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1. 01:40 AM - Static port (Jeff Paden)
2. 06:48 AM - Virus (Al Young)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Static port (Grant Corriveau)
4. 09:20 AM - Re: Static port (CLOJAN@aol.com)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: Static port (Cleone Markwell)
6. 12:30 PM - CH640 buiders (Matthew Mucker)
7. 01:05 PM - Re: CH-300 (mark.townsend)
8. 01:55 PM - Re: CH640 buiders (Morgan Wadsworth)
9. 02:20 PM - Zenith CD another Mathieu screw up ? (mark.townsend)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: CH640 buiders (Matthew Mucker)
11. 03:00 PM - 801 plans inquiry (Randy L. Thwing)
12. 03:57 PM - Re: CH640 buiders (Jeff Paden)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: Static port (Jeff Paden)
14. 04:25 PM - Re: CH640 buiders (David Witt)
15. 04:54 PM - CH 701 wingtip measurements? (Ed Kramer)
16. 05:09 PM - Re: CH-300 (Jim and Lucy)
17. 05:19 PM - Re: CH 701 wingtip measurements? (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
18. 08:56 PM - Re: CH 701 wingtip measurements? (Chuck Deiterich)
19. 11:23 PM - Re: CH-300 (Jeff Paden)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I hate to sound stupid here, but can anyone give me any information on
Static ports? My CH-300 does not have a static port. All of my instruments
are just ported behind the instrument panel. Is this bad? Should I order a
static port and connect my instruments to it?
Thank you for any advise you may have to offer.
Jeff Paden
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"Virginia Wright" <virginiaw@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net>,
"Sally Stillions" <samsamuel@mcleodusa.net>, "Ron Young" <Av8r4ual@aol.com>,
<PebblesLuvsBmBm@aol.com>, "Orville Kaley" <okaley@sbcglobal.net>,
"Nelson B. Johnson" <nbjohnson@erols.com>,
"Matronics Technical Support 925-606-1001" <support@matronics.com>,
"Linda Cotton" <lindaniann@yahoo.com>, "Larry Young" <armyrunner@msn.com>,
"Kelly Taft" <UnityKT@msn.com>, "Kathryn Lavery" <Yakkinkak@aol.com>,
"John Muchmore" <johnmuchmore@earthlink.net>,
"Jack Mattingly" <jackllmg@pacbell.net>,
"Jack Mattingly" <jlm@mattinglylaw.com>, "jcdycus" <jcdycus@one-eleven.net>,
"Doug Young" <Alaska58_98@yahoo.com>,
"Dick Young" <rdycjy@worldnet.att.net>,
"David Cotton" <drcotton10@hotmail.com>,
"Bill Richter" <wrichter@aristotle.net>, "Becky Young" <IteachRLY@msn.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
If you rec a msg from me regarding a "quilt" about 9-11, delete it without
opening it. It contains a virus. I didn't forward it but I think it was
set up to forward itself. Sorry- Al Young
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantC@ca.inter.net>
on 03/01/27 04:38, Jeff Paden at jeffpaden@madbbs.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> I hate to sound stupid here, but can anyone give me any information on
> Static ports? My CH-300 does not have a static port. All of my instruments
> are just ported behind the instrument panel. Is this bad? Should I order a
> static port and connect my instruments to it?
This system is fine as long as your instruments are reading accurately
(which depends upon the static air pressure inside your cockpit). If you
are happy with the indications, and they don't change signficantly each time
you open the fresh air vents, etc... then K.I.S.S.! just like Chris designed
it.
With the 601 this method has proven to be inaccurate - must be reduced
static pressure in the cabin as the ASI reads significantly higher than
true.
Regards,
--
Grant Corriveau
Montreal
Zodiac 601hds/CAM100
C-GHTF
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/03 1:42:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeffpaden@madbbs.com writes:
> All of my instruments
> are just ported behind the instrument panel.
