---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/15/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - 701 rear rib angle screw up (RURUNY@aol.com) 2. 06:24 AM - Re: CHT sensors (Ron DeWees) 3. 06:26 AM - seatbelt source/ correction (Fred Poor) 4. 04:56 PM - P-factor and engine offset (Larry C. McFarland) 5. 06:49 PM - Re: P-factor and engine offset (Philip Polstra) 6. 08:00 PM - 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips (ac6qj@earthlink.net) 7. 08:26 PM - Re: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips (Benford2@aol.com) 8. 09:04 PM - Re: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips (CLOJAN@aol.com) 9. 09:08 PM - Re: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips (Jeff & Marcia Davidson) 10. 10:15 PM - Re: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips (ac6qj@earthlink.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:59 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 rear rib angle screw up --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Bill, While installing the rear channels to my right wing I had them clecoed together for quite a while with 7V6-3 inside the channels or visable from the leading edge of the wing. While assembling the skeleton again after zinc chromating the parts I realized in the drawing that they were on the trailing edge side of the channel. I assembled it according to the drawing but thought it made more sense and looked better the way you did it. My opinion is its no problem structurally but of course ask Nick at Zenith.If you change it now it might throw off all your rivet lines in your skin at the channels. And while I have your attention, when are you going to update your web site. I have copied your work bench exactly, and have been using many of your construction pics as reference while assembling. As a matter of fact I'm working on the wing tip right now and have printed and posted on a board about 8 pics from your site as a reference while I'm doing this. I have found your site and Gary Limings site the best references on the Web for my project and would like to thank you both for sharing your ideas and projects with us. I am taking hundreds of digital pics of my project and hope to do the same in the near future. Brian Unruh Long Island, NY http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:00 AM PST US From: "Ron DeWees" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CHT sensors --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" Hi Gang, Thanks for all the suggestions and pix of installed CHT probes. It certainly CAN be done and I will install as suggested. Ron DeWees do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:37 AM PST US From: Fred Poor Subject: Zenith-List: seatbelt source/ correction --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor Having pulled out my old "Speedway Motors" catalog, I realized that when I built my 701 I had ordered the "Hooker" brand seat builts from Zenair, as I couldn't make my mind up as to which one to order from "speedway"--- I was very pleased with the ones from Zenair----- This time I will order the "latch and link" type from "Speedway" as they have the "aircraft type" latch available--- For those interested the website is---- www.speedwaymotors.com click on "safety equipment" ----- "fred" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:57 PM PST US From: "Larry C. McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: P-factor and engine offset --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry C. McFarland" 601 Stratus builders, I'm in the process of making the jig to weld up the Stratus engine mount and notice more than a few of you have groused over the propeller and spinner being offset due to the drive prop shaft being left of engine-center (viewed from the rear). Because the prop still turns clockwise and the reacting torque left, a per plans 3-degree offset to the right at 21" (engine length) puts the prop about 1" to the right and would seem to over compensate for the 10 to 15mm left of center prop that's being reported. My intent is to turn the engine at a mid point that makes the 3-degrees and centers the prop on the cowl. Have I missed anything here or is there something else one needs to know about the Stratus type engine mount on a 601? The engine mount drawings don't get into offset or distance engine to firewall, so I'm curious how some of you scratch builders got thru this one. Thanks for your input here. Larry C. McFarland - 601-hds ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:55 PM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: P-factor and engine offset --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" I can't comment on the offset in the mount, since I bought mine from Zenith. I can tell you that both the Stratus-powered CH601HDS, and Lycoming-powered CH2000 that I fly require lots of right rudder during takeoff and climbout. --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:02 PM PST US From: ac6qj@earthlink.net Subject: Zenith-List: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net Hi, I'm looking for some advice on a poor fitting fiberglass stabilizer tip pieces... I received my FFT fiberglass stabilizer tips this week after a 3 month wait while these items were on back order. The FFT tips fit is a little bit loose but may snug up when cleco fastened but I'm almost certain that it is going to require at least one extra rivet top and bottom tighten the fit. The size appears to be off when checking the cord length where the FTT is 15 mm shorter than the combined elevator/stabilizer (which