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1. 12:32 AM - Re: 601 Aileron Piano Hinge (Graham Byass)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Mark's Mail)
3. 08:31 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (CLOJAN@aol.com)
4. 08:57 AM - Personal Website Updated (Matthew Mucker)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: continental engine mount (Clive Richards)
6. 11:00 AM - Re: Elevator Trim installation instructions... (Michael Stempf)
7. 02:44 PM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Fred Poor)
8. 04:56 PM - My plane ouside for the 1st time. (Michel Therrien)
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| Subject: | 601 Aileron Piano Hinge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Byass" <gbyass@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>
Ray
On my plans (an early set I admit) there was a note on page 6-T-0 on the
plans.
I did check with Sebastian about the length of the hinge and he said that
they were full length.
This is what I have done on my HDS wings as I could not use the flex skin
system with my flaperons due to the extra movement angles.
Graham Byass
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
ac6qj@earthlink.net
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Aileron Piano Hinge
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net
Hello list,
Does anyone know where documentation is posted on using piano hinges
on the ailerons?
Thanks!
--
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@bellsouth.net>
That last step does appear to have been left out of the manual. I will
contact Zenair and suggest a revision. Many thanks to Scott and eveyone
else who replied... this is a terrific list!
Mark Bengel
Stamping Ground, KY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Mark:
>
> I completed my 601 rudder last week under the supervision of Sebastian and
> Nick Heintz. I looked at the manual again and I see exactly where your
> confusion is coming from. Section 6-T-5, Page 9 of 14, the bottom picture
> shows the nose skin underneath the rudder skin which may have lead to your
> confusion. I can see where you might think this is the way it will be
> finally assembled - it's not. We were shown in the workshop that this is
> installed exactly the opposite after trimming the nose skin 10mm from the
> holes on each side (They have a nifty mega-dollar shear that makes a nice,
> straight cut). I hope the following isn't too descriptive, but helps you
> understand what you have to do.
>
> After building the framework and fitting the skin and cleco-ing it into
> place:
>
> slide the nose skin under the rudder skin and drill and cleco on one side,
> then the other just as the manual says. Be sure to mark the top for
trimming
> before taking it apart as mentioned in the manual. One word of caution -
> before drilling the nose skin where it mates to the bottom nose rib, place
a
> small square inside to square the nose rib with the main spar.
>
> Next take the entire assembly apart and here's the part where I think you
> are now:
>
> Remove the nose skin and draw a line from top to bottom on each edge 10mm
> away from the holes you just drilled. Trim the excess away (outboard of
your
> line) so that you now have two edges 10mm from your holes. This will give
> you two straight edges for final assembly that will be on the OUTSIDE of
the
> skin (this isn't explained very well in the manual) Be sure to use the
duct
> tape as mentioned in the manual.
>
> Now after deburring everything, re-assemble the skin and cleco the skin
> carefully to the framework working from the trailing edge to the front
> leaving the nose-skin holes open.
>
> Place the nose skin on the outside of the rudder skin and cleco in place.
> This will give you the seam the way you want it where it won't catch any
> wind. But here's one trick they taught me that may help you:
>
> Cleco one side of the nose skin to the rudder (over the rudder skin), then
> turn it over. Put a cleco in the middle hole (before bending it over the
> frame) and push the nose skin over till the cleco goes in the
corresponding
> hole. This will give you a uniform bend and put it in place for
riveting -
> just to beat this dead horse one more time, the nose skin will be on top
of
> the rudder skin. Now cleco every other hole and rivet it into place.
>
> Send me an email off line if you have questions about the above. I posted
> this in case anyone else was at this same point and had the same question
as
> the assembly manual kind of leaves out the last step for the nose skin -
it
> says to cleco the nose skin to the spar, but it doesn't say to put it on
the
> outside. One valuable benefit of the workshop was the help from Nick and
> Sebastian and Roger on this first step of building the airplane. Maybe you
> should send them a short note that the manual doesn't make this very clear
> and they could revise it. I suspect some rudders have been built with the
> nose skin tucked under the rudder skin.
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott Laughlin
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:19:29 -0500
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark's Mail" <bengel@bellsouth.net>
>
> I've just started a 601... beginning with the rudder. Please excuse a
> possibly stupid question...
>
> I was confused by one item. The plans show that the trailing edge skin of
> the rudder overlaps and is riveted to the leading edge skin leaving the
open
> seam of the trailing edge skin facing into the airstream. This seems
> counter-intuitive. I always assumed small things add up when it comes to
> drag... am I being a little too anal here?
>
> Mark Bengel
>
> Stamping Ground, KY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 2/9/2003 8:04:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
> That last step does appear to have been left out of the manual.
Ok, how many rudders are out there with the nose skin on the inside. I guess
the options are to drill out the rivets and change it or leave it. I believe
the airflow comments I have heard from people "in the know." After reading
the manual again my question would be is this the way (inside nose piece) was
originally designed and later was changed to the outside for some reason?
Jack Russell 601xl
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| Subject: | Personal Website Updated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
All,
I have made updates to my website this morning.
I have separated out the construction logs for building the airplane from
the construction logs for building the bending brake. If any of you are
curious to know more about the bending brake design by Larry McFarland of
this list, hopefully my site will (in the future) provide some good
information on that. If I can, I plan to do some construction on the brake
today or tomorrow.
I am quite pleased with the construction log navigation I've come up with.
If anyone wants to rip off this work and has a web server with FrontPage
Server Extensions, I'll be happy to share my code with you. (Plesae send
bug reports to me in email.)
Also, the homebuilder's directory has plateaued at 110 members. If you
haven't registered in the directory, please do so!
The url is www.matthewmucker.com.
If you want a link to your site from my links page, email me at
matthew@mucker.net. (Yes, my email address is in a different domain than
the website.)
-Matt
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| Subject: | Re: continental engine mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Greg
Nick Heinz informs me that the drawings for the continental
0 200 are now available
''I Believe these are the same for the smaller models'' and he has now
passed them to Chirp Erwin
at CHECH Aircraft Works but he informs me he has no plans to manufacture
& has passed them
to Lawrence Lewis UK Agent for further distribution in uk.
Ray Lasnier is hoping he is arranging manufacture & provision of a copy
of drawings, initially he
believed Chech Aircraft works were manufacturing.
Beware engine mounts delivered prior to 2003 do not fit .
also Nick has passed our request for a copy of drawings & Stress
analysis to Chris Heinz as
they are requested by PFA Inspector.
do not archive
Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier 601HD G CBDG 90%
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg P Jannakos" <gpjann@juno.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/05/03
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
>
>
> I'm loking to buy a CH601 motor mount for a small Continental engine.
> Anyone have or know of where one might be available?
> Greg Jannakos
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator Trim installation instructions... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael Stempf" <mstempf@earthlink.net>
All,
Thanks for the responses to this question - I downloaded the pics from
Zenithair and will start on the construction of it today.
Thanks again,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Young
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Elevator Trim installation instructions...
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
the step listed below, should only apply to "skins"
.025 or thicker-- caution on debree catching, water
freezing etc----- "fred" do not archive
--- CLOJAN@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2003 8:04:45 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
>
>
> > That last step does appear to have been left out
> of the manual.
>
> Ok, how many rudders are out there with the nose
> skin on the inside. I guess
> the options are to drill out the rivets and change
> it or leave it. I believe
> the airflow comments I have heard from people "in
> the know." After reading
> the manual again my question would be is this the
> way (inside nose piece) was
> originally designed and later was changed to the
> outside for some reason?
> Jack Russell 601xl
>
>
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| Subject: | My plane ouside for the 1st time. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hello gang,
I reorganized my garage today and took the plane
outside in the street while cleaning up a bit. Well,
the two cars that came by stopped and the drivers
appeared to be intrigued. :-)
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby/daypict.jpg
Michel
do not archive
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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