Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:26 AM - Corrosion Resistance (charles.long@gm.com)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
3. 07:13 AM - Holes in the firewall (Mark A. Wood)
4. 11:10 AM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Leo Gates)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (David Barth)
6. 02:47 PM - Re: Corrosion Resistance (Aaron)
7. 03:20 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (mark.townsend)
8. 03:58 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Jackie B. Johnson)
9. 04:13 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up (Gary Gower)
10. 05:46 PM - Wing Storage Cradle (Ed Kramer)
11. 06:11 PM - Re: Wing Storage Cradle (Gary Gower)
12. 07:28 PM - Re: Rudder horn goof-up/ she'll fly (Fred Poor)
13. 07:28 PM - ELT - Location & Suggestion (Don Honabach)
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| Subject: | Corrosion Resistance |
02/26/2003 08:24:48 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Have been using the Red Scotch Brite Pads to shine up the surface
(remove surface oxidation), then clean with Acetone (less toxic than MEK &
Lacquer Thinner). Been brushing on thinned out Stronium Chromate (1 part
primer, 1 part hardener, 2 parts Laquer Thinner). Stuff sticks good and
appears to hold up pretty well. I assume Zinc Chromate works equally well.
I use gloves and a respirator with garage doors open for health reasons.
Only coating mating surfaces. From what everyone says about the corrosion
resistance of 6061T6, the priming could probably be eliminated altogether
unless you live in a coastal area.
Chuck Long
HDS 80%
complete
Now, I can't find any reference to "self etching" on my trusty can of Tempo
Zinc Oxide. Also, ZAC mentions nothing about self etching primers or using
Alodyn before using a corrosion prohibitor. They just talk about scuffing
with a Scotch-Brite pad and degreasing with lacquer thinner or MEK.
Bottom line what are your experiences?
Mark
601XL SN 4999
Tail and right flap done
Working on left flap
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| Subject: | Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Take hart David,
Many kit manufactures over size the holes for the rudder cables, and put in
a flange bushing. This bushing is pressed in and is a replaceable wear
point. ACE is the place has oil impregnated bronze that will do
wonderfully.
Noel and Yoshie Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
"We do builder assistance!"
Toll Free: 866-859-0390
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www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn goof-up
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hello list.
I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
myself, I know how much work it will be to make
another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
it.
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Holes in the firewall |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
Hello all.
With the talk about the steering rods and CO issues I have been
thinking about other holes in my firewall. I am using an O-200 and I
need to hook up a heating system. I have a heat exchanger and I am
putting together a mixing box for hot and cold air. I am just a
little unsure about the idea of a 2in. Dia hole in my firewall to
bring the air in.
I assume I should seal a metal tube through the firewall and connect
red flex tubing to both sides of this. Anyone have any other good
bits of info to share on this?
Thanks
Mark Wood
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@ev1.net>
John Hartlen wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Hartlen <john.hartlen@sw.edu>
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>Hi List. I recently purchased an unfinished 601HD kit. I'm about 6' 2" tall
>and was wondering if anyone can tell me how far forward I can move the
>rudder pedals to give me more leg room. The plans give a measurement of 28mm
>and state this measurement is for short legged people but give no
>measurements for how far forward you can actually move them and still be
>able to maintain clearance for braking when the pedal is pushed fully
>forward.
>
>Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
I E-mailed Zenith a couple of years ago - I think the answer was you can
move the rudder pedals forward 50 mm.
I moved mine forward 45 mm. I have ample clearance from the firewall. I
also moved the seat back rearward 50 mm.
Leo Gates
CH601HDS, N601Z
90% done
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Thank you everyone for your your helpful suggestions.
I get the idea that I am not the only one to make
silly mistakes from time to time. Thanks for that
too. It is somewhat motivating to know that people
who are flying homebuilts today made mistakes in the
process but still managed to get airborne eventually.
Happy building.
David
do not archive
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Resistance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
A professional painter friend of mine told me that before any paint is
applied the surface should be scrubbed with Scotch Brite and wax and grease
remover(mine is PPG brand DX330). Don't let it get dry. Then wipe with
paper towel saturated with same in one direction then wipe dry with cleane
paper towel in one direction only. Clean part or new towel for each wipe.
Any other way just chases the greasy fingerprints around. And any grease
will eventually lift the paint. He also said lacuer thinner won't work.
Aaron
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mark.townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
> David,
> You can obtain oil impreginated bronze bushings form Motion Industries,
Inc.
> They have branch locations in just about every state, if you will e-mail
me
> offline where you are located I will get back to you with the location
near
> to you.
> Jim Cantrell
Jim
Closest one to David would be 500 Weber street Waterloo, great thought on a
repair.
