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1. 03:22 AM - Way To Go (dave)
2. 04:28 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Grant Corriveau)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Al Young)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Weston, Jim)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Weston, Jim)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (IslPilot@aol.com)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Doon47@aol.com)
8. 08:08 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Pinneo, George)
9. 08:46 AM - New books for Homebuilders (sonja.englert@juno.com)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (wizard-24@juno.com)
11. 10:16 AM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (wizard-24@juno.com)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Michael Stempf)
13. 11:12 AM - Congraatulatons (Phil Owens)
14. 11:31 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (John Mireley)
15. 11:56 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Hal Rozema)
16. 11:58 AM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Michael Stempf)
17. 01:50 PM - Freddie's first flight (Jeff Small)
18. 02:21 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Peter Dunning)
19. 02:35 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (David Tellet)
20. 03:11 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Mark Stauffer)
21. 03:17 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Kyle Boatright)
22. 04:12 PM - Zenith 701 top skin? (Johann G.)
23. 04:34 PM - 701 fuselage top skin? (JGJ)
24. 05:14 PM - ch-601 remarkable cruise speeds of 142mph+ (SKYSHOP)
25. 05:30 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
26. 06:03 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Larry C. McFarland)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Cy Galley)
28. 06:25 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
29. 06:33 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
30. 06:42 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (Kyle Boatright)
31. 06:45 PM - Re: ch-601 remarkable cruise speeds of 142mph+ (prm@softhome.net)
32. 07:21 PM - Re:First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Brenton Battles)
33. 07:23 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Bill Morelli)
34. 07:35 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (mark.townsend)
35. 08:11 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
36. 08:13 PM - insurance (Jeff Small)
37. 08:32 PM - Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX (Leo Gates)
38. 08:34 PM - Re: insurance (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
39. 09:09 PM - Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program (CLOJAN@aol.com)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@netbase.net>
Way to go Fred.........
Congratulations,,,,,,,,,
dave@netbase.net
0235 XL, waiting for conditions to clear to test fly
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/14 23:39, Fred or Sandy Hulen at hulens61@birch.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
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> Guys,
>
> First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning around
> 8:45 AM.
Well done Fred! Judging from the photos I've seen, your aircraft is an
inspiring example of what a 'Zodie' can be. Just excellent work!
Grant Corriveau
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Ray- I waited until I was ready to close the first wing to get everything
inspected. As long as you have photos of the parts before closing, you wont
have a problem. I would suggest you close it and get on to the next part.
Al Young XL builder.
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| Subject: | First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Great Job Fred. It's a feeling that can't really be described well, isn't
it? It's been 4 1/2 years since my first flight and I still grin when I
think about it. Congratulations and safe flying.
Jim Weston
McDonough, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred or Sandy Hulen [mailto:hulens61@birch.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
Guys,
First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning around
8:45 AM. She lifted off smoothly at about 70 mph, accelerated like a
scalded dog, and climbed to 5000 feet over the airport area where I
conducted my tests. All the anxiety melted away when she left the ground,...
Zodie feels THAT GOOD guys! The Jabiru 3000 is awesome! The plane climbs
like a homesick angel and is silky smooth and quiet. After about 40 minutes
of wondrous flight and testing, I descended and landed. We had secured a
video camera at eye level on the baggage shelf, looking forward at the
instrument panel and view outside. After the flight, we watched the tape.
All looked great during my check list and run-up, but the camera quit just
as I rolled on to the runway for take-off... shucks.
What an airplane! Smooth, easy to fly, awesome capability, and incredibly
fun to fly. I agree with those that have said it makes a Cessna feel like a
big truck by comparison! You guys out there that are building for this
moment... Keep at it, never loose sight of this moment to come. The reward
on your first flight is ENORMOUS!!
Huge thanks to all of you that have encouraged me, shared your ideas and
pictures, and been so generous with your valuable advice.
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Ray,
You can press on until they can get there. The Technical Advisor program
only requires three inspections to get the insurance price break, and those
inspections can be at any three points,or more, through the process. I used
this program, as well as the Flight Advisor Program, and received the
insurance price break from Avemco. Another thing that helps is to take a
lot of pictures. So just take pictures before closing the stabilizer.
Have fun building,
Jim Weston
McDonough, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: ac6qj@earthlink.net [mailto:ac6qj@earthlink.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
I'm having difficulty arranging an inspection with the local
Technical Advisor prior to closing up the stabilizer. I realize that
participation in the Technical Advisor and Flight Advisor programs is
required to qualify for the insurance program that is partnered with
EAA. However, I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on the
next phase. Are there viable and affordable alternatives to the EAA
insurance program?
