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1. 08:34 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (paulrod36)
2. 09:03 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (CLOJAN@aol.com)
3. 09:42 AM - Inertia Reel seat belts (Rick)
4. 10:01 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (Gene Ragan)
5. 04:02 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Fred Poor)
6. 04:56 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Bryan Martin)
7. 05:04 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Pinneo, George)
8. 06:23 PM - Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century (kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com)
9. 06:30 PM - Re: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST (Scott Laughlin)
10. 07:10 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Benford2@aol.com)
11. 07:48 PM - Sun-n-fun (Philip Polstra)
12. 11:01 PM - The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS (Don Honabach)
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| Subject: | Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" <paulrod36@msn.com>
I haven't gotten there yet, being still in the throes of working on the
wings, but I am in much the same boat (or plane). My thought on it was to
l;ook at the possibilities of building a shell seat, putting a piano hinge
at the front edge, possibly riveting to the forward flange of the wing spar
carrythrough, and then using either a scissors jack or jackscrew arrangement
to raise and lower the rear of the seat. It's not all thought out yet, but I
sort of envisioned using power window motors, with reversible switches.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL Corvaired
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From: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Seating adjustablity in the 601...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra"
<ppolstra@mindspring.com>
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> The only real way to adjust the seats is by using padding. You can also
> adjust the depth of the seat bottom during construction. I saw a shorter
> builder that made his seat deep, and then put styrofoam in the bottom,
> because he wanted to be able to accomodate taller passengers and pilots.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gene Z. Ragan" <diskzero@mac.com>
>
> I am looking into a variety of kits and for obvious reason the Zodiac is
> very interesting. One question
> I have is concerning the adjustability of seating in the 601. My wife and
I
> have no problem in the 152
> moving the seat back and forth to accomodate our difference in height,
which
> is a full 12 inches. How
> would this be achieved in the 601? It appears that the seat is fixed in
> position as it is structural to the
> fuselage.
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
We are not even close to the seats yet, but one of the Ercoupes in our coupe
group has a removable bucket seat that has 4 pins on the bottom and a track
with multiple holes drilled every 2-3 inches. To adjust the seat he just
lifts the seat out and places it in a closer hole. The buckets are from a
dune buggy.
Jack Russell Clovis CA
601xl
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| Subject: | Inertia Reel seat belts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Has anyone used an automotive seatbelt with the inertia reel shoulder
strap in their Zodiac? I'm thinking about installing one with the reel
under the cargo shelf and the shoulder strap coming out through a slot
in the seatback.
Any ideas, pictures, warnings, etc would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gene Ragan <diskzero@mac.com>
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 8:29 AM, paulrod36 wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" <paulrod36@msn.com>
>
> I haven't gotten there yet, being still in the throes of working on the
> wings, but I am in much the same boat (or plane). My thought on it
> was to
> l;ook at the possibilities of building a shell seat, putting a piano
> hinge
> at the front edge, possibly riveting to the forward flange of the wing
> spar
> carrythrough, and then using either a scissors jack or jackscrew
> arrangement
> to raise and lower the rear of the seat. It's not all thought out yet,
> but I
> sort of envisioned using power window motors, with reversible switches.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL Corvaired
>
Paul,
That is a cool idea. Let me know if you work out the details. I am
especially interested in
the weight!
Thanks.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
just a thought--- an automotive inertia seat belt DOES
NOT have the same type of locking divice as an
aircraft inertia seat belt--- i.e. the automotive
seat belt will not lock if you give the strap a QUICK
PULL (vehicle not moving) as aircraft (jet fighters)
will..
my opinion (and some think it not worth to much) is
that in a crash (other than straight on, the
automotive belt might not lock----- I thought about
using them on my first plane, and scratched the idea
for safety sakes. I bought mine out of "automotive/
hot rod magazine" (Hooker brand, I think)---- "fred"
do not archive
--- Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick
> <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
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>
> Has anyone used an automotive seatbelt with the
> inertia reel shoulder
> strap in their Zodiac? I'm thinking about installing
> one with the reel
> under the cargo shelf and the shoulder strap coming
> out through a slot
> in the seatback.
> Any ideas, pictures, warnings, etc would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
>
> just a thought--- an automotive inertia seat belt DOES
> NOT have the same type of locking divice as an
> aircraft inertia seat belt--- i.e. the automotive
> seat belt will not lock if you give the strap a QUICK
> PULL (vehicle not moving) as aircraft (jet fighters)
> will..
Some automotive seat belts do have this friction lock-up feature. Most have
a pendulum mechanism (inertia system) that locks up the reel when any
horizontal acceleration is experienced, some have both lock-up systems. My
new Dodge truck has both systems, the old Subaru I used to own had only the
inertia system.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
Keep it simple! This will add extra weight and complexity. The aircraft is specifically
not rated for aerobatics, not that you'd use an auto seatbelt for aerobatics,
of course. That'd be just about as smart as adapting an auto engine for
an airplane.
