Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:05 AM - Re: Problem response time (Ed Kramer)
2. 07:10 AM - stab skin messup (Larry Bohannon)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: Zenair newsletter / this site (Gary Gower)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: stab skin messup (Gary Gower)
5. 10:09 AM - Re: Zenair newsletter (Carlos Sa)
6. 10:11 AM - Re: Zenair newsletter / this site (Randall Stout)
7. 10:50 AM - Re: Zenair newsletter / this site (Cy Galley)
8. 10:50 AM - Re: Zenair newsletter / this site (Cy Galley)
9. 12:10 PM - Re: Zenair newsletter / this site (Hal Rozema)
10. 03:21 PM - 601 Rudder Question (Mark's Mail)
11. 03:33 PM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Bill Steer)
12. 03:39 PM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (CLOJAN@aol.com)
13. 04:10 PM - Lap joints of flat aluminum skins (eldo)
14. 07:40 PM - CH601 XL Canopy lock (Michel Therrien)
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| Subject: | Re: Problem response time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edkramer@prodigy.net>
List,
I've always got quick and accurate results from Zenith's Tech Support.
Yesterday, at 3:30 in the afternoon I sent an email to ZAC regarding the
pitot tube installation and had an answer 2.5 hrs. later.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701, rudder complete, finishing left wing
edkramer@prodigy.net
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| Subject: | stab skin messup |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <lbohannon1@mindspring.com>
Hi Ya'll,
Thanks to all who responded privately and on this list to help solve my stab skin
messup.I think I have it solved.This is a great list.I even had a call from
a fellow 701 builder who lives close to me.Also, I e-mailed Zenith about midnight
after I realized my mistake and got a reply by noon the next day.Nick offered
to send me a new skin for free if I would pay the $40 crate fee and shipping
of about $70.This is a good company to work with.Glad I bought a Zenith.I
had a great time at the workshop and a great demo flight.
Larry Bohannon
STOL 701 #5040
Winder, Georgia
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter / this site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
I was not aware of the newsletter.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
> It is difficult for the uneducated to understand how things work in
> the real
> world, I know, but before you criticize one of the better "kit plane
> builder" resource, "The Zenith Newsletter", know tow things, please.
>
> First, the letter is of great value to those who do not spend their
> building
> time on a computer and wish to have something to refer to in the
> hangar or
> on the night stand.
>
> Second, it is not a "Money Grab" by Zenith, the publishers are an
> interested
> couple in Hartford, Wisconsin, who I'm sure will soon own everything
> in
> Wisconsin not owned be EAA (that's an exaggeration and a joke, for
> the
> uneducated) from the fortune they make of the subscriptions. Mark, go
> take
> your medicine. If you don't think it is necessary for you, don't
> order it.
> Your plane will still fly.
>
> Hal
> 701 on engine and instrument install in 12 months
>
> Fred Poor wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor
> <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> >
> > one thing for sure--- The newsletter is edited, more
> > professional, and has a lot of interesting articles in
> > it--- it does lack a lot of the bullshit which appears
> > on this site. --- Fred -- do not archieve
> >
> > --- "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend"
> > > <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > > with the advent and popularity of the internet
> > > ,plus ZAC's commitment to
> > > stay up to date on it's web site. I'm hard pressed
> > > to understand why "we" as
> > > builders need to receive a paper newsletter in the
> > > snail mail. Oh I forgot
> > > WE MUST PAY for this privilege to receive new
> > > information in an outdated
> > > media. I consider this to be a money grab rather
> > > then a genuine interest in
> > > the builders best interests.
> > >
> > > Mark Townsend
> > > 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo.
> > > Think maybe it's time for me to go on my medication
> > > again, I'm getting a
> > > little cynical.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > It occurs to me from time to time that there must
> > > be quite a few builders
> > > > that do not subscribe to the newsletter (Zenair
> > > News). If you do not you
> > > are
> > > > missing out on many good tips, builders articles,
> > > and instruction from
> > > Chris
> > > > Heinz. Some of the questions I've seen on this
> > > list have been answered
> > > > already in the newsletter.
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Contributions
> > > any other
> > > Forums.
> > >
> > > latest messages.
> > > List members.
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list
> > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: stab skin messup |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
That is true, is dificult to have so many people from so many places
(all over the world) and keep the list focused most of the time in the
subject. Not to mention, keep it spam free and ofense free.
This thing is only possible with the help of all of us, just like
building our planes. I am proud of building a Zenith and having so
many good friends in all of you.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
--- Larry Bohannon <lbohannon1@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon"
> <lbohannon1@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Ya'll,
> Thanks to all who responded privately and on this list to help solve
> my stab skin messup.I think I have it solved.This is a great list.I
> even had a call from a fellow 701 builder who lives close to me.Also,
> I e-mailed Zenith about midnight after I realized my mistake and got
> a reply by noon the next day.Nick offered to send me a new skin for
> free if I would pay the $40 crate fee and shipping of about $70.This
> is a good company to work with.Glad I bought a Zenith.I had a great
> time at the workshop and a great demo flight.
>
> Larry Bohannon
> STOL 701 #5040
> Winder, Georgia
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Zenair News
1002 Heather Lane,
Hartford, WI
53027-9045
USA
Phone 262 966 7627
Fax 262 966 9627
mailto:sskrog@aol.com
--- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter / this site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <r5t0ut@earthlink.net>
US/Canada members $20/yr
Foreign member $25/yr
Zenair Newsletter
1002 Heather Lane
Hartford WI 53027-9045
Phone 262-966-7627
sskrog@aol.com
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
r5t0ut@earthlink.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenair newsletter / this site
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
>
> I was not aware of the newsletter.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
>
>
> --- Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> >
> > It is difficult for the uneducated to understand how things work in
> > the real
> > world, I know, but before you criticize one of the better "kit plane
> > builder" resource, "The Zenith Newsletter", know tow things, please.
> >
> > First, the letter is of great value to those who do not spend their
> > building
> > time on a computer and wish to have something to refer to in the
> > hangar or
> > on the night stand.
> >
> > Second, it is not a "Money Grab" by Zenith, the publishers are an
> > interested
> > couple in Hartford, Wisconsin, who I'm sure will soon own everything
> > in
> > Wisconsin not owned be EAA (that's an exaggeration and a joke, for
> > the
> > uneducated) from the fortune they make of the subscriptions. Mark, go
> > take
> > your medicine. If you don't think it is necessary for you, don't
> > order it.
> > Your plane will still fly.
> >
> > Hal
> > 701 on engine and instrument install in 12 months
> >
> > Fred Poor wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor
> > <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > one thing for sure--- The newsletter is edited, more
> > > professional, and has a lot of interesting articles in
> > > it--- it does lack a lot of the bullshit which appears
> > > on this site. --- Fred -- do not archieve
> > >
> > > --- "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend"
> > > > <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > > with the advent and popularity of the internet
> > > > ,plus ZAC's commitment to
> > > > stay up to date on it's web site. I'm hard pressed
> > > > to understand why "we" as
> > > > builders need to receive a paper newsletter in the
> > > > snail mail. Oh I forgot
> > > > WE MUST PAY for this privilege to receive new
> > > > information in an outdated
> > > > media. I consider this to be a money grab rather
> > > > then a genuine interest in
> > > > the builders best interests.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Townsend
> > > > 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo.
> > > > Think maybe it's time for me to go on my medication
> > > > again, I'm getting a
> > > > little cynical.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > It occurs to me from time to time that there must
> > > > be quite a few builders
> > > > > that do not subscribe to the newsletter (Zenair
> > > > News). If you do not you
> > > > are
> > > > > missing out on many good tips, builders articles,
> > > > and instruction from
> > > > Chris
> > > > > Heinz. Some of the questions I've seen on this
> > > > list have been answered
> > > > > already in the newsletter.
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Contributions
> > > > any other
> > > > Forums.
> > > >
> > > > latest messages.
> > > > List members.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> > > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter / this site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Zenair News
C/o Steve Krog
1002 Heather Lane
Hartford, WI 53027
sskrog@aol.com 2626-966-7627
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
We support Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenair newsletter / this site
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
>
> I was not aware of the newsletter.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
>
>
> --- Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> >
> > It is difficult for the uneducated to understand how things work in
> > the real
> > world, I know, but before you criticize one of the better "kit plane
> > builder" resource, "The Zenith Newsletter", know tow things, please.
> >
> > First, the letter is of great value to those who do not spend their
> > building
> > time on a computer and wish to have something to refer to in the
> > hangar or
> > on the night stand.
> >
> > Second, it is not a "Money Grab" by Zenith, the publishers are an
> > interested
> > couple in Hartford, Wisconsin, who I'm sure will soon own everything
> > in
> > Wisconsin not owned be EAA (that's an exaggeration and a joke, for
> > the
> > uneducated) from the fortune they make of the subscriptions. Mark, go
> > take
> > your medicine. If you don't think it is necessary for you, don't
> > order it.
> > Your plane will still fly.
