Zenith-List Digest Archive

Sat 02/08/03


Total Messages Posted: 24



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     1. 06:36 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Philip Polstra)
     2. 07:48 AM - 701 wiring (Ronnie Koonce)
     3. 08:21 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Rick)
     4. 08:51 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Don Walker)
     5. 08:52 AM - Re: 701 wiring (Larry C. McFarland)
     6. 08:59 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Larry C. McFarland)
     7. 09:06 AM - Is Radio Shack/Harbor Freight heatshrink tubing OK for an airplane (Steve Danielson)
     8. 09:48 AM - Re: Is Radio Shack/Harbor Freight heatshrink tubing OK for an ai... (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
     9. 09:48 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Tim & Diane Shankland)
    10. 09:57 AM - Re: 701 wiring (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
    11. 10:06 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Jim Cullen)
    12. 11:32 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (wizard-24@juno.com)
    13. 12:05 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Gary Gower)
    14. 01:09 PM - 701 in DownEast Maine (Charles Pomaski)
    15. 03:03 PM - Elevator Trim installation instructions... (Michael Stempf)
    16. 03:49 PM - Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions... (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
    17. 04:23 PM - Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions... (Steve Danielson)
    18. 04:44 PM - 601 Aileron Piano Hinge (ac6qj@earthlink.net)
    19. 05:08 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Michel Therrien)
    20. 05:25 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Rick)
    21. 05:57 PM - Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions... (Al Young)
    22. 06:09 PM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Scott Laughlin)
    23. 08:06 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (PerryChappano)
    24. 10:05 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Jim Frisby)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:36:17 AM PST US
    From: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
    Subject: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the >canopy I thought about putting a lock on my plane. I talked to another builder and he convinced me not to bother. If someone wants to rip you off they will. Do you want them to also destroy your $1500 canopy that took six months to build in the process? ---


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    Time: 07:48:57 AM PST US
    From: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@vsta.com>
    Subject: 701 wiring
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@vsta.com> Has anyone found a guide for wiring the 701 with the 912S? Also, should I use a master solenoid at the battery ? Worried about the idea that it has to be on continuously. Thanks.


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    Time: 08:21:56 AM PST US
    From: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> Philip Polstra wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to > >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > >canopy > > I thought about putting a lock on my plane. I talked to another builder and > he convinced me not to bother. If someone wants to rip you off they will. > Do you want them to also destroy your $1500 canopy that took six months to > build in the process? It's a tough call. A lock will keep the "almost honest" crook from grabbing something because it was easy to get to. A determined crook won't care if he has to do some damage to get to your stuff. I'm gonna put some kind of lock on my canopy... and hope for the best. Speaking of canopies, I just received mine from http://www.aircraftextras.com/ yesterday. I sent them a check for $375 2 weeks ago, and the truck showed up yesterday with my package! Shipping was another $160, but I could have saved $40 of that if I had picked it up at the loading dock instead of having them make a residential delivery. Rick installing controls and looking at canopy drawings http://lightflyers.com/Zodiac.html


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    Time: 08:51:27 AM PST US
    From: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com> One alternative is to carry a small flight bag. I put my GPS, headsets and such in it when I am out of town overnight. Don't leave them in the plane. Don HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> > > > Philip Polstra wrote: > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com> > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > > > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > > >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to > > >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > > >canopy > > > > I thought about putting a lock on my plane. I talked to another builder and > > he convinced me not to bother. If someone wants to rip you off they will. > > Do you want them to also destroy your $1500 canopy that took six months to > > build in the process? > > It's a tough call. A lock will keep the "almost honest" crook from > grabbing something because it was easy to get to. A determined crook > won't care if he has to do some damage to get to your stuff. I'm gonna > put some kind of lock on my canopy... and hope for the best. > > Speaking of canopies, I just received mine from > http://www.aircraftextras.com/ yesterday. > I sent them a check for $375 2 weeks ago, and the truck showed up > yesterday with my package! Shipping was another $160, but I could have > saved $40 of that if I had picked it up at the loading dock instead of > having them make a residential delivery. > > Rick > installing controls and looking at canopy drawings > http://lightflyers.com/Zodiac.html > >


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    Time: 08:52:23 AM PST US
    From: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
    Subject: Re: 701 wiring
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@vsta.com> Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wiring > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@vsta.com> > > Has anyone found a guide for wiring the 701 with the 912S? Also, should I use a master solenoid at the battery ? Worried about the idea that it has to be on continuously. Thanks. > Ron, You might take a look at the drawings available on the AeroElectric connection at downloads. Mr Nuckolls has provided a lot of guidance for this type of question. His book is well recommended and a great resource. The Aeroelectric connection has a site here that might help on the rest. Larry Do Not Archive


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    Time: 08:59:46 AM PST US
    From: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com> Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > Hello all! > > I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to > influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did you > (or do you plan to ) do that? > > Michel Michel, I'm looking at a small but loud security alarm will go off if someone touches the handle without the key. If you have it locked, you have insurance. These are available at JCW for cars. Larry McFarland - 601hds


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    Time: 09:06:29 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Is Radio Shack/Harbor Freight heatshrink tubing OK for an
    airplane --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com> Or is there some "aviation" heatshrink I should be using. I was cleaning out the garage this weekend and found about 5 packs of Radio Shack and Harbor Freight heatshrink (every time I do a soldering project, I never can find my heatshrink so I end up getting another pack...) Thanks Steve


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    Time: 09:48:21 AM PST US
    From: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Is Radio Shack/Harbor Freight heatshrink tubing OK for
    an ai... --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com For all "practical" purposes heatshrink is heatshrink. If you have the variety that is thinwall (as opposed to some that "feels" thicker) just shrink a piece over your area to be covered, then shrink another piece over that. You may want to use a larger diameter for the second layer. Sometimes Scotch 33 makes a good first layer. You can also use the various colors of shrink to mark cables. This is useful if you use the very good "welding lead cable" for primary battery cable. It is almost always black in color, so both ends of the positive cable would appreciate some red tape or red shrink. This will help prevent opposite-polarity electrons from uniting to form smoke. Zed Smith 701/R912 on wheels, working on all the little stuff do not archive


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    Time: 09:48:22 AM PST US
    From: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net> Michel, Yes , I installed one on mine. I'm building a 601HD but I installed a front tilting canopy. I know that if really wants to get in they can break the canopy or for that matter come through the side with a can opener. My concern is when I go to a fly-in or similar event I want to be able to leave my "stuff" in the plane and not worry about someone reaching in a helping themselves. Besides I'm also designing an accessory that will let me lock it with it open about an inch. Tim Shankland Michel Therrien wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > >Hello all! > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the >canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did you >(or do you plan to ) do that? > >Michel > > >===== >---------------------------- >Michel Therrien CH601-HD > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > >


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    Time: 09:57:56 AM PST US
    From: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 701 wiring
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com On the question about the "master solenoid" -- Just remember that there are "continous duty" and "intermittent duty" solenoids. Most of the continous variety will just barely feel warm after 15 or 20 minutes. If in doubt/the solenoid isn't marked/you can't be sure, hook it up on your workbench with a fresh battery. A "starter" (intermittent-duty) solenoid will get warm PDQ. And, if you happen to have a spare continous-duty solenoid that has the current-carrying capacity you can use it for the starter. More overkill for stocking replacement parts. Zed Smith 701/R912 do not archive


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    Time: 10:06:40 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Cullen" <flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com>
    Subject: Re: 601 Rudder Question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Cullen" <flyingcrownranch@lvcm.com> Hi Mark: Eventually, the leading edge skin winds up over the trailing edge skin. However, durning the assembly process, you'll need to place it under the trailing edge skin temporarily so that you can back drill the holes in the leading edge skin, using the trailing edge skin as a template. Tailwinds, Jim Cullen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@bellsouth.net> > > I've just started a 601... beginning with the rudder. Please excuse a possibly stupid question... > > I was confused by one item. The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the rudder overlaps and is riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of the trailing edge skin facing into the airstream. This seems counter-intuitive. I always assumed small things add up when it comes to drag... am I being a little too anal here? > > Mark Bengel > > Stamping Ground, KY > >


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    Time: 11:32:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    From: wizard-24@juno.com
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > Speaking of canopies, I just received mine from http://www.aircraftextras.com/ yesterday. > I sent them a check for $375 2 weeks ago, and the truck showed up > yesterday with my package! Shipping was another $160, but I could > have saved $40 of that if I had picked it up at the loading dock instead > of having them make a residential delivery. Just curious -- have you fitted the canopy up against the fuselage yet? Reason I ask is that while drilling the LAST hole in my canopy, the darn thing cracked...so looks like I need to order another one. Not sure what ZAC charges for just the bubble, but the one they supplied fit the fuselage perfectly, with very little trimming required. I'm curious if the one you bought fits the same. Mike Fortunato 601XL


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    Time: 12:05:38 PM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> Maybe a lock in the ascelerator, to prevent the complete plane to be stolen, if used in ilegal acts will be lots of problem to proof you out. If the idea is to protect your instruments, is easy to destroy the canopy or "can open" the front skins... is better to have an alarm system in the plane or hangar. I am planing to use an alarm system with a movility sensor conected to one of those new battery "jumpers" from JC Wtihney so the little battery in the plane is kept fresh. When I go flying will leave the jumper charging in the airport office or conected to the cigarete lighter of the car... Just an idea. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Philip Polstra <ppolstra@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" > <ppolstra@mindspring.com> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to > >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > >canopy > > I thought about putting a lock on my plane. I talked to another > builder and > he convinced me not to bother. If someone wants to rip you off they > will. > Do you want them to also destroy your $1500 canopy that took six > months to > build in the process? > --- > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:09:08 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Pomaski" <cpomaski@panax.com>
    Subject: 701 in DownEast Maine
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Pomaski" <cpomaski@panax.com> Is there anyone building, or wanting to build a 701 in DownEast Maine? I'll have my project in Gouldsboro this spring and would like to share the building experience. I'm short gas tanks, but have the rest of materials in stock. Fuselage on wheels and 2180 vw mounted, need to do wings and put the thing together.


