---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/20/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Brake Bleeding Question (Philip Polstra) 2. 06:53 AM - Re: Brake Bleeding Question (David & Maria Lumgair) 3. 08:29 AM - Re: Brake Bleeding Question (Randy L. Thwing) 4. 09:30 AM - I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready (Dr. Bajusz Huba) 5. 10:07 AM - Re: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready (Jeff Small) 6. 10:17 AM - Re: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready (Rick) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready (Matthew Mucker) 8. 02:02 PM - Re: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready (Rick) 9. 03:50 PM - Re: 601 XL Rudder Tip Bent Strip (6T5-5) Question () 10. 03:58 PM - N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 11. 04:06 PM - Bleeding brakes (Chuck Deiterich) 12. 05:25 PM - Re: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... (David & Maria Lumgair) 13. 05:45 PM - Rustoleum Paint, how is it holding up? (Steve Danielson) 14. 08:11 PM - Re: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... (mark.townsend) 15. 08:14 PM - Re: Rustoleum Paint, how is it holding up? (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:04 AM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brake Bleeding Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/03 5:53:50 PM US Mountain Standard Time, larrymc@qconline.com writes: > will probably have to recycle a bit of fluid to totally bleed out the lines > at the other > end where it's most important Thanks for the response Larry, The problem I ran into was actually on the oil can side. When I would pump brake fluid, an air bubble would actually start forming as I compressed the oil can trigger, that bubble then gets transferred to the brake line. I cannot think of a way to stop this from happening without have a delivery system that is airtight! Is that the case or am I just missing something basic? I had similar problems with the oil can method. I then had an A&P friend help me. We bought one of those cheap insecticide sprayers at Home Depot and then changed the end to make it fit on the brake drain. It was a much quicker job, and air was much less of an issue. --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 AM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Bleeding Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" Try taking a piece of tubing - Fuel line, flexible hose, etc - and run it from the bleeder on the caliper back up to your reservior - then pump the brakes with the bleeder open and your fringer over the end of the tubing as a check valve, as you go fll the reservior as the level decreases, once the loop is full keep cycling the fluid until there are no more air bubbles. This method is pretty fast once you are set up - it's messy and uses alot of extra fluid but guaranteed to work. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brake Bleeding Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/19/03 5:53:50 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > larrymc@qconline.com writes: > > > > will probably have to recycle a bit of fluid to totally bleed out the > lines > > at the other > > end where it's most important > > Thanks for the response Larry, > > The problem I ran into was actually on the oil can side. When I would pump > brake fluid, an air bubble would actually start forming as I compressed the > oil can trigger, that bubble then gets transferred to the brake line. I > cannot think of a way to stop this from happening without have a delivery > system that is airtight! Is that the case or am I just missing something > basic? > > I had similar problems with the oil can method. I then had an A&P friend > help me. We bought one of those cheap insecticide sprayers at Home Depot > and then changed the end to make it fit on the brake drain. It was a much > quicker job, and air was much less of an issue. > > --- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:12 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Bleeding Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" Here's how I bleed the brakes alone on my 48 Bonanza whan all my so-called "friends" abandon me and go flying. Set a clean glass jar on the ramp with it's top slightly lower than the bleed screw on the brake cylinder. Find a piece of clear plastic tubing that will snugly fit over the bleed screw outlet, press it onto the outlet, hang the other end into the jar so the lower end is slightly above the jar bottom. Pour fluid into the jar until the lower end of the tube is completely covered. Fill your brake fluid reservior. Open the bleed screw SLIGHTLY so when applying pedal pressure, fluid will leak SLOWLY out the bleed screw. Climb in the ship and apply pedal pressure, preferably of the side you are working on! The brake pedal should SLOWLY travel to the bottom as the pressure you apply forces fluid out the slightly cracked bleeder screw. Forced out fluid collects in the jar. After pedal hits bottom, release the pedal, check your reservior to see if you need to refill before the next stroke. Releasing the pedal without tightening the bleed screw is OK as the tube is immersed in fluid that may be drawn up into the cylinder rather than air. Repeat as necessary. If you have a helper, or can view this from the cockpit, you will probably see air bubbles exiting the system into the collected fluid in the jar. Every few strokes, you can tighten the bleeder screw and see if the brake has "hardened up". The big point is KEEP THE UPPER RESERVIOR FULL. This is close to an "airtight delivery system". Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, 701 plans I> cannot think of a way to stop this from happening without have a delivery > system that is airtight! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:26 AM PST US From: "Dr. Bajusz Huba" Subject: Zenith-List: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Bajusz Huba" Dear Zenair List, Zodiac 601 is a great plane! It is always a proud feeling to tell you that a new Zodiac is ready to fly. We have finished our second Zodiac 601 UL with my friend (Zoltan Kolocsanyi, Hungary). The first one was built with a Verner 1400 engine (and front wheel) and finished in 2001. The second one with a standard Rotax 912 UL engine (and tail wheel) is ready and we have more than 40 hours in air. Both were built by sketches, not from kits. There are some interesting picts of our Zodiacs: http://www.ultralight.hu/zodiac601/zkepgaleria.htm (sorry, the text is Hungarian but the pictures are breath-taking ) Our third homebuilt plane is under construction and it is based on a Zodiac with a lot of changes probably better not to call it Zodiac, but we are ready to inform anybody who is interested on about our building experiences. Huba BAJUSZ Hungary lilas@feemail.hu ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:41 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" Bajusz, Congrats on the new arrival. Your photos are spectacular! Is it an effect of the wide angle, fisheye lens, or have you shortened the wingspan a bit from the original (plans) 27 feet. Well done. jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:26 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick "Dr. Bajusz Huba" wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Bajusz Huba" > > Dear Zenair List, > > Zodiac 601 is a great plane! > It is always a proud feeling to tell you that a new Zodiac is ready to fly. > We have finished our second Zodiac 601 UL with my friend (Zoltan Kolocsanyi, > Hungary). > The first one was built with a Verner 1400 engine (and front wheel) and > finished in 2001. > The second one with a standard Rotax 912 UL engine (and tail wheel) is > ready and we have more than 40 hours in air. > Both were built by sketches, not from kits. > > There are some interesting picts of our Zodiacs: > http://www.ultralight.hu/zodiac601/zkepgaleria.htm > (sorry, the text is Hungarian but the pictures are breath-taking ) WOW!!! Those ARE some great pictures! I can see right now that I'm gonna have to put a couple of camera mount points on my wingtips and tail :) Rick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:17 PM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" > > We have finished our second Zodiac 601 UL with my friend > (Zoltan Kolocsanyi, > > Hungary). > > WOW!!! Those ARE some great pictures! I can see right now that I'm gonna > have to put a couple of camera mount points on my wingtips and tail :) > I wanna see pics of the camera mounts! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:33 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I am proud to inform you - a new Zodiac 601UL is ready --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Matthew Mucker wrote: > I wanna see pics of the camera mounts! I'll post pics when I get 'em built. Probably just put a doubler and a couple of nutplates under the skin for a hard attach point. The camera mount that I have on my 2-place Quicksilver is basically a box that I can screw the camera into. I used a couple of RC plane servos to operate the zoom and shutter, and a mechanical linkage to aim the whole unit. I'll probably use another servo instead of a mechanical linkage for aiming the camera on the Zodiac. Rick ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Rudder Tip Bent Strip (6T5-5) Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Perry, Thanks. I did send a note to ZAC on Saturday and there was a reply in this morning. The answer was that with the short strip, 2 rivets per side will do the trick- 4 aren't needed. So, I'll go with the one I have, less a couple of rivets. Larry Portouw Larry@portouw.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: PerryChappano Larry, You might let the folks at ZAC know and see if they'll send you a properly sized strip; and do the same for other builders in future. Perry Chappano N9961 - 601XL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Zenith Matronics List" > Subject: 601 XL Rudder Tip Bent Strip (6T5-5) Question > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > > Greetings, > > I'm ready to drill the holes through the bent strip into the spar to > > attach the tip rib to the top of the spar. Both plans and the instruction > > manual call for 4xA4 rivets. If I am to maintain a 10mm edge distance > both > > from the top edge of the spar and all edges of the bent strip AND maintain > > the correct over-all distance from the bottom of the spar to the top of > the > > tip rib, I am left with a suitable rivet area of 4.5mm x 11.5 mm! So, in > > order to get 4 rivets into the bent strip, I will need to violate the min > > 10mm edge distance someplace. I can only shorten the overall height of > the > > rudder by 1mm and not violate the spar outside the tip rib flange > > guidance. Yes, the long dimension of the bent strip is on the spar. > Another > > solution seems to be to scrap the bent strip supplied with the kit and > make > > a longer one. > > So, it seems that since the rudder spar is thicker than the bent strip, > I > > should crowd the edge distance on the top of the spar? > > How much can I eat into the 10mm with out serious risk? How have others > > solved this one or am I missing something obvious? > > > > Larry Portouw > > bin-lurking > > Ft. Huachuca, AZ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:21 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Hello Gang, Sadly I have to say that N6042T is going to have to go up for sale. I recently had emergency open heart surgery. I may or may not be able to keep my medical. But my health and recovery has become primary concern. I hate to leave the plane sit for a year or so working on recovery and fighting for my medical. I really don't know what it should sell for or even how for that fact. If anyone on the list could pass suggestions (list or private). I would appreciate any ideas I receive. do not archive John W. Tarabocchia (407) 709-7255 http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder N6042T 90hrs Flown..... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:57 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith-List: Bleeding brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Here's how I bled the dual wheel cylinders on my 701. I removed the screw from the top plate on the pedal (master) cylinder. This screw on my Matco brakes is a #10-24 (not a #10-32). I bought a brass #10-24 screw and drilled a 1/16" hole down the center of it. I put a nut on this screw and threaded into the master cylinder and ran the nut down to snug it in place. I put a piece of tubing on the brass screw and placed it in a jar to catch any overflow. If the brakes are mounted correctly, the wheel cylinder bleed fitting should be at the lowest point. The brake line goes from the top of this cylinder to the bottom of the other (dual) cylinder and from the top of this cylinder to the master cylinder on the rudder pedal. Take jar or bottle and seal two plastic tubes in the lid. One tube will go to the bottom of the bottle and the other just inside the bottle. Fill the bottle with fluid and fasten the tube, with one end immersed in fluid, to the bleed fitting, open the bleed screw slightly and slowly put air pressure in the other tube. The bleed fitting may leak a little but this is OK. The fluid will fill the system and come out the screw and tubing in the top of the master cylinder and into the overflow jar. Some fluid may come out beside the plate in the top of the master cylinder but can be cleaned up. If a bubble appears, it can be forced all the way through the system and out the top of the master cylinder. Also, the fluid can be pulled back through the tubing into the supply bottle by sucking on the air pressure tube. Chuck D. N701TX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:21 PM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" John - Sorry to hear of your misfortune - I wish you the best in your recovery. If you do decide to sell her please let me know - I have been researching building for over a year and have browsed your center stick and flap modifications many many times, I had decided to go with the same modifications, only difference being the engine, I planned a Jab 3300. I might be interested in providing a new loving family for your "ex" if you go that route. Dave . ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com > > Hello Gang, > > Sadly I have to say that N6042T is going to have to go up for sale. I > recently had emergency open heart surgery. I may or may not be able to keep > my medical. But my health and recovery has become primary concern. I hate > to leave the plane sit for a year or so working on recovery and fighting for > my medical. > > I really don't know what it should sell for or even how for that fact. If > anyone on the list could pass suggestions (list or private). I would > appreciate any ideas I receive. > > do not archive > > John W. Tarabocchia > (407) 709-7255 > > http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder > N6042T 90hrs Flown..... > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:48 PM PST US From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Rustoleum Paint, how is it holding up? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" John, I'm sorry to here this and wish you a safe recovery. I test painted a few extra ribs with the Rustoleum method, the same way you did your plane, and they are looking good after a few months sitting out in the weather. I am wondering how the finish on your plane is holding out after some months of real use. Steve ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:23 PM PST US From: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N6042T Capt. Losing medical...... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> John You have been one of the great contributors to this list and it is with sadness that I read your last post. The emotion and dedication that you have put into N6042T would make it a prize for any man or woman. I hope that you consider the new sport category in your country which would allow more leniency around your medical, it may mean a year in storage for your bird but it would be alot less time then building a new one. But only you would know your state of health. Our prayers go out to you in hope of a speedy recovery and maybe someday we'll get the chance to meet. Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo do not archive ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Gang, > > Sadly I have to say that N6042T is going to have to go up for sale. I > recently had emergency open heart surgery. I may or may not be able to keep > my medical. But my health and recovery has become primary concern. I hate > to leave the plane sit for a year or so working on recovery and fighting for > my medical. > > I really don't know what it should sell for or even how for that fact. If > anyone on the list could pass suggestions (list or private). I would > appreciate any ideas I receive. > > do not archive > > John W. Tarabocchia > (407) 709-7255 > > http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder > N6042T 90hrs Flown..... > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:24 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rustoleum Paint, how is it holding up? --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/2003 8:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, steved@nc.rr.com writes: > I am wondering how the finish on your plane is holding out > after some months of real use If you discount the fact that I painted it before I flew it. It is doing very well. It isn't a good idea to paint the plane before flight and working out issues found during flight testing. John W. Tarabocchia (407) 709-7255 http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder N6042T 90hrs Flown.....