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1. 09:22 AM - Re: Steering rods doors. (wizard-24@juno.com)
2. 11:34 AM - Rudder Pedals (John Hartlen)
3. 04:55 PM - Rudder horn goof-up (David Barth)
4. 04:57 PM - remove my name from your list ()
5. 05:50 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
6. 06:19 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Bruce Thomas)
7. 06:21 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Larry C. McFarland)
8. 07:01 PM - Corrosion protection (Mark Stauffer)
9. 07:48 PM - Re: Steering rods doors. (Tim & Diane Shankland)
10. 08:32 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Jim Cantrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rods doors. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> include an optional firewall steering box that has sliding covers
> over the steering rod slots. The plans show the contruction of a 4
sided box
> that is placed against the inside of the fire wall and is attached the
> floor. The box has slots for the steering rods and has covers that
have a
> matching slot. Between the cover and the box is a steering box slide.
The
> part numbers for the components are:
>
> 640-F-7-3 Firewall Steering Box
> 640-F-7-5 Steering Box Slide (2 required)
> 640-F-7-6 Slide Cover (2 required)
Interesting. I wonder if these parts are adaptable to the 601 series as
well? Anyone seen this setup yet?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Hartlen <john.hartlen@sw.edu>
Hi List. I recently purchased an unfinished 601HD kit. I'm about 6' 2" tall
and was wondering if anyone can tell me how far forward I can move the
rudder pedals to give me more leg room. The plans give a measurement of 28mm
and state this measurement is for short legged people but give no
measurements for how far forward you can actually move them and still be
able to maintain clearance for braking when the pedal is pushed fully
forward.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hello list.
I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
myself, I know how much work it will be to make
another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
it.
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | remove my name from your list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jaxdiana@bellsouth.net>
Dear Sirs,
Where did you get my address from ? I am not interested
in anything concerning your site.
Goodbye Please
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
I may get hung out to dry for this comment, but I wouldn't worry about it.
Use a larger bolt. Less aluminum means a savings in weight. Rivet another
piece on each end of the horn (more weight) and drill the 3/16th hole.
Let it rest a day or two, walk around it from the other direction, have
another cup of coffee.
Get the attaching hardware out and look at that. You can see if you REALLY
made a mess or just enlarged the hole.
Zed Smith
701/R914
do NOT archive
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| Subject: | Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Thomas" <thomas@day.net.au>
David all is not lost.
I am using SURELUBE sintered bronze bushes throughout my 701. the bush
dimentions are 1/4"O/D 3/16"I/D and 3/16"long the product # is C0608-2. I
obtained them from a bearing company and I am sure that they would be
available in the USA. They fit perfectly and give lifetime permanent oiling
to the pin or bolt fixing, and when they wear out they can be replaced.
Bruce Thomas 701 nearly completed Australia
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn goof-up
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hello list.
I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
myself, I know how much work it will be to make
another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
it.
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
David,
Zenith uses 1/4" O.D. 3/16 i.d. 4130 tube to bush 1/4" holes for
several components which include the stick and rudder. You might consider
the
same approach. I'm sitting here looking at a rudder horn that is on
my shelf that's perfect but for horns a 1/4" longer than called for.
I feel your pain, but this is what it's all about. I'd do it over, because
it's one of the least difficult lessons you'll learn while building this
plane.
Respectfully,
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds @ http://www.macsmachine.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn goof-up
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello list.
> I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
> the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
> the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
> where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
> might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
> myself, I know how much work it will be to make
> another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
> it.
> Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> David
>
>
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| Subject: | Corrosion protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Fellow builders,
I apologize if this is a stupid question.
At the moment I'm using Tempo spray on Zinc Oxide Primer. The can states
"...provides maximum bonding to bare aluminum and steel." A friend of mine
mentioned the other day that he thought that if the primer isn't "self
etching" then you needed to use a conversion coat such as Alodyn. There are
self etching primers out there, one being Mar Hyde (I believe that the
brand).
Now, I can't find any reference to "self etching" on my trusty can of Tempo
Zinc Oxide. Also, ZAC mentions nothing about self etching primers or using
Alodyn before using a corrosion prohibitor. They just talk about scuffing
with a Scotch-Brite pad and degreasing with lacquer thinner or MEK.
Bottom line what are your experiences?
Mark
601XL SN 4999
Tail and right flap done
Working on left flap
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rods doors. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
Perry,
With the pivot placed high enough and slightly outside of the slots the
rods can travel their full distance. As I mentioned in my first e-mail
one of my considerations is the firewall aspect, I wanted something that
would also be fireproof. Regarding the chatter, a close look at the rods
will show a piece of aluminum tubing over the area that rubs the doors
or the edge. This prevents the sawing action of the treaded rod.
Tim Shankland
Dr. Perry Morrison wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <prm@softhome.net>
>
>Am I missing something here?
>
>I've looked at these photos and wondered if there was sufficient clearance
>for the vertical movement of the steering rods. I currently fly with
>no covers at all- and after flights of 3 hrs have experienced no effects.
>However I have appreciated the depth of travel available on some rough
>strips. Indeed, I've often heard the rods "chatter" on takeoff on rough
>strips as they vibrate against the cutout edges. I think brushes or
>overlapping
>rubber is a better solution.
>
>Just my 1/2 cent (with the Oz exchange range)
>
>Perry Morrison
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Steering rods doors.
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hello Tim (Shankland),
>>
>>
>>Your steering doors design in the photo share are GREAT!
>>
>>There will be in our 701. We appreciate very much the photos.
>>
>>Any year (not this one, we will not be able to go) if we ever meet in
>>person at S&F or Oskosh, I will invite you a (Corona) beer and
>>dinner...
>>
>>This was something we were going around thinking how to close these
>>gaps, easy, light and secure (not jam the steering or shocking
>>movement).
>>
>>It is important for us, here climate is hot in summer so we didnt want
>>this "heater blower" in our feet when flying.
>>
>>Saludos
>>Gary Gower
>>701 912S
>>Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. (where the Corona Beer factory is)
>>
>>
>>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Cantrell" <jcant@sonet.net>
David,
You can obtain oil impreginated bronze bushings form Motion Industries, Inc.
They have branch locations in just about every state, if you will e-mail me
offline where you are located I will get back to you with the location near
to you.
Jim Cantrell
jcant@sonet.net
----- Original Message -----
From: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn goof-up
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello list.
> I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
> the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
> the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
> where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
> might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
> myself, I know how much work it will be to make
> another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
> it.
> Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> David
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Currently making parts.
> Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
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