Mark
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson" <zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
Could probably drill the matching fitting from 3/16 to .25 and use 1/4 bolt
instead of 3/16..
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder horn goof-up
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello list.
> I have just made a totally avoidable error amd drilled
> the holes in the rudder horn to 1/4 inch instead of
> the 3/16 called for in the plans. These are the holes
> where the rudder cables attach. Any advice on how I
> might be able to salvage this part. Having made it
> myself, I know how much work it will be to make
> another one - and it was so beautiful I hate to turf
> it.
> Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> David
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Currently making parts.
> Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello David:
Sometimes there are parts that have to be re-done, in our case we made
a "mirror" mistake. In the "U" piece that suports the stabilator where
the main hinge goes, has a set of holes, we drilled them in the oposite
side. So that piece had to be redone, lucky we had some material and
we bend it with our hidraulic 10' press.
Since then we have made only a couple minor mistakes that were easily
solved or redone.
The most dificult part of building a Zenith plane is double check the
plans to not make over confidence mistakes.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Guadalajara, Jalisco Mexico
do not archive
d
--- David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
> <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Thank you everyone for your your helpful suggestions.
> I get the idea that I am not the only one to make
> silly mistakes from time to time. Thanks for that
> too. It is somewhat motivating to know that people
> who are flying homebuilts today made mistakes in the
> process but still managed to get airborne eventually.
>
> Happy building.
> David
> do not archive
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Currently making parts.
> Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Wing Storage Cradle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edkramer@prodigy.net>
List,
I finally finished the first wing on my 701 kit and I'm looking to build a storage
cradle for both wings. Does anyone have a source for a good set of plans
for a wing storage cradle?
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edkramer@prodigy.net
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Storage Cradle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Just for storage, you can hang them with a piece of rug around the
leading edge, got this idea from Mr Milholland's trailer (Legal Eagle
Ultralight).
He uses the rug in the wall of his trailer, one side fixed and the
other with a hook. He crosses the wings with bongee against the wall
(padded) so they will keep the wings from moving sideways and hitting
the walls on the road.
I will hang the wings from the roof with similar rug strips, I will let
you know how it works (will post photos).
In fact we work on the fuselage hanging it fron the roof, to work
inside the control door.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Ed Kramer <edkramer@prodigy.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edkramer@prodigy.net>
>
> List,
> I finally finished the first wing on my 701 kit and I'm looking to
> build a storage cradle for both wings. Does anyone have a source for
> a good set of plans for a wing storage cradle?
>
> Ed Kramer
> West Seneca, NY
> CH 701
> edkramer@prodigy.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder horn goof-up/ she'll fly |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
just would like to say--- "this is one of the areas
which make Chris's designs so GREAT--- when we "screw
up"-- usually (not always) there is an easy fix---
might not be as pretty-- BUT the damn thing will FLY
and do it SAFELY--- "fred" do not archive
--- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower
> <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello David:
>
> Sometimes there are parts that have to be re-done,
> in our case we made
> a "mirror" mistake. In the "U" piece that suports
> the stabilator where
> the main hinge goes, has a set of holes, we drilled
> them in the oposite
> side. So that piece had to be redone, lucky we had
> some material and
> we bend it with our hidraulic 10' press.
>
> Since then we have made only a couple minor mistakes
> that were easily
> solved or redone.
>
> The most dificult part of building a Zenith plane is
> double check the
> plans to not make over confidence mistakes.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> 701 912S
> Guadalajara, Jalisco Mexico
> do not archive
> d
> --- David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
> > <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thank you everyone for your your helpful
> suggestions.
> > I get the idea that I am not the only one to make
> > silly mistakes from time to time. Thanks for that
> > too. It is somewhat motivating to know that
> people
> > who are flying homebuilts today made mistakes in
> the
> > process but still managed to get airborne
> eventually.
> >
> > Happy building.
> > David
> > do not archive
> >
> > =====
> > David Barth
> > 601 XL Plansbuilder
> > Currently making parts.
> > Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
> >
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | ELT - Location & Suggestion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Hi Everyone,
I'm getting ready to purchase an ELT for my 601 and was hoping for some
recommendations on the location for both the antenna and unit itself,
and which models have worked for others. I've read and talked with a few
builders that have put the ELT antenna right behind the rear baggage
locker floor bulkhead which sounded like a good idea. As for the unit
itself, my initial thoughts were to put the actual unit in the area
behind the 'seats' or somewhere in the baggage locker area. Also, does
anyone know if any regulations coming down the line that would make the
current basic models of ELTs obsolete.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Don Honabach
Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
http://zodiac.pcperfect.com
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