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1. 04:07 AM - Re: 912 oil check bottle? (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Insurance - again (Weston, Jim)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: New books for Homebuilders (Grant Corriveau)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Panel (Carlos Sa)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Panel (RUSSELL JOHNSON)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: 912 oil check bottle? (Pinneo, George)
7. 03:11 PM - Re: Legality Question... (Garrou, Douglas)
8. 04:27 PM - 8-cyl. Jabiru (Jeff Small)
9. 07:13 PM - Re: Panel (Grant Corriveau)
10. 08:35 PM - Re: Insurance (royt.or)
11. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
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| Subject: | Re: 912 oil check bottle? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
This bottle is just a way to keep whatever small amount of "overflow" from
spreading over your entire airplane. One of the basic laws of physics is
that one drop of oil will cover one airplane in one day, and will require one
pilot one week to remove it. The bottle also acts as a "static port" for the
oil system.
Zed Smith
701/R912/sitting on gear
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| Subject: | Insurance - again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
You are correct. Avemco decided not to renew if you had a Subaru
conversion, so I switched to AIG through a local broker. I now have more
coverage for less money. It was an announce, but a good thing in the long
run.
Jim Weston
CH601HDS, Stratus Subaru
McDonough, Ga.
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From: Larry C. McFarland [mailto:larrymc@qconline.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: Insurance - again
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
It would seem that if insurance were not available for
planes with the auto engine, the word experimental might
also apply, for those particular companies.
I wouldn't get too sweaty about it because there are
quite a few who precede us with these engines and
seem not to be complaining.
Larry McFarland 601hds - Stratus Soob
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| Subject: | Re: New books for Homebuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/15 11:44, sonja.englert@juno.com at sonja.englert@juno.com wrote:
> www.caroengineering.com
I've scanned the site and read the index, but I'd like to see some excerpts
of a few pages here and there if possible, before I decide to buy one of
these books.
Does anyone 'out there' have them? Comments?
One thing I've noticed while building my Zodie, is that Bingelis' books have
practically nothing to say about alternative engines, and little about water
cooling.
fwiw,
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Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Noel
I have looked into panels a couple of times in the past. I am not at that stage
yet,
but the same issue was raised by Grant Corriveau in a conversation we had: why
can't
we have a panel like we see in the cars of today?
I think the answer is twofold: one, making a flat panel is much easier.
Two, the curved, molded panels we see in cars are possible because the space
required by instruments and accessories is very small.
Those panels waste a lot of space...
There are a couple of glass airplanes that do have molded panels, but they are
larger than the 601's and/or use "consolidated" instruments, thus reducing the
need
to space.
Of course, it must be possible to compromise and produce something nice with minimum
waste of space.
Please let this list know of your progress with this sub-project.
Cheers
Carlos
[still working on stabilizer and elevator - but one day I'll need a panel]
> I am working with a customer on a panel for a 601XL. There aren't a lot of
> GREAT panel pictures on the internet. What I have planed is a sculpted and
> molded panel instead of the usual flat one. I see a lot of beautiful
> leather interiors with a flat boxy panel and an even flatter and boxier
> center consol. So here is my point, if you have a beautiful panel that is
> also very functional would you send me a picture please.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Noel and Yoshie Simmons
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RUSSELL JOHNSON" <entec1@pld.com>
> > I am working with a customer on a panel for a 601XL. There aren't a lot
of
> > GREAT panel pictures on the internet. What I have planed is a sculpted
and
> > molded panel instead of the usual flat one. I see a lot of beautiful
> > leather interiors with a flat boxy panel and an even flatter and boxier
> > center consol. So here is my point, if you have a beautiful panel that
is
> > also very functional would you send me a picture please.
> > Thank you.
> > Noel and Yoshie Simmons
http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/images/6engine/panel-custom3.jpg
Check out the above, it is a molded panel.
Russell J.
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| Subject: | 912 oil check bottle? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
I've not used one in over 400 hours. I have a drain-tube. No issues.