GGP
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| Subject: | Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM |
EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com
FYI MUST SEE. ON TLC (The Learning Channel)
Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century
I Just thought Most builders would want to see this!
Flight of the Century - The Teams
Sure the Wright Brothers' first flight looked a little clumsy. But can
today's aviation experts do any better with the same materials? Junkyard
Wars answers that very question with a special edition episode to
commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers' flight. We spanned
the world to find experts from Britain, France and the United States, and
put them on assignment. Their mission: to build vintage airplanes from the
1900s using retro rubbish and tools of the time ... in just 20 hours!
However, it's one thing to build the planes. These birds also have to fly,
and they'll be put to the test over a dry lakebed in California's Mojave
Desert. International pride is at stake too - the Americans won the
competition back in 1903, but which country will triumph in this 21st
century restaging?
Hosts Tyler Harcott and Karyn Bryant will be joined by Robert Llewelyn, host
of the United Kingdom's Scrapheap Challenge, in what promises to be the
Flight of the Century!
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/bio/bio.html
The American Eagles VS The British Buzzards VS The French Falcons.
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/flight.html
Schedule Here
http://tlc.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=54231
Sunday Mar 12 2003
9:00 PM EST
8:00 PM CST
Repeats Tonight 3/12/2003 at 11:00PM CST
Mar 13 2003 12:00 AM EST
Sunday Mar 16 2003
3:00 PM EST
2:00 PM CST
I Just thought Most builders would want to see this!
I Have to record this one. :)
Kevin Diehl
STOL 801
Don't Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST |
3PM EST
Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Kevin:
I'm watching it now. Great fun! I'm looking forward to seeing them get off
the ground!
Scott Laughlin
----Original Message Follows----
From: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST
3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com
FYI MUST SEE. ON TLC (The Learning Channel)
Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century
I Just thought Most builders would want to see this!
Flight of the Century - The Teams
Sure the Wright Brothers' first flight looked a little clumsy. But can
today's aviation experts do any better with the same materials? Junkyard
Wars answers that very question with a special edition episode to
commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers' flight. We spanned
the world to find experts from Britain, France and the United States, and
put them on assignment. Their mission: to build vintage airplanes from the
1900s using retro rubbish and tools of the time ... in just 20 hours!
However, it's one thing to build the planes. These birds also have to fly,
and they'll be put to the test over a dry lakebed in California's Mojave
Desert. International pride is at stake too - the Americans won the
competition back in 1903, but which country will triumph in this 21st
century restaging?
Hosts Tyler Harcott and Karyn Bryant will be joined by Robert Llewelyn, host
of the United Kingdom's Scrapheap Challenge, in what promises to be the
Flight of the Century!
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/bio/bio.html
The American Eagles VS The British Buzzards VS The French Falcons.
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/flight.html
Schedule Here
http://tlc.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=54231
Sunday Mar 12 2003
9:00 PM EST
8:00 PM CST
Repeats Tonight 3/12/2003 at 11:00PM CST
Mar 13 2003 12:00 AM EST
Sunday Mar 16 2003
3:00 PM EST
2:00 PM CST
I Just thought Most builders would want to see this!
I Have to record this one. :)
Kevin Diehl
STOL 801
Don't Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:04:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
George.Pinneo@trw.com writes:
> That'd be just about as smart as adapting an auto engine for an airplane.
>
Now you HURT my feelings !!!!!!!!!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
Anyone going to sun-n-fun this year? I might fly down in the 601HDS, if I'm
not taking an A&P course during my spring break.
Any 601 builders wanting a little flight time in a similar plane (CH2000)
might want to stop by RYY (Marietta, GA) on their way, or you could try
stopping at Eastman, GA where the CH2000 is made.
---
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| Subject: | The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Hey Guys,
Did some research on the rudder/brake pedals tonight and still wasn't
able to find all the answers in the archive. Was hoping that those that
are flying could provide some input...
- Is the default location good for 5'11 - 6' pilots? The instructions
indicate that the default position is for the short legged and that the
long legged should move them closer to the firewall. I was thinking
about moving them 10mm forward, but didn't know if this made any sense
and if in the real world the position of the pedals isn't a big deal
except for the really tall and short.
- Has the rudder/brake pedal not holding up still been an issue? I
remember reading about putting a corner gusset in place but wasn't sure
if this was necessary. If it's recommend, it would obviously be easier
to do before installing into the plane.
As a side note, installed my aileron control cables today. That was a
blast and extremely motivating. I ended up doing 2 nico sleeves for each
end which is probably way overkill, but I decided the little bit of
weight was worth the extra piece of mind. On the flip side, I watched
the turn of the century Junk Yard Wars this evening and they built
'old-time planes' using control cables that didn't even have oval
support brace and still only used one nico which still got a FAA
certificate.
Thanks!!!
Don Honabach
Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
http://zodiac.pcperfect.com
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