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: IslPilot@aol.com
Congratulations Fred! It is one of the greatest feelings!
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com
Congradulations Fred, the description of your first flight was
inspiring to thode of us still building.
do not archive Chip Muldoon
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| Subject: | First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
Congratulations!
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GGP
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| Subject: | New books for Homebuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: sonja.englert@juno.com
Hi everyone,
I would like to introduce myself to this group. I am an aeronautical engineer,
pilot, airplane homebuilder and writer. I have written 3 new books for airplane
homebuilders, which you can check out on my web page www.caroengineering.com.
They are mainly for airplane homebuilders, but should be of interest to anyone
who wants to install engines, work with composites or flight test an airplane.
Cheers,
Sonja Englert
www.caroengineering.com
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
> inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on
> the next phase.
Precisely why I elected not to participate in that program either. Yes,
insurance will be a bit higher for the initial test flight phase, but to
me, the delays weren't worth it. Instead, I just choose to be cautious
while building and make sure everything is more than safe. This is NOT to
say that the program isn't beneficial -- quite the opposite, IF you have
someone at your disposal who can be readily available.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
CONGRATS FRED!! Can't wait to get there.
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| Subject: | EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
What kind of prices are most people seeing for insurance? I am just
starting to build a 601xl and have opted not to buy insurance during the
build time. Priced out insurance at $2000 a year for normal coverage
(still have not checked about the initial flight requirements).
Thanks,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
wizard-24@juno.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I'm not interested in waiting a month plus for an
> inspection before I can clear the work bench and start working on
> the next phase.
Precisely why I elected not to participate in that program either. Yes,
insurance will be a bit higher for the initial test flight phase, but to
me, the delays weren't worth it. Instead, I just choose to be cautious
while building and make sure everything is more than safe. This is NOT
to
say that the program isn't beneficial -- quite the opposite, IF you have
someone at your disposal who can be readily available.
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Owens" <owensp@charter.net>
Congratulations to Fred and Sandy Hulen on their FIRST FLIGHT!!!! Well
Done! All the hard work and long hours have finally paid off, and the rest
of us still building are looking forward to THE DAY!!!=0D
=0D
=0D
Phil Owens=0D
CH-801 Builder=0D
=0D
=0D
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley <mireley@pilot.msu.edu>
Michael Stempf wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
>
>What kind of prices are most people seeing for insurance? I am just
>starting to build a 601xl and have opted not to buy insurance during the
>build time. Priced out insurance at $2000 a year for normal coverage
>(still have not checked about the initial flight requirements).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael
>
>
>
Are you purchasing a "construction/rebuild" policy? Mine is $384 for
$33,000 of coverage
during construction.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Just a hint, but my insurance people said it isn't an airplane until it flies.
Until then we can add a bunch of aluminum, tools, engine, instruments, and
"stuff" to your home owners. It is after all just extra "contents" for a
personal hobby until it's registered.
Hal Rozema
theplanefolks.net
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| Subject: | EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
Mine was $400 for the construction/rebuild policy and $2000 a year after
that. Didn't know about the discount with the Technical Advisor program
- that is good to know about.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Mireley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley <mireley@pilot.msu.edu>
Michael Stempf wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf"
<mstempf@earthlink.net>
>
>What kind of prices are most people seeing for insurance? I am just
>starting to build a 601xl and have opted not to buy insurance during
the
>build time. Priced out insurance at $2000 a year for normal coverage
>(still have not checked about the initial flight requirements).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael
>
>
>
Are you purchasing a "construction/rebuild" policy? Mine is $384 for
$33,000 of coverage
during construction.
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| Subject: | Freddie's first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Congrats Fred, no one deserves the emotional and mental "high" of a first flight
more than you. Had you not been so busy helping others this might have happened
earlier - but the support and camaraderie you show towards others has surely
spawned other "firsts."
Well done, buddy.
j do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Dunning" <peterd@metec.co.nz>
Congratulations Fred
Your dedication to construction of N-601LX and
sharing of ideas etc is rewarded at last with your
first flight.
It goes without saying that you have also provided
inspiration to me and others.
Soft landings always.
Peter Dunning
Wellington, NZ
CH601HD (inching forward)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fred or Sandy Hulen <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
>Guys,
>
>First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning around
8:45 AM.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl@erols.com>
Congrats!! And thanks for giving us "uncompletes" a taste of what's to
come.
