---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/27/03: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Mark Townsend) 2. 05:28 AM - Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Johann G.) 3. 08:37 AM - Re: Elevator UP stop and cable tension (Grant Corriveau) 4. 08:37 AM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Grant Corriveau) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? (Paul Sharpe) 6. 09:03 AM - First solo: (Morgan Wadsworth) 7. 09:36 AM - Re: First solo: (David Barth) 8. 10:25 AM - Fuel Bypass Line (Lowell Metz) 9. 10:37 AM - Re: First solo: (Mark A. Wood) 10. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel Bypass Line (Doon47@aol.com) 11. 10:54 AM - Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass (Mark A. Wood) 12. 11:09 AM - Header Tank - Thanks! (Don Honabach) 13. 11:31 AM - Re: Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass (Benford2@aol.com) 14. 12:23 PM - Re: First solo: (Mark Townsend) 15. 12:28 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Phil & Michele Miller) 16. 01:33 PM - Re: Wing Tanks - No Header? () 17. 01:43 PM - Re: Fuel Bypass Line (Dave Alberti) 18. 01:53 PM - Re: First solo: (Fred or Sandy Hulen) 19. 02:01 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (STEFREE@aol.com) 20. 03:18 PM - cable tension (Doug Mattson) 21. 04:13 PM - Re: First solo: (Gary Gower) 22. 04:37 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (Clyde D Ehlers) 23. 04:42 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (Bryan Martin) 24. 04:56 PM - Re: Header Tank - Thanks! (caspainhower@aep.com) 25. 05:00 PM - CH601XL horizontal stabiliser problems (Wayne Glasser) 26. 05:18 PM - Re: First solo: (Tim & Diane Shankland) 27. 06:10 PM - Re: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin (paulrod36) 28. 06:43 PM - Re: cable tension (Michel Therrien) 29. 07:07 PM - LE Wing Tanks - Removable? (prm@softhome.net) 30. 07:17 PM - Re: cable tension (Benford2@aol.com) 31. 07:21 PM - Who Supplies Wing Locker tanks (prm@softhome.net) 32. 07:46 PM - Rudder peddle distance (CLOJAN@aol.com) 33. 08:11 PM - Re: cable tension (Larry McFarland) 34. 10:05 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com) 35. 10:19 PM - Re: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 (Dabusmith@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:54 AM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Matt your right. It needn't be a single piece of aluminum, but just think of how nice it would look if it was. I know it is a pain but I'd rather not add another seam. Thanks Mark do not archive -----Original Message----- >Mark, > >Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of >aluminum. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:22 AM PST US From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello List members. I posted a question a few days ago, and I may have confused builders with the wrong part. I am about to drill the seat front for battery cable, rudder cables, pitot and static tubes, trim wire, and fuel line. My intension was to route the fuel lines from wing tanks over the doors and down along the window frames to the header tank. Has anyone done it this way? The reason is that I do not want the fuel line to go all the way down behind and under the seat and then back up to the header tank, or on the floor. Your advise is very much appreciated, because I do not have the chance to look at any other 701 in this area, and Sun and Fun is out of the question this year. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Elevator UP stop and cable tension From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau >> The cable tension on my elevator varies (a lot) as I >> move the elevator. I have 25 lbs full down and more >> than 40 lbs full up. Others have that kind of >> situation? I think that the cable tension is meant as a 'static' measurement - with the controls resting in the 'gravity - stop' position -- the elevator resting on the downstop. From previous remarks on this list, I belived that this is not a critical measurement - but a guideline to keep slack out of the cables without overstressing the hinges etc.. AS ALWAYS - best to check with Nick or someone at Zenair. fwiw Grant Corriveau ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? Many 601s are built with wing tanks only - probably some good info in the archives - I know there were many threads about fuel pump locations and filters, etc.. The facet fuel pumps provided run full time in the automotive environment, so should not be a problem on the aircraft to run full time (i.e. assuming your engine does not have a mechanical pump). Just remember to account for this when designing the electrical system. Grant Corriveau 601 HDS with le wing tanks only ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:02 AM PST US From: "Paul Sharpe" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Honabach" > > Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no > header (small or large) tank? Don, I built my 601HD with LE tanks and no header. I have two Facet electric fuel pumps, one at the outlet of each tank. From there the two fuel lines come through the respective wing roots into the cockpit where I have a shutoff valve in each. Downstream from the shutoff valves the two are T'd into one line and then to a gascolator on the lower firewall, followed by a single line to the engine driven pump (Rotax 912S). I have verified that the system works well without the electric pumps on; in other words, the engine driven pump will suck fuel through the electric pumps quite effectively. However, several people on this forum have indicated that it is much safer to operate with the fuel system pressurized , rather than under suction, so in practice I normally operate with the electric pumps on all of the time. Paul Sharpe C-IABP ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:48 AM PST US From: "Morgan Wadsworth" Subject: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one of the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally stoked about this! Take care, Morgan IV ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:45 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth I remember that amazing high. Congrats Morgan. David do not archive > I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first > solo, and it was one of > the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug > everyone, but I'm totally > stoked about this! > > Take care, > > Morgan IV > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab and Rudder waiting for skins http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:01 AM PST US From: "Lowell Metz" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Bypass Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" I am finally installing the 912 S in my 701. One of the manuals calls for a fuel bypass line from the pressure side of the fuel pump back to the tank in addition to feeding the two carbs which would in effect create a 4 way manifold. One pressure line in and three out. I have a two fold question. Are others installing the bypass line. If so can I run it back to the firewall and plug it in just upstream of the gascolator. ( I added a regular A/C gascolator low on the firewall as the last quick drain / sump ). I'll be asking a lot of questions and taking a lot of pictures at S-N-F so if you are one of those I'm asking a lot of questions, please forgive me for being a pest. Just want to do things right. Lowell Metz, Florida 701 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:43 AM PST US From: "Mark A. Wood" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" Morgan You have a right to be stoked, and it does good things for all of us when members share things like a first solo. Remember, this list not only shares information on building but helps us stay building by hearing about days like the one you just had. Congratulations!!! >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" > > >I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one of >the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally >stoked about this! > >Take care, > >Morgan IV -- Mark Wood Center on Disability and Community Inclusion University of Vermont ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:51 AM PST US From: Doon47@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Bypass Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com Lowell - That's a good question about the fuel return/by-pass line. I had downloaded and read the installation manual when I went to pick up my engine from skyshop and asked Danny about it. He told me there is no return line to the tank. Chip Muldoon don47@aol.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:29 AM PST US From: "Mark A. Wood" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" For people out there not yet building, just a little input. When I started I had questions about which plane and which building materials. I had experience with fiberglass by way of building many fiberglass whitewater kayaks, but I liked the idea of Al sheets so I ended up building a Zenith 601HD. I have spent the last four weekends in my garage building a fiberglass cowling as I went with an O-200 and when I started ZAC had no firewall forward for the O-200. Am I ever glad I went with Al not fiberglass, for most of my plane. I had almost forgotten what a pain in the butt it is to work with fiberglass. I may need to wash the inside of my garage out with a high pressure fire hose to get all the fiberglass dust out of every little crack and crevice, not to mention my hair and anything I have worn into the garage in the last two weeks. And this is with wearing plastic painting coveralls and a fresh air airmask whenever I was sanding or grinding. I HATE WORKING WITH FIBERGLASS, but I do love my plane. -- Mark Wood Center on Disability and Community Inclusion University of Vermont ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" Thanks for all the replies (both public and private). Around 2 or 3 years ago a lot of builders seemed to be more pro-header tank with the LE tanks, but it now appears that there has been a lot of success with just the wing tanks which is great - very straight forward and less plumbing has to be better. If you have the baggage lockers as well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for the longer trips if needed. Thanks!!!! Don do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:18 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Aluminum not fiberglass --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2003 11:55:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, Mark.Wood@uvm.edu writes: > > For people out there not yet building, just a little input. > > When I started I had questions about which plane and which building > materials. I had experience with fiberglass by way of building many > fiberglass whitewater kayaks, but I liked the idea of Al sheets so I > ended up building a Zenith 601HD. I have spent the last four weekends > in my garage building a fiberglass cowling as I went with an O-200 > and when I started ZAC had no firewall forward for the O-200. > > Am I ever glad I went with Al not fiberglass, for most of my plane. I > had almost forgotten what a pain in the butt it is to work with > fiberglass. I may need to wash the inside of my garage out with a > high pressure fire hose to get all the fiberglass dust out of every > little crack and crevice, not to mention my hair and anything I have > worn into the garage in the last two weeks. And this is with wearing > plastic painting coveralls and a fresh air airmask whenever I was > sanding or grinding. I HATE WORKING WITH FIBERGLASS, but I do love my > plane. > > -- > Mark Wood > Center on Disability and Community Inclusion > University of Vermont > You and I both hate fiberglass. I am itching just reading your story.!!! . I am installing a V-8 Ford in my 801 and making a fiberglass cowling is the ONLY thing I am dreading. The rest of the plane has been a great experience. Of course, once we find out why the 801 in California that scattered over half a county is known, only then will I get a good nights sleep again. Ben Haas. N801BH. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:12 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Morgan, I share a smile with you ! Congratulations Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo do not archive -----Original Message----- >I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was one of >the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm totally >stoked about this! > >Take care, > >Morgan IV > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:59 PM PST US From: "Phil & Michele Miller" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" Johann, There are pros and cons to routing fuel lines either way. Behind and under the seat is good but it creates a low point in the line under the back of the seat. There is no access there so it would be interesting to try to fit a gascolator or water drain. You would have to make a service hatch in the seat in order to access it. If you run the lines down the forward door frames they are more vulnerable in the event of a crash. I would be interested in what others think on this one. Cheers, Phil Miller New Zealand 701/912S -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Johann G. Subject: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello List members. I posted a question a few days ago, and I may have confused builders with the wrong part. I am about to drill the seat front for battery cable, rudder cables, pitot and static tubes, trim wire, and fuel line. My intension was to route the fuel lines from wing tanks over the doors and down along the window frames to the header tank. Has anyone done it this way? The reason is that I do not want the fuel line to go all the way down behind and under the seat and then back up to the header tank, or on the floor. Your advise is very much appreciated, because I do not have the chance to look at any other 701 in this area, and Sun and Fun is out of the question this year. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:33 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hi Don, I have the setup with LE wings only (no heater tanks). No problem with this setup. Like Randy I have electrical pumps for each tanks, which are supposed to run constantly. However, I have tested to run the engine (912) without the electrical pumps running - no problem, the engine run fine (the risk of vapour lock is much higher, of course). Like Randy, I have a small, tiny leak around the fuel level probe of the left LE tank. Will try a fix with some sealing material. The better way would be to mount the probes from the top of the tank. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" > > Don > > The only problem that I have with mine is that I have to have the fuel pump > running constantly. That may vary according to your particular setup (carb > placement, size of tubing, how many 90 deg bends). I'm not pleased with the > placement of the fuel sender, on the side of the tank. The screw holes are > weeping fuel, but I think I can get past that. I'm going to try some > Permatex 518. If that doesn't work, then I'll get some Proseal. Some have > complained that their tanks leak around the welds. I haven't had that > problem and hopefully ZAC has that straightened out now. > > Randy Stout > CH 601 HD > r5t0ut@earthlink.net > http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Honabach" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Tanks - No Header? > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Has anyone built their 601 with just leading edge wing tanks and no > > header (small or large) tank? Just curious if any folks ran into > > problems with this approach. Also, if using the Subaru engine with just > > LE tanks where the battery ended up (firewall or behind the seats). > > > > Thanks! > > Don Honabach > > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:32 PM PST US From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Bypass Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" The fuel bypass is used in certified Rotax installations. The bypass is sized down with an orifice in the return(bypass) line and dumps back in the tank. This line is to eliminate any vapor problems by keeping cold fuel in the line right up to the point that it splits to the individual carbs. Any vapor just dumps in the gas tank which is all vapor above the fuel level anyway. Many find they don't need the line to operate vapor free. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Metz" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Bypass Line > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" > > I am finally installing the 912 S in my 701. One of the manuals calls for a fuel bypass line from the pressure side of the fuel pump back to the tank in addition to feeding the two carbs which would in effect create a 4 way manifold. One pressure line in and three out. I have a two fold question. Are others installing the bypass line. If so can I run it back to the firewall and plug it in just upstream of the gascolator. ( I added a regular A/C gascolator low on the firewall as the last quick drain / sump ). I'll be asking a lot of questions and taking a lot of pictures at S-N-F so if you are one of those I'm asking a lot of questions, please forgive me for being a pest. Just want to do things right. > Lowell Metz, Florida 701 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:59 