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    Time: 03:03:26 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Elevator Trim installation instructions...
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net> All, I have been building the elevator on a 601xl, and I came to the end of the directions - but I still have parts left. I can't find any directions on how to install the servo or the trim tab, is it located somewhere else in the manual? The only reference I see to it is in the blue prints. Thanks for the help, Michael Stempf 601xl


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    Time: 03:49:39 PM PST US
    From: ac6qj@earthlink.net
    Subject: Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions...
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net> > >All, > >I have been building the elevator on a 601xl, and I came to the end of >the directions - but I still have parts left. I can't find any >directions on how to install the servo or the trim tab, is it located >somewhere else in the manual? The only reference I see to it is in the >blue prints. > >Thanks for the help, > >Michael Stempf >601xl > Hi Michael, Yes, that is the situation. If you have the aileron trim, the same situation exists there to as there only drawing to refer to. -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939 Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac> ZAC Builder Profile: <http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/montagn1> Build Status: Empenage and flaps completed


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    Time: 04:23:58 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions...
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" <steved@nc.rr.com> 601 Elevator Trim instructions are in the builders pages on the ZAC site. There are 2 versions. Under the XL Documents, there is a new PDF, with some color photos of the trim tab, but no real instructions. Under the "regular" 601 online documents, there is an older 5 page pdf that has drawings and instructions. These should be a good start in the right direction for you Steve


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    Time: 04:44:34 PM PST US
    From: ac6qj@earthlink.net
    Subject: 601 Aileron Piano Hinge
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net Hello list, Does anyone know where documentation is posted on using piano hinges on the ailerons? Thanks! -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ================================================================================ Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939 Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac> Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Under Construction ================================================================================


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    Time: 05:08:25 PM PST US
    From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> Thanks Tim, this is the type of information I'm looking for. Could you send me details of how your doing this? BTW, I recognize that if I want to open the canopy, all I need is a screwdriver and push the lever extension of the canopy latch from outside (on each side)... easy, but not everyone that walk around the plane in fly ins know that. Michel --- Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane > Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net> > > Michel, > Yes , I installed one on mine. I'm building a 601HD > but I installed a > front tilting canopy. I know that if really wants to > get in they can > break the canopy or for that matter come through the > side with a can > opener. My concern is when I go to a fly-in or > similar event I want to > be able to leave my "stuff" in the plane and not > worry about someone > reaching in a helping themselves. Besides I'm also > designing an > accessory that will let me lock it with it open > about an inch. > > Tim Shankland > > Michel Therrien wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > > >Hello all! > > > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try > to > >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > >canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did > you > >(or do you plan to ) do that? > > > >Michel > > > > > >===== > >---------------------------- > >Michel Therrien CH601-HD > > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > > > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby


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    Time: 05:25:02 PM PST US
    From: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > > > Speaking of canopies, I just received mine from > http://www.aircraftextras.com/ yesterday. > > I sent them a check for $375 2 weeks ago, and the truck showed up > > yesterday with my package! Shipping was another $160, but I could > > have saved $40 of that if I had picked it up at the loading dock > instead > > of having them make a residential delivery. > > Just curious -- have you fitted the canopy up against the fuselage yet? > Reason I ask is that while drilling the LAST hole in my canopy, the darn > thing cracked...so looks like I need to order another one. Not sure what > ZAC charges for just the bubble, but the one they supplied fit the > fuselage perfectly, with very little trimming required. I'm curious if > the one you bought fits the same. > > Mike Fortunato > 601XL > No, I haven't tried to fit it yet. I didn't expect it for another 2 weeks, so the turtledeck and forward skin aren't on yet. I did get to talk to the guy in Florida who makes the bubbles and he said that he left a couple extra inches of material around the edges. I'll let you guys know how it fits in a couple more weeks. When I called ZAC for a price, the quoted me $550 for the bubble, and a $250 crating fee. I guess I can understand the price on the bubble, and I wouldn't even mind paying a reasonable fee for packaging it... but $250 just to put it in a box just seemed a little much. Still had to pay the same for trucking, ~$150. Rick


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    Time: 05:57:22 PM PST US
    From: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions...
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net> Michael- You are right- page 6T6 is the only place there is any instruction. I think that you will have no trouble if you take your time. Good Luck! Al Young 601XL Do not archive


