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1. 12:15 AM - Re: building (Dabusmith@aol.com)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: CH640 buiders (Matthew Mucker)
3. 07:41 AM - Re: CH640 buiders (Morgan Wadsworth)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Static port (Clyde D Ehlers)
5. 10:59 AM - CH601 plans (Glenn Paul)
6. 02:27 PM - 701 wing tip (John Birgiolas)
7. 04:10 PM - Re: 701 wing tip (Chuck Deiterich)
8. 07:28 PM - Re: Static port (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
Leo
Thanks for the info. I look forward to meeting you.
Dave Smith
678-464-8227
>Dave,
Go to http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/eaa26.html.=A0 This is the home page
for EAA Seattle Chapter 26.
If this is not the closest to you, they can advise you.
Welcome to the list.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Dave et al,
I have only had a few hours to look at the plans, but here are my
perceptions.
First, there is no manual. There is a rudder building manual, similar to
the other Zenith models, but there is no overall airplane building manual.
At least, I haven't found it; it might be buried on the CD.
There are "IPL"s for each aircraft component. The inspection parts lists
are, I understand, based on the CH2000 production documents that the FAA
requires, and look like they can be used (and are intended to be used) as
checklists for building.
The plans are hand drawn, as were the CH601HDS plans I had. The 640 plans
don't appear to have the "blowup" drawings that show the relationships of
all the parts in the assembly that give you a mental idea how they all fit
together. However, I do believe these are on the CD so that's not too
worrisome.
Having only spent a few hours with the plans, all I can say is that at this
point they look acceptable. I guess I won't know for sure for a while now.
:)
-Matt
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Witt" <david@davidwitt.com>
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> Matt,
>
> Can you comment on the quality of the plans? I am planning on
> purchasing a
> 640 kit but was going to order the plans first. I've never seen plans or
> assembly instructions from Zenith. Can you work with just the plans or is
> the manual a must?
>
> Dave Witt
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
Matt,
There is a business opp, you should see if you can rebuild the CD Rom using
the Zenith content, and resell the CD *Just jokes*.
I would like to see a copy of one of those CD's, rebuild it and send it back
to Zenith so they can send out proper information, as in the future I do
plan on building the 640.
Good luck with everything Matt, and if your right about them using Microsoft
FrontPage then who ever buys this CD will be in trouble. I blame Microsoft
for letting anyone think they can build web applications, It's not for
everyone.
Take care...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
Mucker
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Morgan,
Thanks.. I've been exploring the content. Much of it is good content, you
just have to hunt for it.
Methinks the content was produces with FrontPage and nobody bothered to test
it on a computer not running the FrontPage server extensions. Kinda sad
when the homepage is full of broken image links!
If I were a beginner at either computers or hadn't heard good things about
Zenith, I'd really, really worry after seeing that CD ROM.
Still, if anyone's gone before me and deciphered the good stuff from the
fluff on the CD ROM, please email me!
-Matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Morgan
> Wadsworth
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:59 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth"
> <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
>
> Hey mathew,
>
> Dude...I've never seen the CD but I have experience building CD Rom
> applications and what not. I can't help you with the broken links
> but if you
> still want to read through the information here is what you can do.
>
> Put in the CD and it will want to run right off the bat, it may
> even want to
> have something installed depending on what is on the CD. When the "home
> page" loads up close it down.
>
> Goto "my computer" on your computer, then right click on your CD Rom and
> choose "Explore", that will open up the folder structure for you,
> once that
> is open you will be able to read the folder names, and from that *if their
> naming conventions are clear* begin exploring the information
> that you need.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Morgan IV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
> Mucker
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH640 buiders
>
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Well, my CH640 plans arrived and you can read my first impressions of the
> plans on my website at www.matthewmucker.com.
>
> I wish I had better things to say. To the other CH640 builders,
> did you get
> a CD ROM of assembly manuals? If so, did the browser interface work for
> you? It's not a good sign when the home page from the CD is full
> of broken
> links to images and many of the links don't work. It's quite obvious that
> nobody at Zenair tested the CD (except perhaps on the computer on
> which the
> content was developed).