GGP
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| Subject: | Legality Question... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Matthew is correct. I am a commercial litigator (though not a crash or
insurance defense lawyer). I can't give anyone legal advice here, obviously
-- and if any of you act on the following as if it were legal advice, then
you are not very smart, because you don't know me, and I probably don't know
diddly about your state's law. States' laws vary in significant ways.
Of course, I know even less about other countries' laws, so our non-U.S.
participants will want to tune out immediately!
I can, however, discuss these matters in a sort of hypothetical way, as I
have at some length before.
When selling a homebuilt that he had a hand in building, a hypothetical
homebuilder would face the following issues:
1. There is no way to be 100% free of potential liability, and there
certainly is no way to 100% ensure he will not be sued. Period. Not in the
U.S. anyway. Further, possession of the repairman's certificate is largely
irrelevant.
2. If he has money (or applicable insurance coverage, which is probably
rare), and he can be found, and a "victim's" lawyer can come up with a way
to blame him for a crash, our homebuilder could definitely be brought along
for the ride in court.
3. A release or waiver from the buyer may be a good idea, and may
(emphasize may) be enforceable in his state, but even if it is, it's only
partial protection. For example, it won't do him much good when the buyer
hits a school bus and the kids sue him (they didn't sign a waiver). Same
problem with the buyer's passengers. A buyer's promise to indemnify him for
such lawsuits could also be helpful, but it will only last as long as the
buyer's bank account.
4. If he gets added as a named insured to the buyer's policy, that can be a
good thing (depending on the terms of the insurance contract itself). But
that's assuming the buyer keeps paying his premiums, and it's assuming the
victim doesn't exhaust the coverage and then come after the our homebuilder
personally.
5. If sued, he will probably have lots of arguments about why he shouldn't
be held liable. They may even be good arguments: It was marked
experimental, the crash was the buyer's fault, the buyer didn't do a proper
inspection, it wasn't even airworthy when he got it, he's really the
manufacturer, etc. etc. Some of these arguments may even win the case for
our hypothetical homebuilder. But good arguments won't stop him from
getting sued, he can't count on obtaining summary judgment in a court
hand-picked by a plaintiff's lawyer, and he likely won't recover his defense
costs. Even with a winning argument, his experience getting sued will be NO
FUN.
With all this said, I think lawsuits against past owner/manufacturers of
homebuilts are probably exceedingly rare, largely because there probably
isn't much money there. Like corrosion protection for 6061, homebuilders
(like me) probably spend much more time talking and hand-wringing about this
issue than it actually deserves in any real-world sense. For example, I
have never researched it exhaustively, but I've never seen a case where a
previous owner/builder of a homebuilt got sued. Will this state of affairs
change when more used homebuilts are purchased and flown by green pilots who
take to the skies under Sport Pilot? My guess is maybe, but who knows.
Okay, apologies, my didactic diatribe switch is now OFF.
Doug G.
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Time: 11:41:12 AM PST US
From: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Legality Question...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Roger,
The bottom line is that in America, anyone can sue anyone for anything.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
This copied off the jabiruengines list from the Florida distributor, Andy Silvester:
Builders of 801's might think about their "wish list."
JABIRU 8 CYLINDER ENGINE RELEASED FOR PRODUCTION
Jabiru have announced that their new 8 cylinder engine has now been
released for production.
The engine has undergone 2 years of flight testing and development and
will be released as a 5100cc 180hp model.
The new 5100cc engine is developing 180hp @ 3000RPM and 170hp @ 2700RPM
as measured on Jabiru's calibrated dynamometer.
The new 5100 engine has been installed in the test Spitfire aircraft in
Australia and is being flown with excellent results. Jabiru have
purchased a Vans RV6 and the 5100 will be installed in that aircraft for
extended flight testing. This will also result in a full installation
kit being available for the VANS RV6, RV7 and RV9 aircraft.
An engine mount and some firewall forward components for the Zenair
CH801 have been designed and mounts and installation packages are in the
works for Glastar, Lancair, and several other experimental airplane
models
Detailed specifications are:
1. Cubic capacity is 5.1 litres divided over 8 cylinders.
This creates an engine with mass-overlap across adjacent shaft journals,
and reduced connecting - rod operating angles. The result is a very
smooth engine with great strength and reduced wear to piston skirts.