Jeff: A static port may change your readings: My ercoupe was vented into the
cockpit and when you opened the canopie in flight the airspeed would jump 10
mph. Altimeter also. I just knew I had to change my approach speeds when I
was topless. Jack Russell
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
If you don't use a good static system you will find that your air speed
will read much higher than it actually is due to the lower pressure inside
the cabin. This makes for a greater amount of pressure in the air speed
indicator between the pitot and the static. Thus the higher reading. The
best setup I believe is a pair of ports on the sides behind the wing three
feet or more. Connect them to a T and then to the static system. Also you
should provide an accessible moisture trap so that you can drain moisture
that may accumulate in the line so that it won't freeze and disable the
system. You could use a third static port on the bottom of the plane. On
the other hand, you may enjoy seeing a higher reading. The ZAC factory
planes I've seen don't use an outside static source.
At 04:38 AM 1/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
>I hate to sound stupid here, but can anyone give me any information on
>Static ports? My CH-300 does not have a static port. All of my instruments
>are just ported behind the instrument panel. Is this bad? Should I order a
>static port and connect my instruments to it?
>
>Thank you for any advise you may have to offer.
>
>Jeff Paden
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders, did you get
a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full of broken
links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on which the
content was developed).
When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
Thanks,
-Matt
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Jeff I have seen several CH-300's at CDN flyins. You may have to post your
question to the RAA National Forum
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-300
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> Hello, if any of you are flying a CH-300 or know of anyone who has one can
> you please contact me off the list at jeffpaden@madbbs.com
>
> I have been flying mine for over a year now and have never seen another
one
> at any of the flyins or air shows that I have visited. I'd just like to
> know if there are any more of these in the air or if I am the only one
that
> has one still other than the one that is in the Canada Aviation Museum.
>
> I am trying to find seats for her... I know I can build my own, but I am
> looking for a more professional look and feel.
>
> Thank you all
>
> Jeff Paden
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
Hey mathew,
Dude...I've never seen the CD but I have experience building CD Rom
applications and what not. I can't help you with the broken links but if you
still want to read through the information here is what you can do.
Put in the CD and it will want to run right off the bat, it may even want to
have something installed depending on what is on the CD. When the "home
page" loads up close it down.
Goto "my computer" on your computer, then right click on your CD Rom and
choose "Explore", that will open up the folder structure for you, once that
is open you will be able to read the folder names, and from that *if their
naming conventions are clear* begin exploring the information that you need.
Hope this helps!
Morgan IV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
Mucker
Subject: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders, did you get
a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full of broken
links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on which the
content was developed).
When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
Thanks,
-Matt
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| Subject: | Zenith CD another Mathieu screw up ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Morgan great advice for Matt, but if you look at his website, he has a good
handle on HTML and file placement. Since the CD from Zenair is supposed to
be in HTML then we can just consider it ANOTHER SCREW UP OF MATHIEU Heintz.
I have great respect for Zenith, Chris Heintz and all of his children except
for Mathieu. Anything he seems to touch just goes for shit and the lies he
tells are just a bad smear on the Company's face. I could easily ramble for
another half a page but it would do no service to a good company. Suffice
it to say if you have no choice and must deal with Mathieu make sure you
have done your homework!
Mark Townsend
601Xl EA-82MPFI Turbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Wadsworth" <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth"
<mwadsworth@factory53.com>
>
> Hey mathew,
>
> Dude...I've never seen the CD but I have experience building CD Rom
> applications and what not. I can't help you with the broken links but if
you
> still want to read through the information here is what you can do.
>
> Put in the CD and it will want to run right off the bat, it may even want
to
> have something installed depending on what is on the CD. When the "home
> page" loads up close it down.
>
> Goto "my computer" on your computer, then right click on your CD Rom and
> choose "Explore", that will open up the folder structure for you, once
that
> is open you will be able to read the folder names, and from that *if their
> naming conventions are clear* begin exploring the information that you
need.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Morgan IV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
> Mucker
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
> plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
>
> I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders, did you
get
> a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
> you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full of
broken
> links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
> nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on which
the
> content was developed).
