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1. 04:09 AM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Mark Townsend)
2. 05:28 AM - Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Johann G.)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension (Grant Corriveau)
4. 08:37 AM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Grant Corriveau)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Paul Sharpe)
6. 09:03 AM - First solo: (Morgan Wadsworth)
7. 09:36 AM - Re: First solo: (David Barth)
8. 10:25 AM - Fuel Bypass Line (Lowell Metz)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: First solo: (Mark A. Wood)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel Bypass Line (Doon47@aol.com)
11. 10:54 AM - Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass (Mark A. Wood)
12. 11:09 AM - Header Tank - Thanks! (Don Honabach)
13. 11:31 AM - Re: Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass (Benford2@aol.com)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: First solo: (Mark Townsend)
15. 12:28 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Phil & Michele Miller)
16. 01:33 PM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? ()
17. 01:43 PM - Re: Fuel Bypass Line (Dave Alberti)
18. 01:53 PM - Re: First solo: (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
19. 02:01 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (STEFREE@aol.com)
20. 03:18 PM - cable tension (Doug Mattson)
21. 04:13 PM - Re: First solo: (Gary Gower)
22. 04:37 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Clyde D Ehlers)
23. 04:42 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (Bryan Martin)
24. 04:56 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (caspainhower@aep.com)
25. 05:00 PM - CH601XL horizontal stabiliser problems (Wayne Glasser)
26. 05:18 PM - Re: First solo: (Tim & Diane Shankland)
27. 06:10 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (paulrod36)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: cable tension (Michel Therrien)
29. 07:07 PM - LE Wing Tanks - Removable? (prm@softhome.net)
30. 07:17 PM - Re: cable tension (Benford2@aol.com)
31. 07:21 PM - Who Supplies Wing Locker tanks (prm@softhome.net)
32. 07:46 PM - Rudder peddle distance (CLOJAN@aol.com)
33. 08:11 PM - Re: cable tension (Larry McFarland)
34. 10:05 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com)
35. 10:19 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Matt your right. It needn't be a single piece of aluminum, but just think of
how nice it would look if it was. I know it is a pain but I'd rather not add
another seam.
Thanks
Mark
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-----Original Message-----
>Mark,
>
>Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of
>aluminum.
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| Subject: | Holes in Seat front on CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello List members.
I posted a question a few days ago, and I may have confused builders with
the wrong part.
I am about to drill the seat front for battery cable, rudder cables, pitot
and static tubes, trim wire, and fuel line.
My intension was to route the fuel lines from wing tanks over the doors and
down along the window frames to the header tank.
Has anyone done it this way?
The reason is that I do not want the fuel line to go all the way down behind
and under the seat and then back up to the header tank, or on the floor.
Your advise is very much appreciated, because I do not have the chance to
look at any other 701 in this area, and Sun and Fun is out of the question
this year.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>> The cable tension on my elevator varies (a lot) as I
>> move the elevator. I have 25 lbs full down and more
>> than 40 lbs full up. Others have that kind of
>> situation?
I think that the cable tension is meant as a 'static' measurement - with the
controls resting in the 'gravity - stop' position -- the elevator resting on
the downstop. From previous remarks on this list, I belived that this is
not a critical measurement - but a guideline to keep slack out of the cables
without overstressing the hinges etc..
AS ALWAYS - best to check with Nick or someone at Zenair.
fwiw
Grant Corriveau
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header?
Many 601s are built with wing tanks only - probably some good info in the
archives - I know there were many threads about fuel pump locations and
filters, etc..
The facet fuel pumps provided run full time in the automotive environment,
so should not be a problem on the aircraft to run full time (i.e. assuming
your engine does not have a mechanical pump). Just remember to account for
this when designing the electrical system.
Grant Corriveau
601 HDS with le wing tanks only
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" <fly601@rogers.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
>
> Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no
> header (small or large) tank?
Don,
I built my 601HD with LE tanks and no header. I have two Facet electric
fuel pumps, one at the outlet of each tank. From there the two fuel lines
come through the respective wing roots into the cockpit where I have a
shutoff valve in each. Downstream from the shutoff valves the two are T'd
into one line and then to a gascolator on the lower firewall, followed by a
single line to the engine driven pump (Rotax 912S).
I have verified that the system works well without the electric pumps
on; in other words, the engine driven pump will suck fuel through the
electric pumps quite effectively. However, several people on this forum
have indicated that it is much safer to operate with the fuel system
pressurized , rather than under suction, so in practice I normally operate
with the electric pumps on all of the time.
Paul Sharpe
C-IABP
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one of
the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally
stoked about this!
Take care,
Morgan IV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I remember that amazing high. Congrats Morgan.
David
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> I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first
> solo, and it was one of
> the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug
> everyone, but I'm totally
> stoked about this!
>
> Take care,
>
> Morgan IV
>
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Fuel Bypass Line |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
I am finally installing the 912 S in my 701. One of the manuals calls for a fuel
bypass line from the pressure side of the fuel pump back to the tank in addition
to feeding the two carbs which would in effect create a 4 way manifold.
One pressure line in and three out. I have a two fold question. Are others
installing the bypass line. If so can I run it back to the firewall and plug
it in just upstream of the gascolator. ( I added a regular A/C gascolator low
on the firewall as the last quick drain / sump ). I'll be asking a lot of questions
and taking a lot of pictures at S-N-F so if you are one of those I'm asking
a lot of questions, please forgive me for being a pest. Just want to do
things right.
Lowell Metz, Florida 701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
Morgan
You have a right to be stoked, and it does good things for all of us
when members share things like a first solo. Remember, this list not
only shares information on building but helps us stay building by
hearing about days like the one you just had.
Congratulations!!!
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth"
><mwadsworth@factory53.com>
>
>I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one of
>the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally
>stoked about this!
>
>Take care,
>
>Morgan IV
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Mark Wood
Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
University of Vermont
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Bypass Line |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com
Lowell - That's a good question about the fuel return/by-pass line. I
had downloaded and read the installation manual when I went to pick up my
engine from skyshop and asked Danny about it. He told me there is no return
line to the tank. Chip Muldoon don47@aol.com
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| Subject: | Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
For people out there not yet building, just a little input.
When I started I had questions about which plane and which building
materials. I had experience with fiberglass by way of building many
fiberglass whitewater kayaks, but I liked the idea of Al sheets so I
ended up building a Zenith 601HD. I have spent the last four weekends
in my garage building a fiberglass cowling as I went with an O-200
and when I started ZAC had no firewall forward for the O-200.
Am I ever glad I went with Al not fiberglass, for most of my plane. I
had almost forgotten what a pain in the butt it is to work with
fiberglass. I may need to wash the inside of my garage out with a
high pressure fire hose to get all the fiberglass dust out of every
little crack and crevice, not to mention my hair and anything I have
worn into the garage in the last two weeks. And this is with wearing
plastic painting coveralls and a fresh air airmask whenever I was
sanding or grinding. I HATE WORKING WITH FIBERGLASS, but I do love my
plane.
--
Mark Wood
Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
University of Vermont
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| Subject: | Header Tank - Thanks! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Thanks for all the replies (both public and private).
Around 2 or 3 years ago a lot of builders seemed to be more pro-header
tank with the LE tanks, but it now appears that there has been a lot of
success with just the wing tanks which is great - very straight forward
and less plumbing has to be better. If you have the baggage lockers as
well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for
the longer trips if needed.
Thanks!!!!
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 11:55:00 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Mark.Wood@uvm.edu writes:
>
> For people out there not yet building, just a little input.
>
> When I started I had questions about which plane and which building
> materials. I had experience with fiberglass by way of building many
> fiberglass whitewater kayaks, but I liked the idea of Al sheets so I
> ended up building a Zenith 601HD. I have spent the last four weekends
> in my garage building a fiberglass cowling as I went with an O-200
> and when I started ZAC had no firewall forward for the O-200.
>
> Am I ever glad I went with Al not fiberglass, for most of my plane. I
> had almost forgotten what a pain in the butt it is to work with
> fiberglass. I may need to wash the inside of my garage out with a
> high pressure fire hose to get all the fiberglass dust out of every
> little crack and crevice, not to mention my hair and anything I have
> worn into the garage in the last two weeks. And this is with wearing
> plastic painting coveralls and a fresh air airmask whenever I was
> sanding or grinding. I HATE WORKING WITH FIBERGLASS, but I do love my
> plane.
>
> --
> Mark Wood
> Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
> University of Vermont
>
You and I both hate fiberglass. I am itching just reading your story.!!!<grin>
. I am installing a V-8 Ford in my 801 and making a fiberglass cowling is
the ONLY thing I am dreading. The rest of the plane has been a great
experience. Of course, once we find out why the 801 in California that
scattered over half a county is known, only then will I get a good nights
sleep again.
Ben Haas. N801BH. Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Morgan, I share a smile with you ! Congratulations
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
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-----Original Message-----
>I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one
of
>the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally
>stoked about this!
>
>Take care,
>
>Morgan IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Holes in Seat front on CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Johann,
There are pros and cons to routing fuel lines either way. Behind and
under the seat is good but it creates a low point in the line under the
back of the seat. There is no access there so it would be interesting to
try to fit a gascolator or water drain. You would have to make a service
hatch in the seat in order to access it. If you run the lines down the
forward door frames they are more vulnerable in the event of a crash. I
would be interested in what others think on this one.
Cheers,
Phil Miller
New Zealand
701/912S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Johann G.
Subject: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello List members.
I posted a question a few days ago, and I may have confused builders
with the wrong part.
I am about to drill the seat front for battery cable, rudder cables,
pitot and static tubes, trim wire, and fuel line. My intension was to
route the fuel lines from wing tanks over the doors and down along the
window frames to the header tank. Has anyone done it this way?
The reason is that I do not want the fuel line to go all the way down
behind and under the seat and then back up to the header tank, or on the
floor.
Your advise is very much appreciated, because I do not have the chance
to look at any other 701 in this area, and Sun and Fun is out of the
question this year.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Don,
I have the setup with LE wings only (no heater tanks). No problem with this
setup. Like Randy I have electrical pumps for each tanks, which are supposed
to run constantly. However, I have tested to run the engine (912) without
the electrical pumps running - no problem, the engine run fine (the risk of
vapour lock is much higher, of course).
Like Randy, I have a small, tiny leak around the fuel level probe of the
left LE tank. Will try a fix with some sealing material. The better way
would be to mount the probes from the top of the tank.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <r5t0ut@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <r5t0ut@earthlink.net>
>
> Don
>
> The only problem that I have with mine is that I have to have the fuel
pump
> running constantly. That may vary according to your particular setup (carb
> placement, size of tubing, how many 90 deg bends). I'm not pleased with
the
> placement of the fuel sender, on the side of the tank. The screw holes are
> weeping fuel, but I think I can get past that. I'm going to try some
> Permatex 518. If that doesn't work, then I'll get some Proseal. Some have
> complained that their tanks leak around the welds. I haven't had that
> problem and hopefully ZAC has that straightened out now.
>
> Randy Stout
> CH 601 HD
> r5t0ut@earthlink.net
> http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header?
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
> >
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no
> > header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into
> > problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just
> > LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats).
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Don Honabach
> > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Bypass Line |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
The fuel bypass is used in certified Rotax installations. The bypass is
sized down with an orifice in the return(bypass) line and dumps back in the
tank. This line is to eliminate any vapor problems by keeping cold fuel in
the line right up to the point that it splits to the individual carbs. Any
vapor just dumps in the gas tank which is all vapor above the fuel level
anyway. Many find they don't need the line to operate vapor free.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Bypass Line
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
> I am finally installing the 912 S in my 701. One of the manuals calls for
a fuel bypass line from the pressure side of the fuel pump back to the tank
in addition to feeding the two carbs which would in effect create a 4 way
manifold. One pressure line in and three out. I have a two fold question.
Are others installing the bypass line. If so can I run it back to the
firewall and plug it in just upstream of the gascolator. ( I added a
regular A/C gascolator low on the firewall as the last quick drain / sump ).
I'll be asking a lot of questions and taking a lot of pictures at S-N-F so
if you are one of those I'm asking a lot of questions, please forgive me for
being a pest. Just want to do things right.
> Lowell Metz, Florida 701
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
> I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo
> Morgan IV
>
++ I remember how awsome the feeling is. Congrats !!
Fred H
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| Subject: | Re: Header Tank - Thanks! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
don@pcperfect.com writes:
> If you have the baggage lockers as
> well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for
> the longer trips if needed.