> >
> > Hal
> > 701 on engine and instrument install in 12 months
> >
> > Fred Poor wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor
> > <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > one thing for sure--- The newsletter is edited, more
> > > professional, and has a lot of interesting articles in
> > > it--- it does lack a lot of the bullshit which appears
> > > on this site. --- Fred -- do not archieve
> > >
> > > --- "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend"
> > > > <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > > with the advent and popularity of the internet
> > > > ,plus ZAC's commitment to
> > > > stay up to date on it's web site. I'm hard pressed
> > > > to understand why "we" as
> > > > builders need to receive a paper newsletter in the
> > > > snail mail. Oh I forgot
> > > > WE MUST PAY for this privilege to receive new
> > > > information in an outdated
> > > > media. I consider this to be a money grab rather
> > > > then a genuine interest in
> > > > the builders best interests.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Townsend
> > > > 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo.
> > > > Think maybe it's time for me to go on my medication
> > > > again, I'm getting a
> > > > little cynical.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > It occurs to me from time to time that there must
> > > > be quite a few builders
> > > > > that do not subscribe to the newsletter (Zenair
> > > > News). If you do not you
> > > > are
> > > > > missing out on many good tips, builders articles,
> > > > and instruction from
> > > > Chris
> > > > > Heinz. Some of the questions I've seen on this
> > > > list have been answered
> > > > > already in the newsletter.
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Contributions
> > > > any other
> > > > Forums.
> > > >
> > > > latest messages.
> > > > List members.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> > > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter / this site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Sorry, I forgot the price... $20 for a great newsletter.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
We support Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenair newsletter / this site
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
>
> I was not aware of the newsletter.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
>
>
> --- Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> >
> > It is difficult for the uneducated to understand how things work in
> > the real
> > world, I know, but before you criticize one of the better "kit plane
> > builder" resource, "The Zenith Newsletter", know tow things, please.
> >
> > First, the letter is of great value to those who do not spend their
> > building
> > time on a computer and wish to have something to refer to in the
> > hangar or
> > on the night stand.
> >
> > Second, it is not a "Money Grab" by Zenith, the publishers are an
> > interested
> > couple in Hartford, Wisconsin, who I'm sure will soon own everything
> > in
> > Wisconsin not owned be EAA (that's an exaggeration and a joke, for
> > the
> > uneducated) from the fortune they make of the subscriptions. Mark, go
> > take
> > your medicine. If you don't think it is necessary for you, don't
> > order it.
> > Your plane will still fly.
> >
> > Hal
> > 701 on engine and instrument install in 12 months
> >
> > Fred Poor wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor
> > <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > one thing for sure--- The newsletter is edited, more
> > > professional, and has a lot of interesting articles in
> > > it--- it does lack a lot of the bullshit which appears
> > > on this site. --- Fred -- do not archieve
> > >
> > > --- "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend"
> > > > <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > > with the advent and popularity of the internet
> > > > ,plus ZAC's commitment to
> > > > stay up to date on it's web site. I'm hard pressed
> > > > to understand why "we" as
> > > > builders need to receive a paper newsletter in the
> > > > snail mail. Oh I forgot
> > > > WE MUST PAY for this privilege to receive new
> > > > information in an outdated
> > > > media. I consider this to be a money grab rather
> > > > then a genuine interest in
> > > > the builders best interests.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Townsend
> > > > 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo.
> > > > Think maybe it's time for me to go on my medication
> > > > again, I'm getting a
> > > > little cynical.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > It occurs to me from time to time that there must
> > > > be quite a few builders
> > > > > that do not subscribe to the newsletter (Zenair
> > > > News). If you do not you
> > > > are
> > > > > missing out on many good tips, builders articles,
> > > > and instruction from
> > > > Chris
> > > > > Heinz. Some of the questions I've seen on this
> > > > list have been answered
> > > > > already in the newsletter.
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Contributions
> > > > any other
> > > > Forums.
> > > >
> > > > latest messages.
> > > > List members.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> > > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair newsletter / this site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Try sskrog@aol.com
Cy Galley wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Zenair News
> C/o Steve Krog
> 1002 Heather Lane
> Hartford, WI 53027
> sskrog@aol.com 2626-966-7627
>
> Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
> Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
> www.bellanca-championclub.com
> We support Aeroncas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenair newsletter / this site
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Can someone lead me to the address to subscribe to the Newsletter?
> >
> > I was not aware of the newsletter.
> >
> > Saludos
> > Gary Gower
> >
> >
> > --- Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> > >
> > > It is difficult for the uneducated to understand how things work in
> > > the real
> > > world, I know, but before you criticize one of the better "kit plane
> > > builder" resource, "The Zenith Newsletter", know tow things, please.
> > >
> > > First, the letter is of great value to those who do not spend their
> > > building
> > > time on a computer and wish to have something to refer to in the
> > > hangar or
> > > on the night stand.
> > >
> > > Second, it is not a "Money Grab" by Zenith, the publishers are an
> > > interested
> > > couple in Hartford, Wisconsin, who I'm sure will soon own everything
> > > in
> > > Wisconsin not owned be EAA (that's an exaggeration and a joke, for
> > > the
> > > uneducated) from the fortune they make of the subscriptions. Mark, go
> > > take
> > > your medicine. If you don't think it is necessary for you, don't
> > > order it.
> > > Your plane will still fly.
> > >
> > > Hal
> > > 701 on engine and instrument install in 12 months
> > >
> > > Fred Poor wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor
> > > <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > one thing for sure--- The newsletter is edited, more
> > > > professional, and has a lot of interesting articles in
> > > > it--- it does lack a lot of the bullshit which appears
> > > > on this site. --- Fred -- do not archieve
> > > >
> > > > --- "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend"
> > > > > <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > > with the advent and popularity of the internet
> > > > > ,plus ZAC's commitment to
> > > > > stay up to date on it's web site. I'm hard pressed
> > > > > to understand why "we" as
> > > > > builders need to receive a paper newsletter in the
> > > > > snail mail. Oh I forgot
> > > > > WE MUST PAY for this privilege to receive new
> > > > > information in an outdated
> > > > > media. I consider this to be a money grab rather
> > > > > then a genuine interest in
> > > > > the builders best interests.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Townsend
> > > > > 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo.
> > > > > Think maybe it's time for me to go on my medication
> > > > > again, I'm getting a
> > > > > little cynical.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > It occurs to me from time to time that there must
> > > > > be quite a few builders
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> > > > > > Heinz. Some of the questions I've seen on this
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> > > > > > Aaron
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@bellsouth.net>
I've just started a 601... beginning with the rudder. Please excuse a possibly
stupid question...
I was confused by one item. The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the rudder
overlaps and is riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of
the trailing edge skin facing into the airstream. This seems counter-intuitive.
I always assumed small things add up when it comes to drag... am I being
a little too anal here?
Mark Bengel
Stamping Ground, KY
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
I'm assuming you're talking about the fairing piece below the top hinge, right?
You'll find that in several places on the 601. Look, for example, at the
overlap of the rear bottom skin on the aft fuselage. But Chris knows what he's
doing, and claims that the drag caused by the skin overlapped in that fashion is
less than that caused by the upstream skin being overlapped on top of the aft
skin. The possibility of moisture entering skins overlapped in that manner is
another matter, of course. If you're talking about figure 6T5, my plans show
the leading edge skin on top of the aft skin.
Hope this helps.
Bill
> I was confused by one item. The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the
rudder overlaps and is riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of
the trailing edge skin facing into the airstream.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/2003 3:22:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
> The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the rudder overlaps and is
> riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of the trailing edge
> skin facing into the airstream
Mark: There is this same argument when metalizing fabric wings on my ercoupe.
I have seen the edge both ways in this situation. One of the arguments I
heard on having the edge into the wind is that the airflow is bumped up over
that edge and continues smoothly across the surface. If the edge is a drop
off in the airstream the air can actually burble behind it similar to a
sluice box for gold. Don't know if this is what ZAC had in mind or maybe its'
just that the rudder just looks better this way.
Jack Russell
Ser#5000 xl
on to ailerons
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| Subject: | Lap joints of flat aluminum skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: eldo <eldo@unb.ca>
In this discussion of leading edges of skins facing into the airstream, I
asked Chris the question many years ago. His response was that in fact the
aerodynamics of the air flowing up and over the thin step produces smoother
flow and less drag. One can think of a small wedge of stagnant air acting to
smooth the air as it goes up and over the lip. Air "falling" behind a lip
facing the other direction produces more turbulance and drag. Being a Civil
Engineer and not an Aeronautical Engineer I'll have to take Chris' word on
that. Advantages of lapping into or out of the airsteam are no doubt
functions of airspeed and lap dimensions that produce variations of Reynolds
and Froude numbers and all that good stuff I learned in fluid dynamics too
many years ago.
Eldo Hildebrand, P.Eng.
>===== Original Message From CLOJAN@aol.com =====
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 2/7/2003 3:22:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
>
>
>> The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the rudder overlaps and is
>> riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of the trailing edge
>> skin facing into the airstream
>
>Mark: There is this same argument when metalizing fabric wings on my ercoupe.
>I have seen the edge both ways in this situation. One of the arguments I
>heard on having the edge into the wind is that the airflow is bumped up over
>that edge and continues smoothly across the surface. If the edge is a drop
>off in the airstream the air can actually burble behind it similar to a
>sluice box for gold. Don't know if this is what ZAC had in mind or maybe its'
>just that the rudder just looks better this way.
>Jack Russell
>Ser#5000 xl
>on to ailerons
>
>
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| Subject: | CH601 XL Canopy lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hello all!
I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to
install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to
influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the
canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did you
(or do you plan to ) do that?
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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