>
> When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
>
> Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
> that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Matt
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Morgan,
Thanks.. I've been exploring the content. Much of it is good content, you
just have to hunt for it.
Methinks the content was produces with FrontPage and nobody bothered to test
it on a computer not running the FrontPage server extensions. Kinda sad
when the homepage is full of broken image links!
If I were a beginner at either computers or hadn't heard good things about
Zenith, I'd really, really worry after seeing that CD ROM.
Still, if anyone's gone before me and deciphered the good stuff from the
fluff on the CD ROM, please email me!
-Matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Morgan
> Wadsworth
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:59 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth"
> <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
>
> Hey mathew,
>
> Dude...I've never seen the CD but I have experience building CD Rom
> applications and what not. I can't help you with the broken links
> but if you
> still want to read through the information here is what you can do.
>
> Put in the CD and it will want to run right off the bat, it may
> even want to
> have something installed depending on what is on the CD. When the "home
> page" loads up close it down.
>
> Goto "my computer" on your computer, then right click on your CD Rom and
> choose "Explore", that will open up the folder structure for you,
> once that
> is open you will be able to read the folder names, and from that *if their
> naming conventions are clear* begin exploring the information
> that you need.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Morgan IV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
> Mucker
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
> plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
>
> I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders,
> did you get
> a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
> you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full
> of broken
> links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
> nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on
> which the
> content was developed).
>
> When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
>
> Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
> that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Matt
>
>
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| Subject: | 801 plans inquiry |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Message received from ZA.
Randy, Las Vegas
> Any news regarding availability of "plans" for 801?
> Randy Thwing, Las Vegas, 701 plans builder,
> Chairman EAA Chapter 163
> "Find a new project committee"
We had made a good start, however, our draft person who had
been working on the 801 is no longer with us. It is unlikely that
they will be ready in 2003
Nick Heintz Zenith Aircraft Company
support@zenithair.com http://www.zenithair.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH640 buiders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Hello, I had the same problem with the CD and since I own Modem Madness
Internet and we work with HTML every day, we are in the process of fixing
the entire CD. I will have the corrected version ready in about one week
and will send that back to Zenith so that they can get it to all of you.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
> plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
>
> I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders, did you
get
> a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
> you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full of
broken
> links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
> nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on which
the
> content was developed).
>
> When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
>
> Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
> that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Matt
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Thank you all for your GREAT input, I have tested my airspeed and have found
that it is VERY accurate the even with the static port being inside the
cockpit. We have flown with our friends and compared our reading to what
they had when flying beside me and we were reading the same airspeed. I
also checked against my GPS which was showing ground speed, compensated for
the head wind and was very close so I think we are ok to leave it alone.
Thanks again for all your help guys.
Jeff Paden
> If you don't use a good static system you will find that your air speed
> will read much higher than it actually is due to the lower pressure inside
> the cabin. This makes for a greater amount of pressure in the air speed
> indicator between the pitot and the static. Thus the higher reading. The
> best setup I believe is a pair of ports on the sides behind the wing three
> feet or more. Connect them to a T and then to the static system. Also
you
> should provide an accessible moisture trap so that you can drain moisture
> that may accumulate in the line so that it won't freeze and disable the
> system. You could use a third static port on the bottom of the plane. On
> the other hand, you may enjoy seeing a higher reading. The ZAC factory
> planes I've seen don't use an outside static source.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Witt" <david@davidwitt.com>
Matt,
Can you comment on the quality of the plans? I am planning on purchasing a
640 kit but was going to order the plans first. I've never seen plans or
assembly instructions from Zenith. Can you work with just the plans or is
the manual a must?
Dave Witt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
> Mucker
> Sent: January 27, 2003 5:35 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Morgan,
>
> Thanks.. I've been exploring the content. Much of it is good content, you
> just have to hunt for it.
>
> Methinks the content was produces with FrontPage and nobody
> bothered to test
> it on a computer not running the FrontPage server extensions. Kinda sad
> when the homepage is full of broken image links!
>
> If I were a beginner at either computers or hadn't heard good things about
> Zenith, I'd really, really worry after seeing that CD ROM.
>
> Still, if anyone's gone before me and deciphered the good stuff from the
> fluff on the CD ROM, please email me!
>
> -Matt
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| Subject: | CH 701 wingtip measurements? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edkramer@prodigy.net>
I almost have the left wing completed on my 701 and I am currently working on the
wing tip. I've encountered a bit of a problem with the measurements and would
like to bring it to your attention (page 7-V-9 of the 4th edition drawings
dated 03/2002). Here's what I've noticed: I laid out all the coordinates on the
skins and plotted the line to later be cut. It was obvious something wasn't
right. I talked to Nick at ZAC and he said the newer drawings (my version) have
updated measurements that should be accurate and the previous drawings may be
inaccurate. I then laid out all the coordinates again from the previous 4th
edition drawings (older version dated 07/2001) in which some of the measurements
were different. I've found the measurements in the older drawings to be accurate
and they formed the proper shape.
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who's been there, done that, or anyone
who might be going there.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edkramer@prodigy.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
Most citys have an automotive upholstery shop.
Could you take the wooden seatbacks there and
have them do it.
I looked at a ch300 in Kitchener a couple years back
to try it on for size. I met the owner there and he was
replacing the seats just back from being redone like this.
Jim Pollard
ch601hds
in cold storage
> >
> > I am trying to find seats for her... I know I can build my own, but I am
> > looking for a more professional look and feel.
> >
> > Thank you all
> >
> > Jeff Paden
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 wingtip measurements? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
Both wings/tips/etc done on 701 kit #4433.
Ran into some of the same problems. Okay, guys, this is probably NOT an
original idea: I went to Office Max (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, office supply, etc is
okay, too) and bought several sheets of "poster board". This stuff is white
on both sides, just almost exactly the same thickness as the .016" skin
material. It is about 2 feet by 3 feet in size. (somebody jump in here and
add the metric measurements -- its too cold to walk out to the shop to
measure it myself).
This stuff is about like a giant post card -- and you can make a mistake with
sissors that masking tape will fix. It works really well for the wing tips
and front sides/front top pieces. If you make the posterboard fit well, you
can then lay it over the aluminum and mark around, cut, cleco.
Zed Smith
701/R912
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 wingtip measurements? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I found that making patterns out of cardboard really saved me a lot of time
and material. And as Zed says, if you cut the pattern too small, some tape
and more cardboard will fix the pattern. I made patterns for the wing tips,
the seats (especially good here as both were slightly different), my home
made cowling, etc. On my seats I tapped scraps of .016 together to make a
final pattern so it could be rolled to fit the seat curvature.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Jab 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: <ZSMITH3rd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 701 wingtip measurements?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
>
> Both wings/tips/etc done on 701 kit #4433.
> Ran into some of the same problems. Okay, guys, this is probably NOT an
> original idea: I went to Office Max (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, office supply, etc
is
> okay, too) and bought several sheets of "poster board". This stuff is
white
> on both sides, just almost exactly the same thickness as the .016" skin
> material. It is about 2 feet by 3 feet in size. (somebody jump in here
and
> add the metric measurements -- its too cold to walk out to the shop to
> measure it myself).
> This stuff is about like a giant post card -- and you can make a mistake
with
> sissors that masking tape will fix. It works really well for the wing
tips
> and front sides/front top pieces. If you make the posterboard fit well,
you
> can then lay it over the aluminum and mark around, cut, cleco.
> Zed Smith
> 701/R912
> do not archive
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Yes, I could do that, but I am reaching for a MUCH more professional look
and feel. Like the seats that you would find in a Cessna 172 but smaller
<grin>
Thanks for the suggestion though
Jeff Paden
> Most citys have an automotive upholstery shop.
> Could you take the wooden seatbacks there and
> have them do it.
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