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1. 05:53 AM - Re: Trouble with building 601 ailerons (Al Young)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (nhulin)
3. 07:24 AM - FW: Re: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL ()
4. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Larry McFarland)
5. 04:15 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (nhulin)
6. 04:40 PM - Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
7. 06:55 PM - HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Mark Townsend)
8. 07:49 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Tim & Diane Shankland)
9. 08:33 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Matthew Mucker)
10. 09:26 PM - Wing Tanks - No Header? (Don Honabach)
11. 10:08 PM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Randy Stout)
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble with building 601 ailerons |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Mark- After reading of your problem, the only thing I can come up with is
"Did you use a 13mm spacer under the outboard leading edge before you
drilled the rivet holes"? I had no problems with the ailerons, so I feel
very lucky after reading your e-mail. Good luck! Al Young 601XL finishing
second wing.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
I'll be there as well. Any ideas on where and when to meet? I've only been
once before and that was only for one day so I don't know my way around at
all. An obvious landmark would be the Zenith display area.
...neil
Neil Hulin
601XL (wings and stuff ... still ... arrrrgh)
Cincinnati, Ohio
> From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun n Fun
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer
<mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> Anyone going to Sun n Fun? Is there a standard meeting place/time/day?
This
> is my first year at Sun n Fun as a Zenith builder and I would love to meet
> others. I'll be there 2, 3, and 4 April.
>
> Mark
>
> 601XL Tail and flaps finished.
> Completely confused with ailerons
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <zenith@portouw.com>
Thanks to all for the replies. Lots of good tips. I am on active duty and as
you can imagine a little distracted at the moment (and thus accounting for
the slow build). Looks like a couple of things together account for the
trashed part. Did check the location of the rib- 610mm up the spar to the
rivet holes per the drawing. I ordered a new skin yesterday- $38 as I
recall, w/ shipping. Individual replies later, maybe this weekend...
Larry Portouw
Larry@portouw.com
Ft Huachuca, AZ
Time: 07:40:27 AM PST US
From: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
Larry,
Sorry to hear about your nose skin problem. I did "exactly" the same
thing at
the rudder school. Two things that I did wrong included 1) Not having
the nose
skin high enough on the rudder (Although as you found out - this only
accounts
for several mm's of edge distance) and 2) the nose rib was installed
with a
90 degree angle to the spar as the instructions called for. Just
before drilling,
I was told to push the nose rib up in order to get the skin tight.
The
got tight, but it also pulled out enough that I too only had 3mm of
edge distance.
The 90 degree angle is critical as pushing it up only a few degree is
really
pushing out the nose skin a lot based upon the geometry.
Another possibility for your results could be a mislocated nose rib.
If it is
too high you will end up pushing the skin away from the spar. Also
check you
skin size to make sure it was not cut short originally, there should
be excess
material.
A valuable lesson was learned by my mistake and that is "when" (Not
if) I get permission
to buy the rest of the kit, I will draw a minimum penetration line on
skins that go in and get drilled with no ability to see how much
overlap you
have. As long as the line is not visible, you will automatically have
sufficient
edge clearance.
Hope this helps you out.
Good Luck,
Tom TGrones@Charter.net Rudder School Done, Still persuading the
better half.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Neil,
GOOD IDEA!
How about someone asking Zenith to post a check-in sheet to see
how many builders attend. There might even be a place
for what day you arrived and the first arrivals could put
down a place for Zenith builders to gather at two specific
times of the day. Also Name Stickers might make it easier
to identify the Zenith builders at that point.
I'm going to be there mid-week, probably the 3-4th.
See you all there perhaps..........
Larry C. McFarland-601hds @ www.macsmachine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun n Fun
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
> I'll be there as well. Any ideas on where and when to meet? I've only been
> once before and that was only for one day so I don't know my way around at
> all. An obvious landmark would be the Zenith display area.
>
> ...neil
>
> Neil Hulin
> 601XL (wings and stuff ... still ... arrrrgh)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
> > From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Sun n Fun
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer
> <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> >
> > Anyone going to Sun n Fun? Is there a standard meeting place/time/day?
> This
> > is my first year at Sun n Fun as a Zenith builder and I would love to
meet
> > others. I'll be there 2, 3, and 4 April.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > 601XL Tail and flaps finished.
> > Completely confused with ailerons
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Since everyone will be busy at forums and looking at stuff during the day,
how about we congregate at the ZAC display at the end of the daily program?
Maybe organize to go to a local restaurant? I like the idea of setting up a
check-in sheet.
...neil
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:25:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Benford2@aol.com writes:
>
> >
> >If you've 40 lbs tension, I'd recommend you lower that to 30. I don't
> >think
> >the 601
> >is built for a 40 lb static load on the cables, and that would especially
> >include the rudder.
> >Regards,
> >Larry McFarland
> >
>
> That would lower the low side of the reading to 15 lbs. Kinda sloppy for
> cables..
>
You best keep the tension below 25lbs. Otherwise you will find that your
bulkheads will start to deform.
John W. Tarabocchia
(407) 709-7255
http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder
N6042T 90hrs Flown.....
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| Subject: | HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders.
How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit builders
have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such
luck. ANY suggestions are welcome !
Thanks
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
Alma, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
Mark,
I'm not building an XL but I did am scratch building on HD. I made a
fixture out of 2x4's and a piece of 4 inch plastic pipe. I had it a
little easier, mine wasn't 12 feet long. When it was done I had a small
piece of a radius on skin but it was sufficient to do it. If you'll
interested in a picture I'll have to go out in the shop and take one I
don't think I took any when I was bending them. Its a hand full even for
two people.
Tim Shankland
Mark Townsend wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders.
>How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit builders
>have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such
>luck. ANY suggestions are welcome !
>
>Thanks
>Mark Townsend
>601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
>Alma, Ontario
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Mark,
Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of
aluminum.
I don't have the answer to your question, and it may be that a one piece
skin may be the best answer.
I just want to help you ensure that you're asking the right question.
-Matt
> Mark Townsend wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> >
> >Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders.
> >How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The
> Kit builders
> >have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such
> >luck. ANY suggestions are welcome !
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| Subject: | Wing Tanks - No Header? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Hey Everyone,
Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no
header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into
problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just
LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats).
Thanks!
Don Honabach
Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <r5t0ut@earthlink.net>
Don
The only problem that I have with mine is that I have to have the fuel pump
running constantly. That may vary according to your particular setup (carb
placement, size of tubing, how many 90 deg bends). I'm not pleased with the
placement of the fuel sender, on the side of the tank. The screw holes are
weeping fuel, but I think I can get past that. I'm going to try some
Permatex 518. If that doesn't work, then I'll get some Proseal. Some have
complained that their tanks leak around the welds. I haven't had that
problem and hopefully ZAC has that straightened out now.
Randy Stout
CH 601 HD
r5t0ut@earthlink.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
> Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no
> header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into
> problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just
> LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats).
>
> Thanks!
> Don Honabach
> Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
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