---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/12/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:34 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (paulrod36) 2. 09:03 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (CLOJAN@aol.com) 3. 09:42 AM - Inertia Reel seat belts (Rick) 4. 10:01 AM - Re: Seating adjustablity in the 601... (Gene Ragan) 5. 04:02 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Fred Poor) 6. 04:56 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Bryan Martin) 7. 05:04 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Pinneo, George) 8. 06:23 PM - Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century (kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com) 9. 06:30 PM - Re: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST (Scott Laughlin) 10. 07:10 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Benford2@aol.com) 11. 07:48 PM - Sun-n-fun (Philip Polstra) 12. 11:01 PM - The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS (Don Honabach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:12 AM PST US From: "paulrod36" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seating adjustablity in the 601... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" I haven't gotten there yet, being still in the throes of working on the wings, but I am in much the same boat (or plane). My thought on it was to l;ook at the possibilities of building a shell seat, putting a piano hinge at the front edge, possibly riveting to the forward flange of the wing spar carrythrough, and then using either a scissors jack or jackscrew arrangement to raise and lower the rear of the seat. It's not all thought out yet, but I sort of envisioned using power window motors, with reversible switches. Paul Rodriguez 601XL Corvaired ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Seating adjustablity in the 601... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" > > The only real way to adjust the seats is by using padding. You can also > adjust the depth of the seat bottom during construction. I saw a shorter > builder that made his seat deep, and then put styrofoam in the bottom, > because he wanted to be able to accomodate taller passengers and pilots. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gene Z. Ragan" > > I am looking into a variety of kits and for obvious reason the Zodiac is > very interesting. One question > I have is concerning the adjustability of seating in the 601. My wife and I > have no problem in the 152 > moving the seat back and forth to accomodate our difference in height, which > is a full 12 inches. How > would this be achieved in the 601? It appears that the seat is fixed in > position as it is structural to the > fuselage. > > > --- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:20 AM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seating adjustablity in the 601... --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com We are not even close to the seats yet, but one of the Ercoupes in our coupe group has a removable bucket seat that has 4 pins on the bottom and a track with multiple holes drilled every 2-3 inches. To adjust the seat he just lifts the seat out and places it in a closer hole. The buckets are from a dune buggy. Jack Russell Clovis CA 601xl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:29 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Has anyone used an automotive seatbelt with the inertia reel shoulder strap in their Zodiac? I'm thinking about installing one with the reel under the cargo shelf and the shoulder strap coming out through a slot in the seatback. Any ideas, pictures, warnings, etc would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:09 AM PST US From: Gene Ragan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seating adjustablity in the 601... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gene Ragan On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 8:29 AM, paulrod36 wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" > > I haven't gotten there yet, being still in the throes of working on the > wings, but I am in much the same boat (or plane). My thought on it > was to > l;ook at the possibilities of building a shell seat, putting a piano > hinge > at the front edge, possibly riveting to the forward flange of the wing > spar > carrythrough, and then using either a scissors jack or jackscrew > arrangement > to raise and lower the rear of the seat. It's not all thought out yet, > but I > sort of envisioned using power window motors, with reversible switches. > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL Corvaired > Paul, That is a cool idea. Let me know if you work out the details. I am especially interested in the weight! Thanks. Gene ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:18 PM PST US From: Fred Poor Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor just a thought--- an automotive inertia seat belt DOES NOT have the same type of locking divice as an aircraft inertia seat belt--- i.e. the automotive seat belt will not lock if you give the strap a QUICK PULL (vehicle not moving) as aircraft (jet fighters) will.. my opinion (and some think it not worth to much) is that in a crash (other than straight on, the automotive belt might not lock----- I thought about using them on my first plane, and scratched the idea for safety sakes. I bought mine out of "automotive/ hot rod magazine" (Hooker brand, I think)---- "fred" do not archive --- Rick wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick > > > > Has anyone used an automotive seatbelt with the > inertia reel shoulder > strap in their Zodiac? I'm thinking about installing > one with the reel > under the cargo shelf and the shoulder strap coming > out through a slot > in the seatback. > Any ideas, pictures, warnings, etc would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rick > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:19 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor > > just a thought--- an automotive inertia seat belt DOES > NOT have the same type of locking divice as an > aircraft inertia seat belt--- i.e. the automotive > seat belt will not lock if you give the strap a QUICK > PULL (vehicle not moving) as aircraft (jet fighters) > will.. Some automotive seat belts do have this friction lock-up feature. Most have a pendulum mechanism (inertia system) that locks up the reel when any horizontal acceleration is experienced, some have both lock-up systems. My new Dodge truck has both systems, the old Subaru I used to own had only the inertia system. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:22 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY From: "Pinneo, George" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" Keep it simple! This will add extra weight and complexity. The aircraft is specifically not rated for aerobatics, not that you'd use an auto seatbelt for aerobatics, of course. That'd be just about as smart as adapting an auto engine for an airplane. GGP ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:12 PM PST US From: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com Subject: Zenith-List: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century --> Zenith-List message posted by: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com FYI MUST SEE. ON TLC (The Learning Channel) Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century I Just thought Most builders would want to see this! Flight of the Century - The Teams Sure the Wright Brothers' first flight looked a little clumsy. But can today's aviation experts do any better with the same materials? Junkyard Wars answers that very question with a special edition episode to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers' flight. We spanned the world to find experts from Britain, France and the United States, and put them on assignment. Their mission: to build vintage airplanes from the 1900s using retro rubbish and tools of the time ... in just 20 hours! However, it's one thing to build the planes. These birds also have to fly, and they'll be put to the test over a dry lakebed in California's Mojave Desert. International pride is at stake too - the Americans won the competition back in 1903, but which country will triumph in this 21st century restaging? Hosts Tyler Harcott and Karyn Bryant will be joined by Robert Llewelyn, host of the United Kingdom's Scrapheap Challenge, in what promises to be the Flight of the Century! http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/bio/bio.html The American Eagles VS The British Buzzards VS The French Falcons. http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/flight.html Schedule Here http://tlc.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=54231 Sunday Mar 12 2003 9:00 PM EST 8:00 PM CST Repeats Tonight 3/12/2003 at 11:00PM CST Mar 13 2003 12:00 AM EST Sunday Mar 16 2003 3:00 PM EST 2:00 PM CST I Just thought Most builders would want to see this! I Have to record this one. :) Kevin Diehl STOL 801 Don't Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:35 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Kevin: I'm watching it now. Great fun! I'm looking forward to seeing them get off the ground! Scott Laughlin ----Original Message Follows---- From: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com Subject: Zenith-List: Must See Tonight 11pm CST and Sunday March 16 2PM CST 3PM EST Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century --> Zenith-List message posted by: kevindiehl@KevinDiehl.com FYI MUST SEE. ON TLC (The Learning Channel) Junkyard Mega-Wars: Flight of the Century I Just thought Most builders would want to see this! Flight of the Century - The Teams Sure the Wright Brothers' first flight looked a little clumsy. But can today's aviation experts do any better with the same materials? Junkyard Wars answers that very question with a special edition episode to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers' flight. We spanned the world to find experts from Britain, France and the United States, and put them on assignment. Their mission: to build vintage airplanes from the 1900s using retro rubbish and tools of the time ... in just 20 hours! However, it's one thing to build the planes. These birds also have to fly, and they'll be put to the test over a dry lakebed in California's Mojave Desert. International pride is at stake too - the Americans won the competition back in 1903, but which country will triumph in this 21st century restaging? Hosts Tyler Harcott and Karyn Bryant will be joined by Robert Llewelyn, host of the United Kingdom's Scrapheap Challenge, in what promises to be the Flight of the Century! http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/bio/bio.html The American Eagles VS The British Buzzards VS The French Falcons. http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/flight/flight.html Schedule Here http://tlc.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=54231 Sunday Mar 12 2003 9:00 PM EST 8:00 PM CST Repeats Tonight 3/12/2003 at 11:00PM CST Mar 13 2003 12:00 AM EST Sunday Mar 16 2003 3:00 PM EST 2:00 PM CST I Just thought Most builders would want to see this! I Have to record this one. :) Kevin Diehl STOL 801 Don't Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:21 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 3/12/2003 6:04:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, George.Pinneo@trw.com writes: > That'd be just about as smart as adapting an auto engine for an airplane. > Now you HURT my feelings !!!!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:46 PM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-n-fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" Anyone going to sun-n-fun this year? I might fly down in the 601HDS, if I'm not taking an A&P course during my spring break. Any 601 builders wanting a little flight time in a similar plane (CH2000) might want to stop by RYY (Marietta, GA) on their way, or you could try stopping at Eastman, GA where the CH2000 is made. --- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" Hey Guys, Did some research on the rudder/brake pedals tonight and still wasn't able to find all the answers in the archive. Was hoping that those that are flying could provide some input... - Is the default location good for 5'11 - 6' pilots? The instructions indicate that the default position is for the short legged and that the long legged should move them closer to the firewall. I was thinking about moving them 10mm forward, but didn't know if this made any sense and if in the real world the position of the pedals isn't a big deal except for the really tall and short. - Has the rudder/brake pedal not holding up still been an issue? I remember reading about putting a corner gusset in place but wasn't sure if this was necessary. If it's recommend, it would obviously be easier to do before installing into the plane. As a side note, installed my aileron control cables today. That was a blast and extremely motivating. I ended up doing 2 nico sleeves for each end which is probably way overkill, but I decided the little bit of weight was worth the extra piece of mind. On the flip side, I watched the turn of the century Junk Yard Wars this evening and they built 'old-time planes' using control cables that didn't even have oval support brace and still only used one nico which still got a FAA certificate. Thanks!!! Don Honabach Tempe, AZ - 601HDS http://zodiac.pcperfect.com