was made from factory formed parts). Have other 601 builders experienced this? If so, has anyone built up the chord length so that the tip of the ftt is even with the trailing edge of the elevator? If so, what process was used to lengthen the ftt? After waiting three months after kit delivery and two months after otherwise completing the elevator / stabilizer, I'm not too excited about returning these to ZAC and incurring further delay so I'm interested in exploring viable alternatives. -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ================================================================================ Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Construction ================================================================================ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:02 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 3/15/2003 9:00:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, ac6qj@earthlink.net writes: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for some advice on a poor fitting fiberglass stabilizer > tip pieces... > > I received my FFT fiberglass stabilizer tips this week after a 3 > month wait while these items were on back order. The FFT tips fit is > a little bit loose but may snug up when cleco fastened but I'm almost > certain that it is going to require at least one extra rivet top and > bottom tighten the fit. The size appears to be off when checking the > cord length where the FTT is 15 mm shorter than the combined > elevator/stabilizer (which was made from factory formed parts). Have > other 601 builders experienced this? > > If so, has anyone built up the chord length so that the tip of the > ftt is even with the trailing edge of the elevator? If so, what > process was used to lengthen the ftt? > > After waiting three months after kit delivery and two months after > otherwise completing the elevator / stabilizer, I'm not too excited > about returning these to ZAC and incurring further delay so I'm > interested in exploring viable alternatives. > -- > > Best Regards, Ray Montagne > Cupertino, CA > > All my fiberglass parts for my 801 were marginal to poor in quality too so don't feel bad. I had to use several more rivets to pull mine out tight and the profiles were not too close either. Also mine were short in overall length by 10-20 mm. I did feather all my tips in with aerodynamic filler [ Good quality bondo]. I have to admit the finished look is very nice. Count your blessing because on 801's we have Fiberglass parts on the wing tips, horizontal stabilizer, flaperons and both ends of the leading edge slats. One place we really need something is on top of the rudder. I did seal the flat top of mine up so water/snow other crud could not run down into the innerds. Bne Haas N801BH. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:21 PM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:00:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, ac6qj@earthlink.net writes: > The size appears to be off when checking the > cord length where the FTT is 15 mm shorter than the combined Ray: If I recall correctly the length of the fiberglass tips are shorter than the combined length of the stabilizer/elevator.( I think this is mentioned in the manual) My tips seemed way to narrow in height to fit the ends of the stab. I even thought of making a rib to spread it apart before riveting. Gave up on that idea and just riveted them on. Guess what? It all worked out as advertised. Give it a try. Jack Russell Clovis CA Working on rear of fuselage ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:50 PM PST US From: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" > > I received my FFT fiberglass stabilizer tips this week after a 3 > month wait while these items were on back order. The FFT tips fit is > a little bit loose but may snug up when cleco fastened but I'm almost > certain that it is going to require at least one extra rivet top and > bottom tighten the fit. The size appears to be off when checking the > cord length where the FTT is 15 mm shorter than the combined > elevator/stabilizer (which was made from factory formed parts). Have > other 601 builders experienced this? > Ray, I installed the retrofit FFT kit on mine a while back. Tonight I dug out the Information Sheet dated 02/98 that came with the kit. Among other things, it says "The Elevator will fit in between the Fiberglass Tips, the trailing edge of the elevator is not flush with the end of the Fiberglass Tips. " My tail is stored away but I remember that it came out like yours. I don't know the reason Chris did it this way, but it seems to make sense that there is a little less chance of the fairing interfering with the elevator movement in this configuration. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:22 PM PST US From: ac6qj@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 FTT Stabilizler Fiberglass Tips --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" >--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" Thanks to all for the great advice! The height is were my concern is. I considered making a rib to spread the fiberglass too but based on all the advice, I'll just go ahead and install them. Thanks again to all! DO NOT ARCHIVE. -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ================================================================================ Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL builder #4939 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Construction ================================================================================