---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/10/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:28 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Scott Laughlin) 2. 08:01 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (dan john) 3. 08:57 AM - Canopy Lock (charles.long@gm.com) 4. 09:59 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy (David Barth) 5. 10:46 AM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Leo J. Corbalis) 6. 01:22 PM - Archive CD (H. Robert Schoenberger) 7. 01:26 PM - Re: 601 Rudder Question (Phil Maxson) 8. 01:55 PM - Where to ground? (Bill Steer) 9. 02:36 PM - Re: Where to ground? (wizard-24@juno.com) 10. 02:37 PM - Re: Where to ground? (Dave Austin) 11. 04:15 PM - Bellows for the steering slots (Benford2@aol.com) 12. 04:15 PM - Re: Where to ground? (Larry C. McFarland) 13. 04:55 PM - Re: Where to ground? (Ed Kramer) 14. 04:56 PM - Re: Where to ground? (Ed Kramer) 15. 05:27 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Tim & Diane Shankland) 16. 05:46 PM - Re: CH601 XL Canopy lock (Tim & Diane Shankland) 17. 05:57 PM - Re: Where to ground? (Pete Ferguson) 18. 06:03 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Pete Ferguson) 19. 06:24 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:56 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Jack and Fred: I haven't seen any emails yet from anybody who installed the nose skin under the rudder skin. I would guess that it was never intended for the nose peice skin to be tucked under the rudder skin on final assembly. It just helps in the pre-installation process to get all the holes drilled correctly. The manual really should be updated to make this more clear. The prototype (I assume it was the prototype) (demo) 601XL at the zenith factory has the nose peice installed on the outside. Also some of the older zodiacs I saw in Mexico, MO had the nose skin installed the proper way. I have closeup photograph of the twin-engine (gemini) rudder and it was installed the same. If you have not already painted your rudder, it would be easy enough to remove the nose skin rivets and re-install it properly. The trick will be to get a straight cut 10mm from the holes so it looks nice. Good luck! ----Original Message Follows---- From: Fred Poor Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor the step listed below, should only apply to "skins" .025 or thicker-- caution on debree catching, water freezing etc----- "fred" do not archive --- CLOJAN@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/9/2003 8:04:45 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > bengel@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > > > > That last step does appear to have been left out > of the manual. > > Ok, how many rudders are out there with the nose > skin on the inside. I guess > the options are to drill out the rivets and change > it or leave it. I believe > the airflow comments I have heard from people "in > the know." After reading > the manual again my question would be is this the > way (inside nose piece) was > originally designed and later was changed to the > outside for some reason? > Jack Russell 601xl > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:15 AM PST US From: dan john Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john Hi guys,hope you don`t mind a new guy butting in here. I just bought a set of plans for a 601HD and plan to build it for my next project.I am presently working on a Piel Emeraude project (my 5th airplane).Have the woodwork done and am working firewall forward. Anyway the reason for sticking my nose in here is to say the guy makeing canopys name is Todd and lives in Florida.I have`nt bought one of his canopys but have talked to some who have and thay tell me he does very good work and shipping is in the $130 doller range(to Minnesota). His email address is WWW.kgarden.comm/todd/ I think the price is better going through him rather than some middleman. Also--about relays,one of the techs at Wentworth Aircraft Salvage told me that one way to tell a master from a starter relay is that the master has course threads and the start realy has fine threads. A master can also be used in place of a start but not the other way around. John --- Rick wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick > > > > wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > wizard-24@juno.com > > > > > Speaking of canopies, I just received mine from > > http://www.aircraftextras.com/ yesterday. > > > I sent them a check for $375 2 weeks ago, and > the truck showed up > > > yesterday with my package! Shipping was another > $160, but I could > > > have saved $40 of that if I had picked it up at > the loading dock > > instead > > > of having them make a residential delivery. > > > > Just curious -- have you fitted the canopy up > against the fuselage yet? > > Reason I ask is that while drilling the LAST hole > in my canopy, the darn > > thing cracked...so looks like I need to order > another one. Not sure what > > ZAC charges for just the bubble, but the one they > supplied fit the > > fuselage perfectly, with very little trimming > required. I'm curious if > > the one you bought fits the same. > > > > Mike Fortunato > > 601XL > > > > No, I haven't tried to fit it yet. I didn't expect > it for another 2 > weeks, so the turtledeck and forward skin aren't on > yet. I did get to > talk to the guy in Florida who makes the bubbles and > he said that he > left a couple extra inches of material around the > edges. I'll let you > guys know how it fits in a couple more weeks. > > When I called ZAC for a price, the quoted me $550 > for the bubble, and a > $250 crating fee. I guess I can understand the price > on the bubble, and > I wouldn't even mind paying a reasonable fee for > packaging it... but > $250 just to put it in a box just seemed a little > much. Still had to pay > the same for trucking, ~$150. > > Rick > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Lock From: charles.long@gm.com 02/10/2003 11:56:43 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I have designed such a canopy lock for the HDS canopy design. The XL would be a different story. My lock is rerived from the metal cabinet industry. It mounts on the left side of the fuselage just forward of the vertical L that runs next to the spar. Since I have a forward opening canopy, the lock and existing outside opening mechanism can only be mounted on one side (This is a negative, if you don't use a lock, you can mount openers on both sides). If you retain the side opening canopy feature, dual locks and openers will work fine. Also, the key is required anytime you close the canopy from the outside (at least you don't forget the keys inside that way). On the up side, my lock design includes a secondary cockpit latch mechanism which I think is quite important based on a number of canopies lost in flight over the years. Both pilots can reach the internal secondary latch with no problem. If the external lock jams, it doesn't interfere with the internal latch mechanism for safety reasons. If you or anyone else on the list are interesting, I can probably take a few pictures to email to you. Beats trying to describe it with words. I also have more locks available that are left over from My now Defunct "Lone Eagle Flight