Do not archive
David Tellet
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| Subject: | EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
I just talked to Falcon insurance yesterday. I was getting a comparison to
what I'm already paying Avemco for liability on my Maxair Drifter.
I asked about builders coverage for my 601XL and they quoted $400.00 for up
to 40K. They also quoted the following when it's ready to fly: (Note: all
numbers are obviously approximate until time of issuance)
1 million liability only - $600.00
1 million liability + 40K hull not in motion - $1,100.00
1 million liability + 40K hull in motion, taxi only - $1,200.00
1 million liability + 40K hull full flight - $2,300.00
For liability reference I'm a 280 hr PPL SEL no instrument rating.
Mark Stauffer
601XL SN: 4999
Big box ships on 22 Jan '03 and I can't wait!!
Michael Stempf wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
>
>What kind of prices are most people seeing for insurance? I am just
>starting to build a 601xl and have opted not to buy insurance during the
>build time. Priced out insurance at $2000 a year for normal coverage
>(still have not checked about the initial flight requirements).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
$2,000 a year sounds very high. Most RV's, even those with tailwheels are
significantly lower.
Also, you probably want to check with EAA and see if there is still an
insurance discount in effect for using the Tech Counselor program. I am a
Tech Counselor, and have not seen a discount mentioned since EAA and Avemco
got their divorce. Once upon a time, Avemco was the only company that
recognized the Tech Counselor program.
KB
RV-6 Owner, list lurker.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf"
<mstempf@earthlink.net>
>
> Mine was $400 for the construction/rebuild policy and $2000 a year after
> that. Didn't know about the discount with the Technical Advisor program
> - that is good to know about.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Mireley
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley <mireley@pilot.msu.edu>
>
> Michael Stempf wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf"
> <mstempf@earthlink.net>
> >
> >What kind of prices are most people seeing for insurance? I am just
> >starting to build a 601xl and have opted not to buy insurance during
> the
> >build time. Priced out insurance at $2000 a year for normal coverage
> >(still have not checked about the initial flight requirements).
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >
> Are you purchasing a "construction/rebuild" policy? Mine is $384 for
> $33,000 of coverage
> during construction.
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith 701 top skin? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Hello STOL 701 builders on the list.
I am having some problems with the drawings again, where I had made some corrections
to my plans from Zenair.
On page 7-F-2 on top. The measurement for the top skin for fuselage was 3070mm,
and was changed to 3080mm according to Zenith updates.
This is the measurement between A and B i.e. total length of the top skin, including
the 20mm overhang.
If all figures are added on the hole length of the top skin, I only get 3070mm.
When I go to page 7-F-3 and look at the correction that was added there, which
was: A-B cl top skin3070.
My question is, where did this 3080mm figure come from?
I hope someone can help me here, because I do not what to spend more time on head
scratching. The hair is getting thinner, and I cant afford to lose much more.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | 701 fuselage top skin? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JGJ" <johann@gi.is>
Hello STOL 701 builders on the list.
I am having some problems with the drawings again, where I had made some corrections
to my plans from Zenair.
On page 7-F-2 on top. The measurement for the top skin for fuselage was 3070mm,
and was changed to 3080mm according to Zenith updates.
This is the measurement between A and B i.e. total length of the top skin, including
the 20mm overhang.
If all figures are added on the hole length of the top skin, I only get 3070mm.
When I go to page 7-F-3 and look at the correction that was added there, which
was: A-B cl top skin3070.
My question is, where did this 3080mm figure come from?
I hope someone can help me here, because I do not what to spend more time on head
scratching. The hair is getting thinner, and I cant afford to lose much more.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | ch-601 remarkable cruise speeds of 142mph+ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "SKYSHOP" <duba@gate.net>
The new constant speed prop from Woodcomp (SR 2000xa) is now available and
ideal for the higher performance Rotax 912UL-S power plants. Our first
installation on Zenair CH601XL has seen remarkable cruise speeds of and
142mph+ (with the utilization of Skyshop's new CH601XL cowling). Skyhop is
now exclusive distributor and authorized service centre for Woodcomp in USA.
http://www.czechsportplanes.com/SPORTPROPSINDEX.htm
---
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
><kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
>$2,000 a year sounds very high. Most RV's, even those with tailwheels are
>significantly lower.
>
>Also, you probably want to check with EAA and see if there is still an
>insurance discount in effect for using the Tech Counselor program. I am a
>Tech Counselor, and have not seen a discount mentioned since EAA and Avemco
>got their divorce. Once upon a time, Avemco was the only company that
>recognized the Tech Counselor program.
>
>KB
>RV-6 Owner, list lurker.
>
I had read on the EAA web page, since EAA hooked up with Falcon, that
participation in the Technical Advisor / Flight Advisor program was
required to obtain the EAA preferred rate. I haven't been able to
locate that statement in the past 30 minutes of checking their web
page though...
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Fred,
Way to go! So very pleased to see your success because your input here has
been stimulating and gold to a lot of us. Congratulations are such an
understatement!
Thanks again and fly safe,
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> First flight for Zodie Rocket 601LX (601 HDS) occurred this morning around
8:45 AM. She lifted off smoothly at about 70 mph, accelerated like a
scalded dog, and climbed to 5000 feet over the airport area where I
conducted my tests. All the anxiety melted away when she left the ground,...
Zodie feels THAT GOOD guys! The Jabiru 3000 is awesome! The plane climbs
like a homesick angel and is silky smooth and quiet. After about 40 minutes
of wondrous flight and testing, I descended and landed. We had secured a
video camera at eye level on the baggage shelf, looking forward at the
instrument panel and view outside. After the flight, we watched the tape.
All looked great during my check list and run-up, but the camera quit just
as I rolled on to the runway for take-off... shucks.
>
> What an airplane! Smooth, easy to fly, awesome capability, and incredibly
fun to fly. I agree with those that have said it makes a Cessna feel like a
big truck by comparison! You guys out there that are building for this
moment... Keep at it, never loose sight of this moment to come. The reward
on your first flight is ENORMOUS!!
>
> Huge thanks to all of you that have encouraged me, shared your ideas and
pictures, and been so generous with your valuable advice.
>
> Fred Hulen
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I don't know were on the EAA web site you will find the answer. I published
the requirement in the Experimenter in the November 2002 issue in the
Up-Date from Headquarter section that I write...
We just found out that Falcon Insurance, EAA's new insurance manager, is
requiring the use of an EAA Flight Advisor for all NEW homebuilt aircraft
and purchased tested homebuilts.
Falcon in order to obtain insurance from their primary underwriter for
homebuilts is requiring the use of the Flight Advisor Program. No flight
advisor, no insurance. Obviously they feel that to even offer any insurance
builders need to use the EAA's proven Flight Advisor Program for test flying
from first flight or for each new purchase. Falcon's Representative, Chuck
Hubbard further stated, "We have established 'Risk Profile Limits.' If the
pilot that buys an existing experimental aircraft has prior experience the
fits into the Profile, then the Flight Advisor requirement is waived. He
also said that they will work things out if it is impossible to get a flight
advisor because of location.
A builder's premiums have to be large enough to cover any accident loses in
the policy pool. More accidents mean higher premiums or not even offering
insurance. Falcon and their underwriters have statistically found using the
Flight Advisor Program minimizes accidents and their payout for loss. When
this program holds down the losses and the insurance payout, the builder,
Falcon, and the underwriter all win.
Falcon with their underwriter policies is to be commended in extending
insurance for the first flight. Now it is up to the Flight Advisors to do
their stuff. You can call Falcon at 1-800-880.4545 for more details. - The
Experimenter Nov 2003
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> ><kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> >
> >$2,000 a year sounds very high. Most RV's, even those with tailwheels
are
> >significantly lower.
> >
> >Also, you probably want to check with EAA and see if there is still an
> >insurance discount in effect for using the Tech Counselor program. I am
a
> >Tech Counselor, and have not seen a discount mentioned since EAA and
Avemco
> >got their divorce. Once upon a time, Avemco was the only company that
> >recognized the Tech Counselor program.
> >
> >KB
> >RV-6 Owner, list lurker.
> >
>
> I had read on the EAA web page, since EAA hooked up with Falcon, that
> participation in the Technical Advisor / Flight Advisor program was
> required to obtain the EAA preferred rate. I haven't been able to
> locate that statement in the past 30 minutes of checking their web
> page though...
>
> --
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
>
> Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
> Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Fellows, I'm overwhelmed and appreciative of so many "congrats" and personal
messages received both on and off the list!
Thanks so much. There's a huge snow storm to arrive here in the Kansas City
Mo. area tonight (predicting 8 to 10 inches), but after it has passed, the
runway clear, and the weather permits, I'LL be having a ball with my new
Zodie Rocket!
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>I don't know were on the EAA web site you will find the answer. I published
>the requirement in the Experimenter in the November 2002 issue in the
>Up-Date from Headquarter section that I write...
>We just found out that Falcon Insurance, EAA's new insurance manager, is
>requiring the use of an EAA Flight Advisor for all NEW homebuilt aircraft
>and purchased tested homebuilts.
>
>Falcon in order to obtain insurance from their primary underwriter for
>homebuilts is requiring the use of the Flight Advisor Program. No flight
>advisor, no insurance. Obviously they feel that to even offer any insurance
>builders need to use the EAA's proven Flight Advisor Program for test flying
>from first flight or for each new purchase. Falcon's Representative, Chuck
>Hubbard further stated, "We have established 'Risk Profile Limits.' If the
>pilot that buys an existing experimental aircraft has prior experience the
>fits into the Profile, then the Flight Advisor requirement is waived. He
>also said that they will work things out if it is impossible to get a flight
>advisor because of location.
>
>A builder's premiums have to be large enough to cover any accident loses in
>the policy pool. More accidents mean higher premiums or not even offering
>insurance. Falcon and their underwriters have statistically found using the
>Flight Advisor Program minimizes accidents and their payout for loss. When
>this program holds down the losses and the insurance payout, the builder,
>Falcon, and the underwriter all win.
>
>Falcon with their underwriter policies is to be commended in extending
>insurance for the first flight. Now it is up to the Flight Advisors to do
>their stuff. You can call Falcon at 1-800-880.4545 for more details. - The
>Experimenter Nov 2003
>
>Cy Galley
>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
>
Thanks for this Cy! The original article I read also indicated that
the Technical Advisor was also required. Hence my angst over an
inability to get a response out of the TA or local chapter president
in trying to schedule an inspection. I'm not to worried about the FA
as I know the FA for the local chapter (I currently rent Citabrias
from him).
Never the less, the majority opinion seems to be to continue building
and not wait so that's exactly what I'm going to do. Thanks to all
for the great input!
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--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Technical Advisor Program |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Good follow-up. Thanks Cy.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I don't know were on the EAA web site you will find the answer. I
published
> the requirement in the Experimenter in the November 2002 issue in the
> Up-Date from Headquarter section that I write...
> We just found out that Falcon Insurance, EAA's new insurance manager, is
> requiring the use of an EAA Flight Advisor for all NEW homebuilt aircraft
> and purchased tested homebuilts.
>
> Falcon in order to obtain insurance from their primary underwriter for
> homebuilts is requiring the use of the Flight Advisor Program. No flight
> advisor, no insurance. Obviously they feel that to even offer any
insurance
> builders need to use the EAA's proven Flight Advisor Program for test
flying
> from first flight or for each new purchase. Falcon's Representative, Chuck
> Hubbard further stated, "We have established 'Risk Profile Limits.' If the
> pilot that buys an existing experimental aircraft has prior experience the
> fits into the Profile, then the Flight Advisor requirement is waived. He
> also said that they will work things out if it is impossible to get a
flight
> advisor because of location.
>
> A builder's premiums have to be large enough to cover any accident loses
in
> the policy pool. More accidents mean higher premiums or not even offering
> insurance. Falcon and their underwriters have statistically found using
the
> Flight Advisor Program minimizes accidents and their payout for loss. When
> this program holds down the losses and the insurance payout, the builder,
> Falcon, and the underwriter all win.
>
> Falcon with their underwriter policies is to be commended in extending
> insurance for the first flight. Now it is up to the Flight Advisors to do
> their stuff. You can call Falcon at 1-800-880.4545 for more details. - The
> Experimenter Nov 2003
>
> Cy Galley
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Technical Advisor Program
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
> >
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> > ><kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> > >
> > >$2,000 a year sounds very high. Most RV's, even those with tailwheels
> are
> > >significantly lower.
> > >
> > >Also, you probably want to check with EAA and see if there is still an
> > >insurance discount in effect for using the Tech Counselor program. I
am
> a
> > >Tech Counselor, and have not seen a discount mentioned since EAA and
> Avemco
> > >got their divorce. Once upon a time, Avemco was the only company that
> > >recognized the Tech Counselor program.
> > >
> > >KB
> > >RV-6 Owner, list lurker.
> > >
> >
> > I had read on the EAA web page, since EAA hooked up with Falcon, that
> > participation in the Technical Advisor / Flight Advisor program was
> > required to obtain the EAA preferred rate. I haven't been able to
> > locate that statement in the past 30 minutes of checking their web
> > page though...
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best Regards, Ray Montagne
> >
> > Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
> > Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ch-601 remarkable cruise speeds of 142mph+ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: prm@softhome.net
I've invented a much cheaper way of going faster-
basically I just put an arc of tape over the ASI scale and used
a pen to put my own airspeed scale there. The gain in cruise
speed is incredible, however it also has a number of
drawbacks:
I now stall at 100 knots and I'm over the fence at 150 knots.
Consequently, can anyone identify a good source of drag
chutes, crash barriers and equipment for laying down a
foam path?
Thanks
Perry Morrison
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SKYSHOP writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "SKYSHOP" <duba@gate.net>
>
>
> The new constant speed prop from Woodcomp (SR 2000xa) is now available and
> ideal for the higher performance Rotax 912UL-S power plants. Our first
> installation on Zenair CH601XL has seen remarkable cruise speeds of and
> 142mph+ (with the utilization of Skyshop's new CH601XL cowling). Skyhop is
> now exclusive distributor and authorized service centre for Woodcomp in USA.
> http://www.czechsportplanes.com/SPORTPROPSINDEX.htm
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
Congratulations, Fred !! I'm so happy your first flight was so
rewarding. You have crafted a stunning airplane, so this is a fitting
climax to your meticulous efforts. I hope a whole bunch of Zodie
builders will have the chance to see you and the airplane in person
before long.
Regards,
Brent Battles N16BZ 368 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli <billvt@together.net>
Fred,
Way to go Fred!!!!!!!!
If everyone will go to my web page (address below), I have place a tribute
to Fred's first flight on my opening page.
Best of luck in all your future flights.
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus - Vermont - 189.1 flight hrs. - 294
landings, 1 ON ICE!!)
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Fred
She's a work of art ! Congrats.
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
> Fellows, I'm overwhelmed and appreciative of so many "congrats" and
personal
> messages received both on and off the list!
> Thanks so much. There's a huge snow storm to arrive here in the Kansas
City
> Mo. area tonight (predicting 8 to 10 inches), but after it has passed, the
> runway clear, and the weather permits, I'LL be having a ball with my new
> Zodie Rocket!
>
> Fred
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
> If everyone will go to my web page (address below), I have place a tribute
> to Fred's first flight on my opening page.
> Bill Morelli
> web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
++ Bill Morelli is "SOMETHING ELSE"!
More thanks!
Fred
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Since most of the names wondering about insurance are new.
Until you've contacted Scott Smith at SkySmith Insurance
www.skysmith.com
you probably don't have the lowest bid. And they issued mine without prior flight
training in type (601) and without any Flight Advisor help.
The Flight Advisor program is worthy of consideration IF you have one locally.
If the EAA hopes that Falcon will help the newly minted homebuilder insure their
baby, then they better get a thousand new FA's out there soon. Requiring
the FA program for the issuance of homebuilt insurance will effectively make Falcon
a non-participant in the field for many builders.
do not archive - jeff
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| Subject: | Re: First flight of Zodie Rocket N-601LX |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@ev1.net>
My congratulations too.
May all your landings be wheel side down!
Do not archive.
Leo Gates
CH601HDS. N601Z - About 90% done?
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
> Until you've contacted Scott Smith at SkySmith Insurance
> www.skysmith.com
> you probably don't have the lowest bid. And they issued mine without
prior flight training in type (601) and without any Flight Advisor help.
++ Ditto for me too. SkySmith was the lowest and were really great to deal
with. Jeff and I both had about 400 hour logged when we applied for the
insurance. You guys with only a few hours may have a few more "conditions"
applied to your requirements, but that would be the case with any other
insurance underwriter as well.
Fred
601LX
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 1/15/2003 3:12:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mark.stauffer@comcast.net writes:
> I just talked to Falcon insurance yesterday. I was getting a comparison to
> what I'm already paying Avemco for liability on my Maxair Drifter.
>
> I asked about builders coverage for my 601XL and they quoted $400.00 for up
> to 40K.
I also talked to falcon monday and I learned a couple of things I find
interesting. First I can't even get builders insurance until I have a
N-number. Second, Sharon said they won't even insure the plane if it has an
auto engine. It must use an aircraft engine. How do people insure with the
subaru ?
Jack Russell
Ser#5000 XL
On elevator trim
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