>
IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and them
daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons per
side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit I
was thinking of doing at a ltare date.
One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system) is
that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually
gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel pump
on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both have
to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank
to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are
going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think
about.....
Talk to you later,
SF
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dm10495@cedarnet.org>
How do you measure control cable tension?
Doug Mattson 601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Morgan, wish you is the first of 1,000's of great (and
safe) flights.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- Morgan Wadsworth <mwadsworth@factory53.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth"
> <mwadsworth@factory53.com>
>
> I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was
> one of
> the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm
> totally
> stoked about this!
>
> Take care,
>
> Morgan IV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers <clydes-shop@juno.com>
HI: Mark
I used a 2" Pipe on a12' table and stapes it down If you wont more
Information Call Me at 817-361-0408
in fort Worth I am working on CH 200/300 From Scratch I have 90% of the
feathers done and about 60% of the Fuselage starting to put the tail on
and aline.
Clyde Ehlers #CH 25
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:00:04 -0500 "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend"
> <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders.
> How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit
> builders
> have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no
> such
> luck. ANY suggestions are welcome !
>
> Thanks
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
> Alma, Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yours Truly,
Clyde Ehlers
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| Subject: | Re: Header Tank - Thanks! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 3/27/03 5:00 PM, STEFREE@aol.com at STEFREE@aol.com wrote:
> In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are
> going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think
> about.....
>
> Talk to you later,
>
> SF
With the Subaru, the ignition is also run by the electrical system. If your
engine is going to quit anyway, it's probably best if your fuel pumps stop
also. ;)
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Header Tank - Thanks! |
03/27/2003 07:54:30 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Does someone actually supply wing locker tanks? I would like to increase
the fuel capacity above the 24 gallons and a 16 gallon increase would be
ideal. I'll be getting my wings soon and would like to here from anyone
that's done something like this, or even checked into it.
Craig Spainhower
601 XL
STEFREE@aol.com
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tronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
Header Tank - Thanks!
03/27/03 05:00 PM
Please respond to
zenith-list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
don@pcperfect.com writes:
> If you have the baggage lockers as
> well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for
> the longer trips if needed.
>
IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and
them
daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons
per
side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit
I
was thinking of doing at a ltare date.
One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system)
is
that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually
gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel
pump
on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both
have
to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank
to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are
going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think
about.....
Talk to you later,
SF
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| Subject: | CH601XL horizontal stabiliser problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Would anyone who has constructed the 601XL horizonal stabiliser mind
advising me how they achieved the 8mm minimum edge distance (on both the
rear spar attach bracket and upper doubler) on the upper 5 rivet holes. I
am having trouble getting more than 6.9mm using the dimensions from the
construction drawings without filing a radius on the upper edge of the rear
spar attach.
Regards
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
S/No. 5075
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
David,
I can tell from my own experience many decades ago you will never forget
the first time you pulled that plane into the air and the seat besides
you is empty.
Tim Shankland
David Barth wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>I remember that amazing high. Congrats Morgan.
>David
>do not archive
>
>
>
>>I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first
>>solo, and it was one of
>>the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug
>>everyone, but I'm totally
>>stoked about this!
>>
>>Take care,
>>
>>Morgan IV
>>
>>
>>
>
>=====
>David Barth
>601 XL Plansbuilder
>Currently making parts.
>Stab and Rudder waiting for skins
>
>http://platinum.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" <paulrod36@msn.com>
I bought the kit, so it's a moot point with me, but I thought I'd point out
that Cessna uses two pieces for leading edge. There really doesn't seem to
be any great reason you couldn't do the same thing, using a 1 inch overlap
at NR 5 or NR6. Anybodt else done that?
Paul Rodriguez
Doin' XL wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
> Mark,
>
> Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of
> aluminum.
>
> I don't have the answer to your question, and it may be that a one piece
> skin may be the best answer.
>
> I just want to help you ensure that you're asking the right question.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> > Mark Townsend wrote:
> >
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > >
> > >Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders.
> > >How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The
> > Kit builders
> > >have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no
such
> > >luck. ANY suggestions are welcome !
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
With a tensiometer. Look in Aircraft Spruce catalog.
There are various models from 32$ to 800+$ I'm using
the CT-1 Economy cable tensiometer.
Michel
--- Doug Mattson <dm10495@cedarnet.org> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson"
> <dm10495@cedarnet.org>
>
> How do you measure control cable tension?
> Doug Mattson 601XL
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | LE Wing Tanks - Removable? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: prm@softhome.net
I've often wondered if it was possible to install
LE tanks with a monster removable panel incorporating
the leading edge. The advantage of course would be easy
repair in case of leaks and possibly even transportable
tanks to fill them.
What are the problems? Would the structural integrity of the
wing be compromised?
Thanks
Perry Morrison
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 7:44:41 PM Mountain Standard Time,
mtherr@yahoo.com writes:
>
> With a tensiometer. Look in Aircraft Spruce catalog.
> There are various models from 32$ to 800+$ I'm using
> the CT-1 Economy cable tensiometer.
>
> Michel
>
>
I bought the one thats 116.00 from AS/S and it works good. I was real lucky
or good because when I rough set the cable tension and then put on the meter
I was close. The 801 calls for 30 lbs + or - 5 lbs. All mine were 29-31 just
by feel. Ben Haas.N801BH.
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| Subject: | Who Supplies Wing Locker tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: prm@softhome.net
Regarding the following query, I've installed a poor man's
locker tank using a 22 litre outboard plastic tank. Getting
a tank with the right profile is a pain but doable- just look
at catalogues for dimensions.
The key was to reinforce the locker floor with "panelrib"-
similar to the alumnium siding used in caravans. For a few
oz of weight the floor is incredibly strong- I can stand inside
it without distortion. There is no riveting through the bottom
skin.
I've yet to mount the pump to transfer the tank contents into my
60L header tank, but see no problems. Restraining the tank is also
easy with some L angle and a made to length bungees.
In all, 10% of the cost of the Zenair price.
Hope to have photos up soon.
Perry Morrison
caspainhower@aep.com writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> Does someone actually supply wing locker tanks? I would like to increase
> the fuel capacity above the 24 gallons and a 16 gallon increase would be
> ideal. I'll be getting my wings soon and would like to here from anyone
> that's done something like this, or even checked into it.
>
> Craig Spainhower
> 601 XL
>
>
>
> STEFREE@aol.com
> Sent by: To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc:
> tronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
Header Tank - Thanks!
>
>
> 03/27/03 05:00 PM
> Please respond to
> zenith-list
>
>
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> don@pcperfect.com writes:
>
>> If you have the baggage lockers as
>> well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for
>> the longer trips if needed.
>>
>
> IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and
> them
> daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons
> per
> side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit
> I
> was thinking of doing at a ltare date.
>
> One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system)
> is
> that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually
>
> gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel
> pump
> on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both
> have
> to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank
>
> to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are
> going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think
> about.....
>
> Talk to you later,
>
> SF
>
>
> This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the
> Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole
> use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and
> privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message.
>
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________
Dr. Perry Morrison
Morrison Associates Pty Ltd
(08) 89 88 4617
prm@softhome.net
PO Box 1483 Humpty Doo, NT 0836
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| Subject: | Rudder peddle distance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
At 5'11" are the rudder peddles at 245mm comfortable to use or should I move
them out to 200mm? I can't seem to find any mention other than " for max
legroom" in the drawings. Also, it seems like a lot of " hodge podge" with
all of the peddle support pieces on the cabin floor. I have seen other kits
where the peddles are built on one large piece of heavy channel and then
installed on the floor. Has anyone done anything like this?
Thanks, Jack Russell Clovis-CA
601XL Firewall done
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Doug,
It shouldn't be hard or expensive to tension cables. I built a tenson gage
quite easily using cable bearings from an over head door and two pieces
of 4130. Cost $15. and very accurate as calibrated.
You can find it on my website www.macsmachine.com
Larry McFarland - 601hds
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: cable tension
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dm10495@cedarnet.org>
>
> How do you measure control cable tension?
> Doug Mattson 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
Johann
The 3/8 line on the left is my fuel line. I will have a drain at the bottom
behind the seat and a gascolator on the lower firewall. I will be able to
trap any water before it goes up to the carbs.
Dave Smith
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