The effect of the additional engine strength, as well as an increased
oil pan depth and capacity is a slight increase to the original target
weight with the complete engine weighing in (on calibrated scales) at
257 lbs (117kg) complete (including mags, carbys, exhausts, cooling
ducting, and alternator).
2. The engine is offered with a standard 25 amp alternator
with the option of a double flywheel alternator currently under
development that would provide 50 amps of electrical power through dual
separate regulators giving truly redundant electrical systems. This dual
system is under development, but confidence is high that it will be
available in the near term.
Jabiru hold significant advance orders for their 8 cylinder engine and
Jabiru dealers are now confirming those orders. Production commenced in
January 2003 with engines available in March.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/17 09:40, Carlos Sa at carlosfsa@yahoo.com wrote:
...
> but the same issue was raised by Grant Corriveau in a conversation we had: why
> can't
> we have a panel like we see in the cars of today?
After seeing how Fred Hulen has made his very nice-looking cockpit panels,
and looking around at how Cessna and Piper cover their panels with a plastic
overlay... I've added this to my continual 'beautification' project.
To somehow make a customised, moulded panel that will overlay my
instruments, and hide all the screws and mechanical details, while providing
a finished 'ultra modern' look.
--
Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
Hi,
I'm currently shopping for insurance for my CH601HDS which I expect to fly in the
next 3 months or so. (Keeping fingers crossed.) Rotax 912S, nose gear.
My data: 650+ hours; private pilot; instrument rating; 0 logged hours in type;
no accidents, claims etc; 25+ hours in the last 12 months; 7+ hours in the last
90 days.
For $1M liability, $100K/seat, ?? deductible, $50K hull, in flight, in motion,
taxing (basically everything covered)
EAA quoted $2000/year
AIG quoted by EAA agent, who said AOPA discount did not work on his system: ~1650/yr.
AIG quoted by AOPA with 5% discount: $1517/yr.
Still waiting for quote from SkySmith. Sounded like they would also quote from
AIG.
I was very surprised that AIG/AOPA was some much less than EAA.
The AIG/AOPA quote initially required a 3 hour checkout. Catch 22 since the plane
will need to be flown 40 hours before two people can be in it. I told the agent
that EAA would waive a checkout if a person participated in the EAA flight
advisor program. She checked and called back to say they could also bind insurance
which would be effective from the initial flight if I participated in the
EAA Flight Advisor program.
Regards,
Roy Thoma
N601RT - registration received this week!
CH601HDS, 98% ready to fly. Rotax 912S, nose gear, all electric IFR.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Insurance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm currently shopping for insurance for my CH601HDS which I expect
>to fly in the next 3 months or so. (Keeping fingers crossed.) Rotax
>912S, nose gear.
>
>My data: 650+ hours; private pilot; instrument rating; 0 logged
>hours in type; no accidents, claims etc; 25+ hours in the last 12
>months; 7+ hours in the last 90 days.
>
>For $1M liability, $100K/seat, ?? deductible, $50K hull, in flight,
>in motion, taxing (basically everything covered)
>
>EAA quoted $2000/year
>AIG quoted by EAA agent, who said AOPA discount did not work on his
>system: ~1650/yr.
>AIG quoted by AOPA with 5% discount: $1517/yr.
>Still waiting for quote from SkySmith. Sounded like they would also
>quote from AIG.
>
>I was very surprised that AIG/AOPA was some much less than EAA.
>
>The AIG/AOPA quote initially required a 3 hour checkout. Catch 22
>since the plane will need to be flown 40 hours before two people can
>be in it. I told the agent that EAA would waive a checkout if a
>person participated in the EAA flight advisor program. She checked
>and called back to say they could also bind insurance which would be
>effective from the initial flight if I participated in the EAA
>Flight Advisor program.
>
>Regards,
>
>Roy Thoma
>
>N601RT - registration received this week!
>CH601HDS, 98% ready to fly. Rotax 912S, nose gear, all electric IFR.
>
Thanks for keeping us posted on this vital information!
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Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac 601 XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
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