---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/11/03: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - Re: Archive CD (Matt Dralle) 2. 08:10 AM - 701 plans vs kit (g t) 3. 10:03 AM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Gary Gower) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (H. Robert Schoenberger) 5. 10:37 AM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (erictauch@attbi.com) 6. 10:55 AM - vw twin powered zenith () 7. 11:32 AM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (H. Robert Schoenberger) 8. 01:58 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (Grant Corriveau) 9. 03:04 PM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (Scott Laughlin) 10. 03:08 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (Randy Stout) 11. 03:17 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith () 12. 03:40 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 13. 03:49 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (Rick) 14. 04:05 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Bill Shirley Mitchell) 15. 04:10 PM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (Larry C. McFarland) 16. 04:16 PM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (Fred Poor) 17. 04:20 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Larry C. McFarland) 18. 04:32 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Fred or Sandy Hulen) 19. 04:47 PM - Re: Bellows for the steering slots (Carlos Sa) 20. 06:09 PM - Re: 701 plans vs kit (Gary Gower) 21. 06:57 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 22. 07:00 PM - Re: vw twin powered zenith (Pete Ferguson) 23. 09:05 PM - [ Tim & Diane Shankland ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:21 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Archive CD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hello everyone, There have been a couple of other people asking this question too, so I've created some liner notes that should help you get going down the right path. See the following PDF: http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM/Instructions.pdf Best regards, Matt Dralle At 01:23 PM 2/10/2003 Monday, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" > >List . . . I have recently received the archive CD which was a part of >the donation process to Matt. There are no setup or use instructions so >any advice on how to get this CD up and running will be greatly >appreciated. Thanks in advance. Hap Schoenberger 701 tail completed, >working on wings. Do not archive. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's; there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth... Don Henley Long Way Home, 1982 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:34 AM PST US From: g t Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t I have been researching this idea for years. I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least get my feet wet. I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and enjoying nature, where no man has gone before. I have only flown once with more than one passenger aboard I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), but don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex appeal. Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month Still debating on scratch build or kit build. Never having built before leads me to the kit option. But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch building. From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, just time consuming????? So why I am here? How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a significant amount of experience? Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to volume buy and resell? Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you are not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, etc.) Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" ideas. Thanks for the information on this site. It really demonstrates the need for being detailed. Its great to become a part of this site. Tom --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:05 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Tim, I am shure all of us will appreciate very much to see the photos. Maybe you could post them in the photoshare. Thank you in advance Gary Gower 701 912S. --- Tim & Diane Shankland wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland > > > Ben, > > I thought about those slots for a long time, since they are through > the > "firewall" I wanted them to be fireproof. I went through all sorts of > > ideas some quite complex until I had that moment of inspiration The > slots only need to be closed when you are flying! When you on the > ground > the low speed will not cause much airflow and when you are flying the > > steering rods are always at the bottom. What I made is a narrow door > over each slot pivoted at the top with a spring holding it closed. > There > is a small triangular opening for the rod it pass and when you land > the > upward movement of the rod opens the door. I also put a piece of > aluminum tubing over a part of the steering rods held in place with a > > couple of nuts to keep it from sawing into the door. I have pictures > if > you are interested. > > > Tim Shankland > > Benford2@aol.com wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > > >Has any Zenith builders found any suitable bellows to cover up the > slots in > >the firewall??? I have looked all over the web and found nothing. > Both my > >snowmobiles, ones a Polaris and the other is a cat and the steering > boots are > >close but not long enough. The slots in an 801 are 3/4" wide by 4" > long. > >There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. > Anybody seen > >something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:39 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Tom . . . I think your rudder workshop in Mexico will answer a lot of your questions and steer you in the right direction. When Zenith (or any other mfgr.) gives an estimate of say 450 hrs. to complete the kit, I can almost guarantee that if you do not have metal working experience as I didn't that it will take you a minimum of 2 times and more probably 3 times the factory estimate to complete the project. I think by build time they mean the actual physical construction, i. e., aligning pieces from the kit, riveting, corrosion proofing, skinning, etc. I find I spend at least an equal amount of time studying the plans and making sure I'm not doing something stupid to ruin a kit part. Please understand I'm not complaining - the Zenith kit is a great product, and they have been very good on tech support. I recommend their planes with hesitation. But . . . I'm 66 and awfully glad I'm not scratch building as I do want to fly my bird. Good luck in reaching the right decision for you. Hap Schoenberger. 