---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/26/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: Trouble with building 601 ailerons (Al Young) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (nhulin) 3. 07:24 AM - FW: Re: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL () 4. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Larry McFarland) 5. 04:15 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (nhulin) 6. 04:40 PM - Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 7. 06:55 PM - HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Mark Townsend) 8. 07:49 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Tim & Diane Shankland) 9. 08:33 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Matthew Mucker) 10. 09:26 PM - Wing Tanks - No Header? (Don Honabach) 11. 10:08 PM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Randy Stout) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:56 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trouble with building 601 ailerons --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Mark- After reading of your problem, the only thing I can come up with is "Did you use a 13mm spacer under the outboard leading edge before you drilled the rivet holes"? I had no problems with the ailerons, so I feel very lucky after reading your e-mail. Good luck! Al Young 601XL finishing second wing. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:42 AM PST US From: "nhulin" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" I'll be there as well. Any ideas on where and when to meet? I've only been once before and that was only for one day so I don't know my way around at all. An obvious landmark would be the Zenith display area. ...neil Neil Hulin 601XL (wings and stuff ... still ... arrrrgh) Cincinnati, Ohio > From: Mark Stauffer > Subject: Zenith-List: Sun n Fun > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer > > Anyone going to Sun n Fun? Is there a standard meeting place/time/day? This > is my first year at Sun n Fun as a Zenith builder and I would love to meet > others. I'll be there 2, 3, and 4 April. > > Mark > > 601XL Tail and flaps finished. > Completely confused with ailerons Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:16 AM PST US From: Subject: FW: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Thanks to all for the replies. Lots of good tips. I am on active duty and as you can imagine a little distracted at the moment (and thus accounting for the slow build). Looks like a couple of things together account for the trashed part. Did check the location of the rib- 610mm up the spar to the rivet holes per the drawing. I ordered a new skin yesterday- $38 as I recall, w/ shipping. Individual replies later, maybe this weekend... Larry Portouw Larry@portouw.com Ft Huachuca, AZ Time: 07:40:27 AM PST US From: g t Subject: Re: Rudder Nose Skin- 601XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t Larry, Sorry to hear about your nose skin problem. I did "exactly" the same thing at the rudder school. Two things that I did wrong included 1) Not having the nose skin high enough on the rudder (Although as you found out - this only accounts for several mm's of edge distance) and 2) the nose rib was installed with a 90 degree angle to the spar as the instructions called for. Just before drilling, I was told to push the nose rib up in order to get the skin tight. The got tight, but it also pulled out enough that I too only had 3mm of edge distance. The 90 degree angle is critical as pushing it up only a few degree is really pushing out the nose skin a lot based upon the geometry. Another possibility for your results could be a mislocated nose rib. If it is too high you will end up pushing the skin away from the spar. Also check you skin size to make sure it was not cut short originally, there should be excess material. A valuable lesson was learned by my mistake and that is "when" (Not if) I get permission to buy the rest of the kit, I will draw a minimum penetration line on skins that go in and get drilled with no ability to see how much overlap you have. As long as the line is not visible, you will automatically have sufficient edge clearance. Hope this helps you out. Good Luck, Tom TGrones@Charter.net Rudder School Done, Still persuading the better half. Zenith@portouw.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:49 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Neil, GOOD IDEA! How about someone asking Zenith to post a check-in sheet to see how many builders attend. There might even be a place for what day you arrived and the first arrivals could put down a place for Zenith builders to gather at two specific times of the day. Also Name Stickers might make it easier to identify the Zenith builders at that point. I'm going to be there mid-week, probably the 3-4th. See you all there perhaps.......... Larry C. McFarland-601hds @ www.macsmachine.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nhulin" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun n Fun > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" > > I'll be there as well. Any ideas on where and when to meet? I've only been > once before and that was only for one day so I don't know my way around at > all. An obvious landmark would be the Zenith display area. > > ...neil > > Neil Hulin > 601XL (wings and stuff ... still ... arrrrgh) > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > From: Mark Stauffer > > Subject: Zenith-List: Sun n Fun > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Stauffer > > > > > Anyone going to Sun n Fun? Is there a standard meeting place/time/day? > This > > is my first year at Sun n Fun as a Zenith builder and I would love to meet > > others. I'll be there 2, 3, and 4 April. > > > > Mark > > > > 601XL Tail and flaps finished. > > Completely confused with ailerons ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:43 PM PST US From: "nhulin" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" Since everyone will be busy at forums and looking at stuff during the day, how about we congregate at the ZAC display at the end of the daily program? Maybe organize to go to a local restaurant? I like the idea of setting up a check-in sheet. ...neil ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:21 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Elevator UP stop and cable tension --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:25:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Benford2@aol.com writes: > > > > >If you've 40 lbs tension, I'd recommend you lower that to 30. I don't > >think > >the 601 > >is built for a 40 lb static load on the cables, and that would especially > >include the rudder. > >Regards, > >Larry McFarland > > > > That would lower the low side of the reading to 15 lbs. Kinda sloppy for > cables.. > You best keep the tension below 25lbs. Otherwise you will find that your bulkheads will start to deform. John W. Tarabocchia (407) 709-7255 http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder N6042T 90hrs Flown..... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:13 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders. How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit builders have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such luck. ANY suggestions are welcome ! Thanks Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo Alma, Ontario ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:51 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Mark, I'm not building an XL but I did am scratch building on HD. I made a fixture out of 2x4's and a piece of 4 inch plastic pipe. I had it a little easier, mine wasn't 12 feet long. When it was done I had a small piece of a radius on skin but it was sufficient to do it. If you'll interested in a picture I'll have to go out in the shop and take one I don't think I took any when I was bending them. Its a hand full even for two people. Tim Shankland Mark Townsend wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > >Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders. >How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit builders >have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such >luck. ANY suggestions are welcome ! > >Thanks >Mark Townsend >601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo >Alma, Ontario > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:21 PM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" Mark, Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of aluminum. I don't have the answer to your question, and it may be that a one piece skin may be the best answer. I just want to help you ensure that you're asking the right question. -Matt > Mark Townsend wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > >Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders. > >How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The > Kit builders > >have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such > >luck. ANY suggestions are welcome ! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" Hey Everyone, Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats). Thanks! Don Honabach Tempe, AZ - 601HDS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:54 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Don The only problem that I have with mine is that I have to have the fuel pump running constantly. That may vary according to your particular setup (carb placement, size of tubing, how many 90 deg bends). I'm not pleased with the placement of the fuel sender, on the side of the tank. The screw holes are weeping fuel, but I think I can get past that. I'm going to try some Permatex 518. If that doesn't work, then I'll get some Proseal. Some have complained that their tanks leak around the welds. I haven't had that problem and hopefully ZAC has that straightened out now. Randy Stout CH 601 HD r5t0ut@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Honabach" Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > Hey Everyone, > > Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no > header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into > problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just > LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats). > > Thanks! > Don Honabach > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS