
>
> Some planes have counter weights. But they aren't going to be balanced on
> the ground, only in the air.
Counterweights in an elevator, aileron or stabilizer are usually to give the
unit stable characteristics in the air so as to avoid flutter problems. If
they aren't required - so much the better I suppose.
--
Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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| Subject: | No Elevator Counter Weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W. R.
Giacona
I'm new to building but I'm almost sure that all the other planes I've flown
had some sort of counter balance to have it in a neutral position when just
sitting there.
I know that on every cessna I've ever flown, the only thing that holds the
elevator in position on the ground is the control lock. If you take it out
the elevator drop to full down position. The control lock does'nt even hold
it in the neutral position, it holds it in a slightly down position to
reduce the chance of strong winds lifting the tail and trying to flip the
plane over on the ground. This is probably common to most small aircraft but
I don't have much experience with other brands so I can't say for sure.
Bryan Martin.
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| Subject: | Wire/hose routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Haven't heard from ZAC yet on a tech support question, so thought I'd try
here....any builder decide to drill a hole(s) in the center spar to route
wires/brake lines/pitot static lines/etc? Not sure if it's permissible to
drill into the spar or not.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | 701 Plans building? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
I have been plans building a 701 for sometime. My wife says toooo long.
And I am Trying to finish the wings sometime before the end of Feb.
Building the stab ribs and wing spars now.
Anyway I am emailing out pictures and updates periodically. If anyone on
the list would like to receive them (got to make use of that new digital
camera) and pass along their own updates back. Please contact me OFF LIST
with your email address.
This would be similar to what Randy Thwing was doing a year or so ago for
those that were recieving Randy's updates.
Very informal, Just a way to motivate myself and hopefully others, and a
way to share specific PLANS BUILT 701 problems solutions, BUT MAINLY TO
SHARE pictures.
Monty Graves
mgraves@usmo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wire/hose routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Chris Heintz once wrote in the newsletter that we can
drill holes in the spar as long as they are at "x"
inches from the bottom doubler and of less than "y" in
size.
I don't remember the values.
Michel
--- wizard-24@juno.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> Haven't heard from ZAC yet on a tech support
> question, so thought I'd try
> here....any builder decide to drill a hole(s) in the
> center spar to route
> wires/brake lines/pitot static lines/etc? Not sure
> if it's permissible to
> drill into the spar or not.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Still have 601 and XL tail and more for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
Just a quick note to anyone interested in building a
601HDS(s) or 601XL. Because of my divorce I am selling
what I have so far. To total investment I have in this is
$2750 and I am willing to take $1800 for it. I am located
in Cross Plains, Wisconsin, which is 10 miles west of
Madison. Full details can be found on my web site at
http://www.toddtown.com/index.php?pageID=todd/hobbies/aviation
What I have are as follows:
Horizontal stabilizer (Complete)
Elevator with Electric Trim (Complete)
Rudder (Complete)
All parts to build the flags and ailerons (not started)
601XL Plans and Construction Manual
601HDS Plans and Construction Manual
Several years worth of newsletters
Cleeco's and Pliers
Many A4 and A5 Avex rivets
Misc tools purchased for the building of the plane
I am not interested in selling just the tools or rivets,
but may consider selling off other individual parts.
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: toddosborne@charter.net
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
I would like to remove the wings from my 601 and bring it home ,to a nice
heated garage ,to do
some brake work
It is just a bit chilly to be working in the hanger. (today 19 F) How does this
effect things? Will this
necessitate an inspection when they are replaced ?
alex
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| Subject: | Re: Wire/hose routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Mike,
Holes in the spars are very probably allright if placed at neutral vertical
center
and don't exceed 1/2" for grommets, ... better if they were held to 3/8" or
less, not more
than one every 4 feet and carefully deburred. You have a thinner spar
section in the XL
so I'd verify this with Nick first.
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
----- Original Message -----
From: <wizard-24@juno.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Wire/hose routing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> Haven't heard from ZAC yet on a tech support question, so thought I'd try
> here....any builder decide to drill a hole(s) in the center spar to route
> wires/brake lines/pitot static lines/etc? Not sure if it's permissible to
> drill into the spar or not.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Alex,
Presuming you're the builder, (or not!)
there shouldn't be any need for "inspectors".
You should record your work in the mantenance log
for consistency and annotate things you find useful
to the process for the next owner one day.
Look closer at the parts that you normally can't see
and do your own careful inspection.
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex trent" <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: maint.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>
>
> I would like to remove the wings from my 601 and bring it home ,to
a nice heated garage ,to do
> some brake work
> It is just a bit chilly to be working in the hanger. (today 19 F) How does
this effect things? Will this
> necessitate an inspection when they are replaced ?
> alex
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| Subject: | firewall holes and mounts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
601/Stratus Subaru builders,
There's a time when one has to put a few grommets
for cable and mounts for fuel pumps and gascolator on the firewall,
preferably before the opportunity to hang the engine.
Does anyone have hindsight-recommendations for approximate placement
of these items when you have a Stratus Subaru with muffler?
Appreciate any advice as your experience always prove to be better,
Larry McFarland - 601hds (inching forward)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
Hello Folks: Working on the elevator I noticed that there is no instructions
in the manual on installing the elevator trim-just the drawings. I was
somewhat confused (normal state) so I sent a question to ZAC. Had my answer
back within a few hours. If this is the kind of help I can expect from ZAC,
then this process is going to be a piece of cake .
Jack Russell
XL Ser 5000
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Alex,
>Presuming you're the builder, (or not!)
>there shouldn't be any need for "inspectors".
>You should record your work in the mantenance log
>for consistency and annotate things you find useful
>to the process for the next owner one day.
>Look closer at the parts that you normally can't see
>and do your own careful inspection.
>Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
>
I believe it is only true that an inspector would not be needed only
if the proper paperwork was filed with the FAA to be certified to
perform the annual inspection on the specific aircraft that you built.
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
I'm having difficulty arranging an inspection with the local
Technical Advisor prior to closing up the stabilizer. I realize that
participation in the Technical Advisor and Flight Advisor programs is
required to qualify for the insurance program that is partnered with
EAA. However, I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on the
next phase. Are there viable and affordable alternatives to the EAA
insurance program?
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ray,
I don't think it's necessary to preinspect before every closing.
You'll wear the guy out. You feel confident of your work, and
your digital pictures say a lot about you're progress and workmanship.
I'd go ahead and close. I've only had one inspection, one well
after finishing the tail feathers at a point of putting nose skins
on the wings. All's went well from there. Two more to go.
The Europeans and perhaps the Canadians have more stringent rules
about closing things up before inspection tho.
Your work looks really fine from here.
I've no ideas for alternatives to the insurance discounts.
Good luck,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>
> I'm having difficulty arranging an inspection with the local
> Technical Advisor prior to closing up the stabilizer. I realize that
> participation in the Technical Advisor and Flight Advisor programs is
> required to qualify for the insurance program that is partnered with
> EAA. However, I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
> inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on the
> next phase. Are there viable and affordable alternatives to the EAA
> insurance program?
> --
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
>
> Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
> Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I don't think that the Tech Counselor inspections have a rigid time
schedule. One month is as good and another. Just don't try to get the
required number in one month or a week. You can consult any EAA magazine and
call the free info number. Ask for Jan Streblow. She can tell you both the
details, locations of other TCs, Transition Training . and Flight advisors.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>
> I'm having difficulty arranging an inspection with the local
> Technical Advisor prior to closing up the stabilizer. I realize that
> participation in the Technical Advisor and Flight Advisor programs is
> required to qualify for the insurance program that is partnered with
> EAA. However, I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
> inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on the
> next phase. Are there viable and affordable alternatives to the EAA
> insurance program?
> --
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
>
> Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
> Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
>
>
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| Subject: | First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Guys,
First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning around 8:45
AM. She lifted off smoothly at about 70 mph, accelerated like a scalded dog,
and climbed to 5000 feet over the airport area where I conducted my tests. All
the anxiety melted away when she left the ground,... Zodie feels THAT GOOD guys!
The Jabiru 3000 is awesome! The plane climbs like a homesick angel and is
silky smooth and quiet. After about 40 minutes of wondrous flight and testing,
I descended and landed. We had secured a video camera at eye level on the baggage
shelf, looking forward at the instrument panel and view outside. After
the flight, we watched the tape. All looked great during my check list and run-up,
but the camera quit just as I rolled on to the runway for take-off... shucks.
What an airplane! Smooth, easy to fly, awesome capability, and incredibly fun
to fly. I agree with those that have said it makes a Cessna feel like a big truck
by comparison! You guys out there that are building for this moment... Keep
at it, never loose sight of this moment to come. The reward on your first flight
is ENORMOUS!!
Huge thanks to all of you that have encouraged me, shared your ideas and pictures,
and been so generous with your valuable advice.
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
Congratulations Fred...I was begining to wonder when we would hear from you.
Bet you're still grinning.
Ed. (447WB)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
>
>Guys,
>
>First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning
>around 8:45 AM. She lifted off smoothly at about 70 mph,
>accelerated like a scalded dog, and climbed to 5000 feet over the
>airport area where I conducted my tests. All the anxiety melted away
>when she left the ground,... Zodie feels THAT GOOD guys! The Jabiru
>3000 is awesome! The plane climbs like a homesick angel and is silky
>smooth and quiet. After about 40 minutes of wondrous flight and
>testing, I descended and landed. We had secured a video camera at
>eye level on the baggage shelf, looking forward at the instrument
>panel and view outside. After the flight, we watched the tape. All
>looked great during my check list and run-up, but the camera quit
>just as I rolled on to the runway for take-off... shucks.
>
>What an airplane! Smooth, easy to fly, awesome capability, and
>incredibly fun to fly. I agree with those that have said it makes a
>Cessna feel like a big truck by comparison! You guys out there that
>are building for this moment... Keep at it, never loose sight of
>this moment to come. The reward on your first flight is ENORMOUS!!
>
>Huge thanks to all of you that have encouraged me, shared your ideas
>and pictures, and been so generous with your valuable advice.
>
>Fred Hulen
Congratulations Fred and thanks for the encouraging remarks for those
of us who come after you!
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
--
Best regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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