701 tail completed, working on the right wing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g t" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit > --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t > > I have been researching this idea for years. > I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least get my feet wet. > I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and enjoying nature, where no man has gone before. > I have only flown once with more than one passenger aboard > I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), but don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) > > So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex appeal. > Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month > > Still debating on scratch build or kit build. > Never having built before leads me to the kit option. > But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch building. > From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, just > time consuming????? > > So why I am here? > How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? > Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a significant > amount of experience? > Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to volume > buy and resell? > Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you are > not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, etc.) > > Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" ideas. > Thanks for the information on this site. It really demonstrates the need for being detailed. Its great to become a part of this site. > > Tom > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:18 AM PST US From: erictauch@attbi.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: erictauch@attbi.com Hi, I relate to your story, but in the end I just dont have enough time to plans build. It will take you a looonnnnggg time to build up from the kit. The plans will be atleast twice that. Unless your situation is one of $$ or a love of building, I'd get the kit. My problem is too many other hobbies (not enough time for even the kit). HTH, Eric Tauch ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:33 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: When one won't do the job, try two. http://www.greatplainsas.com/vwjguy.html do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:48 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" CORRECTION - My reply below in the second paragraph should have read " I recommend their planes WITHOUT hesitation. Hap Schoenberger ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" > > Tom . . . I think your rudder workshop in Mexico will answer a lot of your > questions and steer you in the right direction. When Zenith (or any other > mfgr.) gives an estimate of say 450 hrs. to complete the kit, I can almost > guarantee that if you do not have metal working experience as I didn't that > it will take you a minimum of 2 times and more probably 3 times the factory > estimate to complete the project. I think by build time they mean the > actual physical construction, i. e., aligning pieces from the kit, riveting, > corrosion proofing, skinning, etc. I find I spend at least an equal amount > of time studying the plans and making sure I'm not doing something stupid to > ruin a kit part. > > Please understand I'm not complaining - the Zenith kit is a great product, > and they have been very good on tech support. I recommend their planes with > hesitation. But . . . I'm 66 and awfully glad I'm not scratch building as I > do want to fly my bird. Good luck in reaching the right decision for you. > Hap Schoenberger. 701 tail completed, working on the right wing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g t" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t > > > > I have been researching this idea for years. > > I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least get my feet wet. > > I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and enjoying nature, where no > man has gone before. > > I have only flown once with more than one passenger aboard > > I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), but > don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) > > > > So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex > appeal. > > Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month > > > > Still debating on scratch build or kit build. > > Never having built before leads me to the kit option. > > But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch > building. > > From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, just > > time consuming????? > > > > So why I am here? > > How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? > > Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a significant > > amount of experience? > > Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to > volume > > buy and resell? > > Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you are > > not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, etc.) > > > > Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" ideas. > > Thanks for the information on this site. It really demonstrates the need > for being detailed. Its great to become a part of this site. > > > > Tom > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau on 03/02/11 13:54, ushvac@ushvac.com at ushvac@ushvac.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > When one won't do the job, try two. > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/vwjguy.html > Great concept - could beat Zenth's 620 to the market! Keep us posted on how it works out. Any idea of the HP of each engine? -- Grant Corriveau Montreal Zodiac 601hds/CAM100 C-GHTF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:10 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Tom: I have said before on this board, the rudder school is a great experience. Make a list of questions and bring your camera. You will have a great time. The demo flight will answer a lot of your questions also. Try to get a ride in the 601xl also for a comparison - don't forget to ask them to do slow flight and maybe a high-altitude stall. Good luck! Scot Laughlin 601XL Ser. #6-5074 Rudder Complete ----Original Message Follows---- From: g t Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t I have been researching this idea for years. I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least get my feet wet. I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and enjoying nature, where no man has gone before. I have only flown once with more than one passenger aboard I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), but don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex appeal. Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month Still debating on scratch build or kit build. Never having built before leads me to the kit option. But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch building. From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, just time consuming????? So why I am here? How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a significant amount of experience? Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to volume buy and resell? Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you are not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, etc.) Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" ideas. Thanks for the information on this site. It really demonstrates the need for being detailed. Its great to become a part of this site. Tom --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:10 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" This plane has 2, 1600cc vw engines on it. They are normally rated at 50hp each. Since he has a redrive on them, I guess he might get a little more power from them. Randy Stout CH 601 HD r5t0ut@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > Great concept - could beat Zenth's 620 to the market! Keep us posted on how > it works out. Any idea of the HP of each engine? > > -- > Grant Corriveau > Montreal > Zodiac 601hds/CAM100 > C-GHTF > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:47 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: I don't have any information other than what is posted on GPASC website. The info on GPASC indicates he is using two 1600cc vw's. GPASC publishes the 1600cc at 57 hp direct drive at 3600 rpm takeoff. Even with a 1.3 reduction drive it seems to me that one engine alone won't keep the twin engine zodiac 601 HDS (?) in the air which is one of the main points of having twin engines. Also, what kind of stresses would be present in the event of an engine out? I would be curious to know what modifications were made to the center wing to accommodate wing mounted engines (custom modifications or gemini 620 prototype design). The weight in pounds of one 1600cc engine is 160lbs and then you have to add the reduction drive weight. Thus these two engines together must exceed 350lbs. (The specifications for the gemini 620 call for two jabiru 2200 80 hp engines). Perhaps Jeff Guy is on this list or someone who knows him can provide some information on this interesting modification? Joe 601 HDS 2276cc VW do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > on 03/02/11 13:54, ushvac@ushvac.com at ushvac@ushvac.com wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > > When one won't do the job, try two. > > > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/vwjguy.html > > > > Great concept - could beat Zenth's 620 to the market! Keep us posted on how > it works out. Any idea of the HP of each engine? > > -- > Grant Corriveau > Montreal > Zodiac 601hds/CAM100 > C-GHTF > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:09 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" I would hope so! The real reason for a twin (I assume 'cos I don't fly one) is to have a redundant engine to get you to an airport if one of the croaks. Can you imagine trying to fly the thing on 50hp (less at altitude) with a large measure of assymetric thrust? Think I would prefer the glider method! Frank 601HDS 280 hours Stratus Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Randy Stout [mailto:r5t0ut@earthlink.net] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" This plane has 2, 1600cc vw engines on it. They are normally rated at 50hp each. Since he has a redrive on them, I guess he might get a little more power from them. Randy Stout CH 601 HD r5t0ut@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > Great concept - could beat Zenth's 620 to the market! Keep us posted > on how > it works out. Any idea of the HP of each engine? > > -- > Grant Corriveau > Montreal > Zodiac 601hds/CAM100 > C-GHTF > advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:11 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick ushvac@ushvac.com wrote:The > info on GPASC indicates he is using two 1600cc vw's. GPASC publishes the > 1600cc at 57 hp direct drive at 3600 rpm takeoff. Even with a 1.3 reduction > drive it seems to me that one engine alone won't keep the twin engine zodiac > 601 HDS (?) in the air which is one of the main points of having twin > engines. I dunno about keeping the plane in the air... I always heard that the purpose of the second engine was to carry the aircraft to the crash site. Rick do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:18 PM PST US From: Bill Shirley Mitchell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Shirley Mitchell Go to www.tnwings.com they have them for sale. I just bought a set. Bill Mitchell 601HDS O-200 on electrical Pete Ferguson wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Ferguson" > There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen > something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. Ben - Go to your local junk yard and seek out a VW .. They have some wonderful boots on their heater controls and other linkages.. Also check a motor cycle shop in the neighborhood... lot's of bellow type covers on shifters and the like... Pete Ferguson N601PK Almost there ! --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:38 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit Tom, The 701 is one of the most awsome flying birds available especially in takeoffs and landings. Scratch building is equal to bucking rivets in a RV type kit. Probably a little more intense. > I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), but don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) > So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex appeal. > Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month You don't have to decide right away. Do the rudder workshop and then order another part of the kit until you can feel comfortable with making forms and your own pieces. > Still debating on scratch build or kit build. > Never having built before leads me to the kit option. > But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch building. > From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, just > time consuming????? It does take an inordinate amount of time to make forms and tooling to get around to making parts. You should enjoy building as much as flying and fly something else periodically just to stay current. If you wait for the completion of a scratch build to fly, you'll forget how before you're done. > So why I am here? > How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? > Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a significant > amount of experience? Initially, the plans left a lot to be desired, but recent AutoCAD drawings have improved the readability and corrected a lot of problems. None of it would be cause to avoid scratch building if you read drawings and look well ahead of things. > Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to volume > buy and resell? There is precious little in cost-savings to scratch build because you will have a lot of sweat equity and blood in the effort. Kits finish somewhere between 1 to 3 years, scratch builders get out there after 3 to 5 years and some a lot longer. Scratch building for me is obsessive and a relief from work and I fly every other week with good weather. I enjoy both immensely and I'll miss the project aspect when it flys. > Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you are > not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, etc.) Zenith provides a basic cost to everything without regard to individual part or kit and they have been good for early hand-holding whether you kit or scratch. You provide all the incentive, drive and progress, so do the workshop and get off to a good start. The Zenith people are great. Hope this helps. If you want to look further, I've a web site on construction of a Zenith 601 with a journal that is passing 175 pages covering 3-1/2 years and a hundred pictures or so that grows each day. See http://www.macsmachine.com Larry C. McFarland - 601hds at 80% ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:11 PM PST US From: Fred Poor Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor --- g t wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t > > > I have been researching this idea for years. > I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least > get my feet wet. > I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and > enjoying nature, where no man has gone before. > I have only flown once with more than one passenger > aboard > I love building things (woodworker as hobby, > engineer by profession), but don't want to do it the > hard way (bucking rivets) > > So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not > having speed or sex appeal. > Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of > this month > > Still debating on scratch build or kit build. > Never having built before leads me to the kit > option. > But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending > towards the scratch building. > From what I can tell, scratch building is not > "technically" complex, just > time consuming????? > > So why I am here? > How much more time consuming is scratch building > vesus kit building? At least twice as long------- > Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld > without a significant > amount of experience? yes > Is scratch building really "cost effective" given > zeniths ability to volume > buy and resell? Yes, not counting labor > Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost > effectively if you are > not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long > bent items, etc.) Yes-- you can but the whole kit or any one piece form Zenith Aircraft Co--- A great bunch of folks to deal with---- "fred" > > Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" > ideas. > Thanks for the information on this site. It really > demonstrates the need for being detailed. Its great > to become a part of this site. > > Tom > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:13 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" Ben, I did a 3-piece sandwich that is slotted front and back with a piece that is grommeted at it's center. Thicker pieces at the edges to allow the center piece to slide up and down without much leakage. I used aluminum, but fiberfrax as cover with a slit in it. The extreme top is bolted and the bottom back piece is angled to bolt thru the floor. Fiberfrax will be added at the forward face to do the thermal thing. Larry C. McFarland - 601hds. Subject: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > Has any Zenith builders found any suitable bellows to cover up the slots in > the firewall??? I have looked all over the web and found nothing. Both my > snowmobiles, ones a Polaris and the other is a cat and the steering boots are > close but not long enough. The slots in an 801 are 3/4" wide by 4" long. > There has to be an application that has a boot that will work. Anybody seen > something anywhere? Ben Haas. N801BH. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:31 PM PST US From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" > Go to www.tnwings.com they have them for sale. I just bought a set. > Bill Mitchell ++ Bill, I tried to find them there, but didn't succeed. The one icon I couldn't get to work was "Misc". It kept coming up with the message "sorry, not items available under blankets and throws" Where in the site did you find them? Thanks Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:40 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bellows for the steering slots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Click on "Interiors" (on top) and scroll down... > > Go to www.tnwings.com they have them for sale. I just bought a set. > > Bill Mitchell > > ++ Bill, I tried to find them there, but didn't succeed. The one icon I > couldn't get to work was "Misc". It kept coming up with the message "sorry, > not items available under blankets and throws" Where in the site did you > find them? Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:33 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Just thinking a little... I guesstimate about 1 year or partime to build a kit (maybe less) by one person with an ocasional helper, and about 3 years to scratch built (maybe more), making the "plugs" takes a lot of time, but no first hand experience, only built the plug for the firewall. The Kit costs about 13,000.00 and when scratch building maybe about 80% for material costs (or less if you are really good in calculate material volume) lots of left overs because it will be almost imposible to estimate de EXACT amout to buy) and aviation material (6061 T6 and cromoly) is expensive. I have already built two plans built airplanes (nor Zenith of corse). I will make myself this question: Saving about 3,000.00 from the kit price... how much money can you make working part time in the remaining 2 years, once the kit is finished? Just a point of view... Maybe not valid or complete inacurrate in estimates :-) On the other side, scratch building is lots of fun, when you already have something to fly in, and not in a hurry, or really no extra money, (rasing a family with an anti-aircraft wife :-). Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Scott Laughlin wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > > Tom: > > I have said before on this board, the rudder school is a great > experience. > Make a list of questions and bring your camera. You will have a great > time. > The demo flight will answer a lot of your questions also. Try to get > a ride > in the 601xl also for a comparison - don't forget to ask them to do > slow > flight and maybe a high-altitude stall. > > Good luck! > > Scot Laughlin > 601XL Ser. #6-5074 > Rudder Complete > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: g t > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: 701 plans vs kit > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:09:01 -0800 (PST) > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t > > I have been researching this idea for years. > I am getting ready to take the plunge, or at least get my feet wet. > I have fantasies of landing in the boondocks and enjoying nature, > where no > man has gone before. > I have only flown once with more than one passenger aboard > I love building things (woodworker as hobby, engineer by profession), > but > don't want to do it the hard way (bucking rivets) > > So the 701 looks perfect, if I can get over not having speed or sex > appeal. > Planning on going to the rudder school at the end of this month > > Still debating on scratch build or kit build. > Never having built before leads me to the kit option. > But, being intrigued by a challenge, I am tending towards the scratch > > building. > From what I can tell, scratch building is not "technically" complex, > just > time consuming????? > > So why I am here? > How much more time consuming is scratch building vesus kit building? > Are the 701 plans done well enough to scratch builld without a > significant > amount of experience? > Is scratch building really "cost effective" given zeniths ability to > volume > buy and resell? > Can some components be purchased from Zenith cost effectively if you > are > not buying the Whole kit (ie center wing spars, long bent items, > etc.) > > Would love to hear some thoughts on these "general" ideas. > Thanks for the information on this site. It really demonstrates the > need > for being detailed. Its great to become a part of this site. > > Tom > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:16 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, ushvac@ushvac.com writes: > > When one won't do the job, try two. > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/vwjguy.html > > do not archive WOW..........! How KOOL is that plane. One question though? What did he do to get the proper balance. Or did the weight of the two engines forward of the center of gravity make up for the weight of one up front. John W. Tarabocchia (407) 709-7255 http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder N6042T 90hrs Flown..... ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:32 PM PST US From: "Pete Ferguson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw twin powered zenith --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Ferguson" Wow ! just add two engines to a 601 and you have a twin....... Hey I bet that works with Cessna 152s also.... just bolt em on and go... Pete @ushvac.com> > > When one won't do the job, try two. > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/vwjguy.html > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [ Tim & Diane Shankland ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! 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