>
> When the manuals ship on the CD, that's not a good sign.
>
> Is there an overview of the building process anywhere on the CD? Something
> that would indicate the order in which the assemblies are to be built?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Matt
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers <clydes-shop@juno.com>
Hi: Jeff
The plans for the CH 300 has the static be side 1" away from ram air
port for airspeed check and se if it was instead maybe it only needs
hooking up.
Clydes-shop@juno.com Clyde D. Ehlers with Ser No 25 CH 300/400 scratch
building have wings 90% tail 100% Fuselage 30% done
am planing to use Corvair Eng.have gear reduction for it made and using
turbow charge and going to mod to dowell ignition
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:38:18 -0500 "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden"
> <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
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> I hate to sound stupid here, but can anyone give me any information
> on
> Static ports? My CH-300 does not have a static port. All of my
> instruments
> are just ported behind the instrument panel. Is this bad? Should I
> order a
> static port and connect my instruments to it?
>
> Thank you for any advise you may have to offer.
>
> Jeff Paden
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Yours Truly,
Clyde Ehlers
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Glenn Paul" <glennpaul@hotmail.com>
I'm looking for a set of inexpensive ("transferable") ch601 plans.
Thank You
Glenn Paul
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Birgiolas" <johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com>
Hi Ed,
I always make any complex parts in construction paper first, work out the kinks
and transfer the template to the sheet aluminum. That way I get an excellent
fit. Keep in mind that there is minor deviation in all our assemblies, no two
planes are built alike, and the plans are a good guide but not exact.
On another topic, I am routing my fuel lines in the 701 and am having difficulty
with the ANDAIR fuel selector valve, especially all the reducing couplings to
fit 1/4 inch fuel lines. With all the fuel fittings the whole rig is rather
large and cumbersome, and am thinking of scrapping the whole idea and building
as per plans with left and right wing tanks teeing to the Andair gascolator
(which is very nicely made) and then to a simple fuel shut-off valve in the cabin
sole.
Any comments. Should I keep struggling with the fuel selector? Is there a better
one available, or is one really necessary?
John Birgiolas (701/912s instruments and engine left, 750 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 wing tip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
John,
I have wing tanks only. I put shutoff valves right at the wing root (each
side)on a bracket fastened to the upper door hinge support. I can loosen
the bracket pull the fuel line out of the wing and disconnect the valve if I
need to remove the wing. I go forward along the cabin frame and down the
door post for each tank. I tee'd them together behind the firewall at the
far left side near the floor. I go through the fire wall here and to the
gascolator, then to a boost pump and then to a filter and then the carb. I
fly on one tank either left or right and go to the fullest for landing if I
need to. I have had no problems.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: John Birgiolas <johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing tip
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Birgiolas"
<johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com>
>
> Any comments. Should I keep struggling with the fuel selector? Is there
a better one available, or is one really necessary?
>
> John Birgiolas (701/912s instruments and engine left, 750 hours)
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
>Jeff: A static port may change your readings: My ercoupe was vented into the
>cockpit and when you opened the canopie in flight the airspeed would jump 10
>mph. Altimeter also. I just knew I had to change my approach speeds when I
>was topless. Jack Russell
=A791.9 Civil aircraft flight manual, marking, and placard requirements.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person
may operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating
limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight
Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the
certificating authority of the country of registry.
So how do you comply with the FAR's with inherent inaccuracies in
airspeed indications due to pitot static system that cannot provide
static pressure? What about the altitude encoder -- is your radar
reported altitude in error and possibly leading to ATC traffic
advisories that may actually provide additional risk to other pilot's
safety rather than enhance safety? Seems like this could present
tremendous safety issues to any unfamiliar pilot operating the
aircraft and to all of us who are not...
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
ZAC Builder Profile: <http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/montagn1>
Build Status: Empenage completed
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