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    Time: 06:09:14 PM PST US
    From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 601 Rudder Question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> Mark: I completed my 601 rudder last week under the supervision of Sebastian and Nick Heintz. I looked at the manual again and I see exactly where your confusion is coming from. Section 6-T-5, Page 9 of 14, the bottom picture shows the nose skin underneath the rudder skin which may have lead to your confusion. I can see where you might think this is the way it will be finally assembled - it's not. We were shown in the workshop that this is installed exactly the opposite after trimming the nose skin 10mm from the holes on each side (They have a nifty mega-dollar shear that makes a nice, straight cut). I hope the following isn't too descriptive, but helps you understand what you have to do. After building the framework and fitting the skin and cleco-ing it into place: slide the nose skin under the rudder skin and drill and cleco on one side, then the other just as the manual says. Be sure to mark the top for trimming before taking it apart as mentioned in the manual. One word of caution - before drilling the nose skin where it mates to the bottom nose rib, place a small square inside to square the nose rib with the main spar. Next take the entire assembly apart and here's the part where I think you are now: Remove the nose skin and draw a line from top to bottom on each edge 10mm away from the holes you just drilled. Trim the excess away (outboard of your line) so that you now have two edges 10mm from your holes. This will give you two straight edges for final assembly that will be on the OUTSIDE of the skin (this isn't explained very well in the manual) Be sure to use the duct tape as mentioned in the manual. Now after deburring everything, re-assemble the skin and cleco the skin carefully to the framework working from the trailing edge to the front leaving the nose-skin holes open. Place the nose skin on the outside of the rudder skin and cleco in place. This will give you the seam the way you want it where it won't catch any wind. But here's one trick they taught me that may help you: Cleco one side of the nose skin to the rudder (over the rudder skin), then turn it over. Put a cleco in the middle hole (before bending it over the frame) and push the nose skin over till the cleco goes in the corresponding hole. This will give you a uniform bend and put it in place for riveting - just to beat this dead horse one more time, the nose skin will be on top of the rudder skin. Now cleco every other hole and rivet it into place. Send me an email off line if you have questions about the above. I posted this in case anyone else was at this same point and had the same question as the assembly manual kind of leaves out the last step for the nose skin - it says to cleco the nose skin to the spar, but it doesn't say to put it on the outside. One valuable benefit of the workshop was the help from Nick and Sebastian and Roger on this first step of building the airplane. Maybe you should send them a short note that the manual doesn't make this very clear and they could revise it. I suspect some rudders have been built with the nose skin tucked under the rudder skin. Take care, Scott Laughlin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@bellsouth.net> I've just started a 601... beginning with the rudder. Please excuse a possibly stupid question... I was confused by one item. The plans show that the trailing edge skin of the rudder overlaps and is riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the open seam of the trailing edge skin facing into the airstream. This seems counter-intuitive. I always assumed small things add up when it comes to drag... am I being a little too anal here? Mark Bengel Stamping Ground, KY


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    Time: 08:06:07 PM PST US
    From: PerryChappano <polestar@prodigy.net>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: PerryChappano <polestar@prodigy.net> Tim, I suspect a few more of us might be interested in your set-up. Please post it for all with photos if you can. Thanks! Perry Chappano N9961 - 601XL Michel Therrien wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > Thanks Tim, this is the type of information I'm > looking for. Could you send me details of how your > doing this? > > BTW, I recognize that if I want to open the canopy, > all I need is a screwdriver and push the lever > extension of the canopy latch from outside (on each > side)... easy, but not everyone that walk around the > plane in fly ins know that. > > Michel > > --- Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net> wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane > > Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net> > > > > Michel, > > Yes , I installed one on mine. I'm building a 601HD > > but I installed a > > front tilting canopy. I know that if really wants to > > get in they can > > break the canopy or for that matter come through the > > side with a can > > opener. My concern is when I go to a fly-in or > > similar event I want to > > be able to leave my "stuff" in the plane and not > > worry about someone > > reaching in a helping themselves. Besides I'm also > > designing an > > accessory that will let me lock it with it open > > about an inch. > > > > Tim Shankland > > > > Michel Therrien wrote: > > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > > > > >Hello all! > > > > > >I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > > >install a lock that would prevent (or at least try > > to > > >influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > > >canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did > > you > > >(or do you plan to ) do that? > > > > > >Michel > > > > > > > > >===== > > >---------------------------- > > >Michel Therrien CH601-HD > > > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > > > > > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > > > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby >


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    Time: 10:05:50 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com> I'm not building a 601, (801) but I would suggest that a simple lock and a cover that hides anything (including the panel) that might be attractive is your best protection, "out of sight - out of mind". Most thieves won't bother breaking into something unless they know there is something they want.




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