Simulator" business that I can sell you for $5 each. Chuck Long, HDS 80% complete ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:25 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hello all! I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did you (or do you plan to ) do that? Michel ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:03 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi List. The correct address for the below site is http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ His guarantee is great! If you crack a canopy during installation he will replace it for free. Sounds good to me. Thanks for the Todd information. David > the > guy makeing canopys name is Todd and lives in > Florida.I have`nt bought one of his canopys but have > talked to some who have and thay tell me he does > very > good work and shipping is in the $130 doller > range(to > Minnesota). His email address is > WWW.kgarden.comm/todd/ > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab and Rudder waiting for skins ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:07 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" I just sent pictures of my ground key lock and inflight flip tab lock to the Zenair Newsletter. It is for a forward opening canopy with the same side hooks as the old side opening canopy which opened in flight.( I didn't use the inflight lock that day) In addition I have mounted a Microswitch on each side so that if the hooks are moved, the thin bent down rear end of the side hook shaft hit the Microswitch. This triggers an alarm circuit that turns on the wingtip strobes and a klaxon from an auto alarm system, which is installed under the seat. Somebody may steal my stuff but he will have to be deaf or VERY determined! There is a 3 second delay because you can trigger it accidently by flexing in the fuselage side skin. Leo Corbalis do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Hello all! > > I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to > install a lock that would prevent (or at least try to > influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the > canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did you > (or do you plan to ) do that? > > Michel > > > ===== > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:23 PM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: Archive CD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . . I have recently received the archive CD which was a part of the donation process to Matt. There are no setup or use instructions so any advice on how to get this CD up and running will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Hap Schoenberger 701 tail completed, working on wings. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:39 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" >Ok, how many rudders are out there with the nose skin on the inside. I >guess >the options are to drill out the rivets and change it or leave it. My vote would be to leave it alone. I just don't think this will be worth it. I can't imagine it being a problem either way. Just my 2 cents, Phil Maxson 601XL, Stabilizer Nose Skin Outside, Wing Nose Skins Inside do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:20 PM PST US From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this kind of thing? Thanks for info. Bill ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), > but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me > there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the > rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from > the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by > running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option > seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection > between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the > hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, > seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this > kind of thing? I grounded the light to the rear fuse, but I ran the ground for the elevator trim all the way to the front (because the wiring was all in one bundled cable, so it was easier that way). But I would think any of those options would work equally as well. Mike Fortunato 601XL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:46 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Bill, Better to run a wire all the way to your ground buss. You should avoid current flowing in the frame of the a/c for corrosion reasons. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:04 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com Has any Zenith builders found any suitable bellows to cover up the slots in the firewall??? I have looked all over the web and found nothing. Both my snowmobiles, ones a Polaris and the other is a cat and the steering boots are close but not long enough. The slots in an 801 are 3/4" wide by 4" long. There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:29 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: Where to ground? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" > > I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this kind of thing? > > Thanks for info. > > Bill Bill, I'm running all my grounds forward to a ground block on the firewall as suggested by the AeroElectric connection. Some of these are especially worth carrying forward to one common ground to reduce noise at the headphones. Otherwise, a ground for the rudder is best terminated at the first top plate on the tail of the fuselage. Larry C. McFarland - 601hds Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:48 PM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" Bill, I've been kicking around where to run the ground wire for the nav & strobe lights. I've found the best ground is via the same gauge wire that's used for the power supply, to a common ground buss on the firewall, and not to use the airframe. This is supposed to reduce radio & electrical noise in the cockpit. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edkramer@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Zenith-List: Where to ground? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" > > I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this kind of thing? > > Thanks for info. > > Bill ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:11 PM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" Bill, I've been kicking around where to run the ground wire for the nav & strobe lights. I've found the best ground is via the same gauge wire that's used for the power supply, to a common ground buss on the firewall, and not to use the airframe. This is supposed to reduce radio & electrical noise in the cockpit. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edkramer@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Zenith-List: Where to ground? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" > > I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this kind of thing? > > Thanks for info. > > Bill ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:03 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Ben, I thought about those slots for a long time, since they are through the "firewall" I wanted them to be fireproof. I went through all sorts of ideas some quite complex until I had that moment of inspiration The slots only need to be closed when you are flying! When you on the ground the low speed will not cause much airflow and when you are flying the steering rods are always at the bottom. What I made is a narrow door over each slot pivoted at the top with a spring holding it closed. There is a small triangular opening for the rod it pass and when you land the upward movement of the rod opens the door. I also put a piece of aluminum tubing over a part of the steering rods held in place with a couple of nuts to keep it from sawing into the door. I have pictures if you are interested. Tim Shankland Benford2@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > >Has any Zenith builders found any suitable bellows to cover up the slots in >the firewall??? I have looked all over the web and found nothing. Both my >snowmobiles, ones a Polaris and the other is a cat and the steering boots are >close but not long enough. The slots in an 801 are 3/4" wide by 4" long. >There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen >something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:30 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Canopy lock --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Perry, I just posted it to the photo share. according to the instructions it might be a couple of days before it is up. Tim Shankland PerryChappano wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: PerryChappano > >Tim, > >I suspect a few more of us might be interested in your set-up. Please post >it for all with photos if you can. > >Thanks! > >Perry Chappano >N9961 - 601XL > >Michel Therrien wrote: > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien >> >>Thanks Tim, this is the type of information I'm >>looking for. Could you send me details of how your >>doing this? >> >>BTW, I recognize that if I want to open the canopy, >>all I need is a screwdriver and push the lever >>extension of the canopy latch from outside (on each >>side)... easy, but not everyone that walk around the >>plane in fly ins know that. >> >>Michel >> >>--- Tim & Diane Shankland wrote: >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane >>>Shankland >>> >>>Michel, >>>Yes , I installed one on mine. I'm building a 601HD >>>but I installed a >>>front tilting canopy. I know that if really wants to >>>get in they can >>>break the canopy or for that matter come through the >>>side with a can >>>opener. My concern is when I go to a fly-in or >>>similar event I want to >>>be able to leave my "stuff" in the plane and not >>>worry about someone >>>reaching in a helping themselves. Besides I'm also >>>designing an >>>accessory that will let me lock it with it open >>>about an inch. >>> >>>Tim Shankland >>> >>>Michel Therrien wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello all! >>>> >>>>I'd like to know if anyone installed or plan to >>>>install a lock that would prevent (or at least try >>>> >>>> >>>to >>> >>> >>>>influence) an auothorized visitor from opening the >>>>canopy (built as per the 601 XL plans). How did >>>> >>>> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>(or do you plan to ) do that? >>>> >>>>Michel >>>> >>>> >>>>===== >>>>---------------------------- >>>>Michel Therrien CH601-HD >>>> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby >>> >>> >>>> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Contributions >>>any other >>>Forums. >>> >>>latest messages. >>>List members. >>> >>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription >>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm >>>Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list >>>http://www.matronics.com/archives >>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare >>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>===== >>---------------------------- >>Michel Therrien CH601-HD >> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 >> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby >> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:32 PM PST US From: "Pete Ferguson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where to ground? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Ferguson" My two cents... ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm working on the wiring for my rudder (trim tab and nav light), but this question applies in other places as well. It seems to me there are at least three places I can ground the nav light on the rudder - (1) on the rudder itself, (2) by running a ground wire from the light into the aft fuselage and grounding it there, and (3) by running the ground wire all the way to the front. The first option seems to be a little iffy, since there isn't a firm connection between the rudder and the fuselage (it all has to go through the hinges). The last one, running the wire all the way to the front, seems to be wasteful. What are you other builders doing about this kind of thing? Ground to the L angle in the tail. This is how the factory ( Zenith ) grounded their position light. Metal aircraft are "naturally" bonded with negative airframe. If you are using the Ray Allen servo on your elevator trim, us the all-in-wire and ground up front. Works for me.....as to the corrosion....never heard that one.... Pete Ferguson N601PK Almost there ! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:09 PM PST US From: "Pete Ferguson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Ferguson" > There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen > something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. Ben - Go to your local junk yard and seek out a VW .. They have some wonderful boots on their heater controls and other linkages.. Also check a motor cycle shop in the neighborhood... lot's of bellow type covers on shifters and the like... Pete Ferguson N601PK Almost there ! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:39 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > Has any Zenith builders found any suitable bellows to cover up the slots in > the firewall??? I have looked all over the web and found nothing. Both my > snowmobiles, ones a Polaris and the other is a cat and the steering boots are > close but not long enough. The slots in an 801 are 3/4" wide by 4" long. > There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen > something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. > I made a set of steel covers for the steering slots. I riveted a steel strip on both sides of each slot with a brass shim between the strip and the firewall. The shim is slightly thicker than the slot cover. The sides of the cover are sandwiched between the strips and the firewall and fit loose enough allow the covers to slide vertically and also allow some side to side movement. The steering rods pass through nylon bushings in the covers. The part of each rod that slides through the bushing is covered with a length of lavatory supply tubing (chrome plated copper) held in place by a nut at each end. With the nose gear fully extended as it would be in flight, the cover completely closes off the slot. With weight on the gear, the bottom of the slot does get uncovered to some extent. I have pictures of the assembly but I haven't developed the roll yet. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior.