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1. 05:50 AM - Moving Rudder Pedals and seat pan - 601HDS (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
2. 06:34 AM - Moving Rudder Pedals and seat pan - 601HDS (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
3. 07:48 AM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Rick)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Rick)
5. 08:08 AM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Pinneo, George)
6. 08:11 AM - my 701 rear rib angle screw up (Mileski William J CONT NPRI)
7. 08:14 AM - Re: The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS (Mike Fothergill)
8. 10:34 AM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Jim Frisby)
9. 01:05 PM - Re: Sun-n-fun (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (Dave Austin)
11. 03:05 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY (dave thomas)
12. 03:48 PM - Re: 701 Plans building? (Robert Hillebrand)
13. 04:26 PM - Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY / negitive g's (Fred Poor)
14. 07:08 PM - (Charles Sonberg)
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| Subject: | Moving Rudder Pedals and seat pan - 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
I was thinking
> about moving them 10mm forward, but didn't know if this made any sense
> and if in the real world the position of the pedals isn't a big deal
> except for the really tall and short.
> Don Honabach
Don, I'm 6' 1" and moved the rudder pedal bearing blocks 1 1/4" forward on
the floor skin. Also, (with Chris's approval, I moved the seat pan 1" inch
rearward. This meant moving the attachment pieces (L and Channel stock
mostly) that secure the pan to the fuselage side skins, etc. It's a "fit
as you go" project, but simple. Secure the seat pan, then align the other
things that fit to the pan location as needed. So,... I got a total of 2
1/4" of extra leg room. Oh... by extending the distance rearward of seat
pan, you will need to make a new pair of side skins for your center Stick
channel, again a simple job.
Don't do any "modifications" without Chris's approval. Send a request to
him by fax for his approval. I sent him a drawing of what I wanted to do
and he "approved it" and added a couple of comments.
The additional leg room feels good to me!
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | Moving Rudder Pedals and seat pan - 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
The "moving the seat pan back 1 inch" comment on my previous posting was NOT
the standard "tall pilot" change of parts that mealy leans you further back.
The CENTER of the bottom of the pan is moved back 1". (you do use the "Tall
pilot" optional parts from Zenith though) Merely leaning you back more
gives more clearance under the bubble canopy, but does not give more leg
room. You must move the center of the bottom of the seat pan and/or move
the petal blocks to get more leg room.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Bryan Martin wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
> >
> > just a thought--- an automotive inertia seat belt DOES
> > NOT have the same type of locking divice as an
> > aircraft inertia seat belt--- i.e. the automotive
> > seat belt will not lock if you give the strap a QUICK
> > PULL (vehicle not moving) as aircraft (jet fighters)
> > will..
>
> Some automotive seat belts do have this friction lock-up feature. Most have
> a pendulum mechanism (inertia system) that locks up the reel when any
> horizontal acceleration is experienced, some have both lock-up systems. My
> new Dodge truck has both systems, the old Subaru I used to own had only the
> inertia system.
Thanks Fred and Bryan. I hadn't considered the "other than straight on"
impact.
I went out and checked the seatbelts on my '99 Silverado and they locked
up when I gave them a quick tug. The belts on my '89 Escort unreeled
freely with the same quick tug. Now I'm wondering if the automobile
manufacturers had to use the better reels after a certain year model.
I think I'll make a trip to the local junkyard and perform the "quick
tug" test on a couple of late model cars.
Thanks guys,
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
"Pinneo, George" wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
>
> Keep it simple! This will add extra weight and complexity. The aircraft is specifically
not rated for aerobatics, not that you'd use an auto seatbelt for aerobatics,
of course. That'd be just about as smart as > adapting an auto engine
for an airplane.
I'm not worried too much about complexity of the seatbelt, but weight
would certainly be a factor. I try and use the old test where you take
any part that you want to add to your airplane outside and toss it into
the air. If it falls back to the ground on it's own, it's too heavy.
However... a simple lapbelt doesn't give enough protection and a
standard 3 or 4 point harness is too confining. I'd like to be able to
move around a little while still wearing the shoulder harness.
What did you use on your plane George?
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
The Zenith supplied lap and shoulder belt works just fine.
GGP
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| Subject: | my 701 rear rib angle screw up |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mileski William J CONT NPRI <MileskiWJ@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil>
> Hi folks,
>
> Looking for some advice here. I just realized that I mistakenly riveted the
rear rib angles (7V6-3 if I remember) to the BACK SIDE of the rear channels, instead
of the front side. The way I installed them, this puts them "inside" the
rear channels, instead of outside. I was careful to ensure the fit of the angles
did not interfere with the bend radius of the channels, but wondering if
anyone has opinions on this. I have a letter out to Zenair last nite. I realized
my mistake only after one wing is done and the other partially finished.
I finished the first before the CAD plans came out, which have a detail showing
the angles on the back side of the channels. When I looked again at the old
non-CAD plans, I concluded the way the "dashes" are implying overlap in these
parts is what mislead me.
>
> I was able to find a construction pic on Zenair's website showing another 701
done this way (angle barely visible on right of rib):
> http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/images/construction/Dcp02335.JPG
>
> Anyway, this might be minor, but it still feels unsettling. Thoughts appreciated.
>
Bill Mileski
Middletown, RI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Good Ole' Rudder Pedals - 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Don;
I am 6.0 ft even. I moved the pedals forward 40mm. That was max to avoid
hitting firewall with brake cylinders.
Mike
C-FRND CH-601HDS
UHS Spinners
Don Honabach wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Did some research on the rudder/brake pedals tonight and still wasn't
> able to find all the answers in the archive. Was hoping that those that
> are flying could provide some input...
>
> - Is the default location good for 5'11 - 6' pilots? The instructions
> indicate that the default position is for the short legged and that the
> long legged should move them closer to the firewall. I was thinking
> about moving them 10mm forward, but didn't know if this made any sense
> and if in the real world the position of the pedals isn't a big deal
> except for the really tall and short.
>
> - Has the rudder/brake pedal not holding up still been an issue? I
> remember reading about putting a corner gusset in place but wasn't sure
> if this was necessary. If it's recommend, it would obviously be easier
> to do before installing into the plane.
>
> As a side note, installed my aileron control cables today. That was a
> blast and extremely motivating. I ended up doing 2 nico sleeves for each
> end which is probably way overkill, but I decided the little bit of
> weight was worth the extra piece of mind. On the flip side, I watched
> the turn of the century Junk Yard Wars this evening and they built
> 'old-time planes' using control cables that didn't even have oval
> support brace and still only used one nico which still got a FAA
> certificate.
>
> Thanks!!!
> Don Honabach
> Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
> http://zodiac.pcperfect.com
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| Subject: | Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
Military aircraft with "inertia" shoulder harnesses also have a manual lock.
On UH1 Helicopers, locking it was part of most emergency procedures.
>From: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY
>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:06:23 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
>
>The Zenith supplied lap and shoulder belt works just fine.
>
>GGP
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 3/12/2003 10:49:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ppolstra@mindspring.com writes:
> Anyone going to sun-n-fun this year?
I will be there.....!
Do not archive
John W. Tarabocchia
(407) 709-7255
http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder
N6042T 90hrs Flown.....
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Transport canada will normally not accept auto belts as the buckles are not
readily releasable if you are hanging from them. Just a thought.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dave thomas" <sat@mikes.net>
Pacific Scientific in California makes an inertia reel restraint
thatconforms to F.F.A.tso-c22f.
Their marketing office is in Fl.and telephone is (305)477-4711
Dave Thomas ch-200-2215X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Transport canada will normally not accept auto belts as the buckles are
not
> readily releasable if you are hanging from them. Just a thought.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Plans building? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
Hello from St.Jacob Illinois. My name is Bo Hillebrand and your story sounds like
mine.
I bought the plans in !992. I built the wings and then by now guess what ?I have
built the fusalage it is on wheels all complete up to firewall.
Now "only 11 years latter" i'll go back to building the tail feathers the flaps
and the slats. I started to build the flaps and got all the way to skinning them
and just couldn't get the skins to wrap correctly so I stopped .aaaaThat
was in 1996.
Now I think I'll just buy the rest of the parts and finish the plane.
Nice talking to you and good day Mate...............Bo Hillebrand
Paul A Schelfhout <schelfho@ozemail.com.au> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted
by: "Paul A Schelfhout"
G'day Monty,
When I first noticed your email nearly 2 months ago I thought it definitely
worth a reply, hope you are progressing well, finished the Wings ?
My story is a bit long winded but I will prece it as best I can
1. I purchased CH701 plans in 1990 after several year of consideration -
then along came an opportunity to purchase a C150 so the CH701 was shelved.
2. 1996 sold the C150 and purchased a C210 which I kept for about 4 years -
but a bit too expensive to run
3. Re-appraised the CH701 plans in March 01 and asked some questions of
ZAC - they responded well and also advised that Version 4 of the plans would
be out in July - So I ordered them - received about Aug/Sept (Perth Western
Australia)
4. Studied the Plans and sourced the first lot of material - arrived from
Melbourne in Jan 02
Well I have been very slow to get going, cut the first requirements from
across the sheet only to find I should had cut all the long lengths first,
so I catalogued every item and sorted by thickness and Length and things are
going much better - especially my understanding.
I followed the ZAC advise and started at the wings ( I think it would have
been easier to start on the tail) anyhow I have everything cut for the
wings, the spars and ribs are drilled and ready for priming - so the fun is
about to begin.
Any advise will be well received.
The attached pictures were taken 27 Jan 03, both wings are now ready to
assemble
Paul Schelfhout (pronounced shelf hout - silent "c" for the Aussies)
Perth
Western Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty Graves"
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Plans building?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves
>
> I have been plans building a 701 for sometime. My wife says toooo long.
> And I am Trying to finish the wings sometime before the end of Feb.
>
> Building the stab ribs and wing spars now.
>
> Anyway I am emailing out pictures and updates periodically. If anyone on
> the list would like to receive them (got to make use of that new digital
> camera) and pass along their own updates back. Please contact me OFF LIST
> with your email address.
>
> This would be similar to what Randy Thwing was doing a year or so ago for
> those that were recieving Randy's updates.
>
> Very informal, Just a way to motivate myself and hopefully others, and a
> way to share specific PLANS BUILT 701 problems solutions, BUT MAINLY TO
> SHARE pictures.
>
> Monty Graves
> mgraves@usmo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Inertia Reel seat belts/ SAFETY / negitive g's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
another important point--- all military aircraft that
I have been around use a lap belt which the pilot
wears snug-- and the shoulder harness attaches to the
belt---- NOT like the contiuious loop system used
in automobiles---- HOW WOULD AN AUTOMOBILE TYPE
seatbelt keep you in the seat during negitive g's???
(enough from) "fred"----- do not archive
--- Jim Frisby <marslander@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby"
> <marslander@hotmail.com>
>
> Military aircraft with "inertia" shoulder harnesses
> also have a manual lock.
> On UH1 Helicopers, locking it was part of most
> emergency procedures.
>
>
> >From: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inertia Reel seat belts/
> SAFETY
> >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:06:23 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George"
> <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
> >
> >The Zenith supplied lap and shoulder belt works
> just fine.
> >
> >GGP
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Sonberg" <2408s@cox-internet.com>
Think I'm gonna get out of airplanes and go back to fishing. If anyone is
interested I have my 601 HDS for sale or trade.Web site is
http://www.cox-internet.com/zodiac/ Email me offline at
2408s@cox-internet.com or call 361-576-2403 evenings.
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