PM PST US From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" > I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo > Morgan IV > ++ I remember how awsome the feeling is. Congrats !! Fred H do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:20 PM PST US From: STEFREE@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, don@pcperfect.com writes: > If you have the baggage lockers as > well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for > the longer trips if needed. > IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and them daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons per side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit I was thinking of doing at a ltare date. One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system) is that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel pump on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both have to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think about..... Talk to you later, SF ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:52 PM PST US From: "Doug Mattson" Subject: Zenith-List: cable tension --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" How do you measure control cable tension? Doug Mattson 601XL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:12 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Congratulations Morgan, wish you is the first of 1,000's of great (and safe) flights. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Morgan Wadsworth wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" > > > I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first solo, and it was > one of > the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug everyone, but I'm > totally > stoked about this! > > Take care, > > Morgan IV > > > > > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin From: Clyde D Ehlers --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clyde D Ehlers HI: Mark I used a 2" Pipe on a12' table and stapes it down If you wont more Information Call Me at 817-361-0408 in fort Worth I am working on CH 200/300 From Scratch I have 90% of the feathers done and about 60% of the Fuselage starting to put the tail on and aline. Clyde Ehlers #CH 25 On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:00:04 -0500 "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" > <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders. > How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The Kit > builders > have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no > such > luck. ANY suggestions are welcome ! > > Thanks > Mark Townsend > 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo > Alma, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > Yours Truly, Clyde Ehlers ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:06 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 3/27/03 5:00 PM, STEFREE@aol.com at STEFREE@aol.com wrote: > In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are > going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think > about..... > > Talk to you later, > > SF With the Subaru, the ignition is also run by the electrical system. If your engine is going to quit anyway, it's probably best if your fuel pumps stop also. ;) -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! From: caspainhower@aep.com 03/27/2003 07:54:30 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Does someone actually supply wing locker tanks? I would like to increase the fuel capacity above the 24 gallons and a 16 gallon increase would be ideal. I'll be getting my wings soon and would like to here from anyone that's done something like this, or even checked into it. Craig Spainhower 601 XL STEFREE@aol.com Sent by: To: zenith-list@matronics.com owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc: tronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! 03/27/03 05:00 PM Please respond to zenith-list --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, don@pcperfect.com writes: > If you have the baggage lockers as > well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for > the longer trips if needed. > IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and them daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons per side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit I was thinking of doing at a ltare date. One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system) is that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel pump on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both have to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think about..... Talk to you later, SF This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:51 PM PST US From: "Wayne Glasser" Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XL horizontal stabiliser problems --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Would anyone who has constructed the 601XL horizonal stabiliser mind advising me how they achieved the 8mm minimum edge distance (on both the rear spar attach bracket and upper doubler) on the upper 5 rivet holes. I am having trouble getting more than 6.9mm using the dimensions from the construction drawings without filing a radius on the upper edge of the rear spar attach. Regards Wayne Glasser Sydney - Australia S/No. 5075 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:20 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First solo: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland David, I can tell from my own experience many decades ago you will never forget the first time you pulled that plane into the air and the seat besides you is empty. Tim Shankland David Barth wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > >I remember that amazing high. Congrats Morgan. >David >do not archive > > > >>I just had to tell anyone...I Just finished my first >>solo, and it was one of >>the best experiences of my life! Sorry to bug >>everyone, but I'm totally >>stoked about this! >> >>Take care, >> >>Morgan IV >> >> >> > >===== >David Barth >601 XL Plansbuilder >Currently making parts. >Stab and Rudder waiting for skins > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:52 PM PST US From: "paulrod36" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "paulrod36" I bought the kit, so it's a moot point with me, but I thought I'd point out that Cessna uses two pieces for leading edge. There really doesn't seem to be any great reason you couldn't do the same thing, using a 1 inch overlap at NR 5 or NR6. Anybodt else done that? Paul Rodriguez Doin' XL wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HELP ! 601XL Wing Nose Skin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" > > Mark, > > Don't be blinded into assuming it MUST be a SINGLE twelve-foot piece of > aluminum. > > I don't have the answer to your question, and it may be that a one piece > skin may be the best answer. > > I just want to help you ensure that you're asking the right question. > > -Matt > > > > Mark Townsend wrote: > > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > > > >Quick Question for all of you 601XL Scratch builders. > > >How did you folks do your 12 foot nose skin on the wings? The > > Kit builders > > >have a bend radius already but I'm building from scratch and have no such > > >luck. ANY suggestions are welcome ! > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:18 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cable tension --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien With a tensiometer. Look in Aircraft Spruce catalog. There are various models from 32$ to 800+$ I'm using the CT-1 Economy cable tensiometer. Michel --- Doug Mattson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" > > > How do you measure control cable tension? > Doug Mattson 601XL ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:05 PM PST US From: prm@softhome.net Subject: Zenith-List: LE Wing Tanks - Removable? --> Zenith-List message posted by: prm@softhome.net I've often wondered if it was possible to install LE tanks with a monster removable panel incorporating the leading edge. The advantage of course would be easy repair in case of leaks and possibly even transportable tanks to fill them. What are the problems? Would the structural integrity of the wing be compromised? Thanks Perry Morrison ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:31 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cable tension --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2003 7:44:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, mtherr@yahoo.com writes: > > With a tensiometer. Look in Aircraft Spruce catalog. > There are various models from 32$ to 800+$ I'm using > the CT-1 Economy cable tensiometer. > > Michel > > I bought the one thats 116.00 from AS/S and it works good. I was real lucky or good because when I rough set the cable tension and then put on the meter I was close. The 801 calls for 30 lbs + or - 5 lbs. All mine were 29-31 just by feel. Ben Haas.N801BH. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:03 PM PST US From: prm@softhome.net Subject: Zenith-List: Who Supplies Wing Locker tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: prm@softhome.net Regarding the following query, I've installed a poor man's locker tank using a 22 litre outboard plastic tank. Getting a tank with the right profile is a pain but doable- just look at catalogues for dimensions. The key was to reinforce the locker floor with "panelrib"- similar to the alumnium siding used in caravans. For a few oz of weight the floor is incredibly strong- I can stand inside it without distortion. There is no riveting through the bottom skin. I've yet to mount the pump to transfer the tank contents into my 60L header tank, but see no problems. Restraining the tank is also easy with some L angle and a made to length bungees. In all, 10% of the cost of the Zenair price. Hope to have photos up soon. Perry Morrison caspainhower@aep.com writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com > > > Does someone actually supply wing locker tanks? I would like to increase > the fuel capacity above the 24 gallons and a 16 gallon increase would be > ideal. I'll be getting my wings soon and would like to here from anyone > that's done something like this, or even checked into it. > > Craig Spainhower > 601 XL > > > > STEFREE@aol.com > Sent by: To: zenith-list@matronics.com > owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc: > tronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Header Tank - Thanks! > > > 03/27/03 05:00 PM > Please respond to > zenith-list > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:10:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > don@pcperfect.com writes: > >> If you have the baggage lockers as >> well, you can always rig something up in there to carry extra fuel for >> the longer trips if needed. >> > > IF you wnat to get fancy, you can even install the wing locker tanks and > them > daisy chain them into the fuel system itself and have an extra 8 gallons > per > side. I seriously considered doing this and in all honesty was a retro fit > I > was thinking of doing at a ltare date. > > One of the reasons I like the header tank (and the auto fuel fill system) > is > that if the header tank is full, down to about half full, there is actually > > gravvity feed to the carbs. As you know, the Subaru engine has no fuel > pump > on it at all. So, if your fuel pumps fail on the fire wall (I know both > have > to fail) you last line of defense is the gravity feed from the header tank > > to the engine. In the wing tank only version, if your pumps fail, you are > going down......Same for an electrical failure...something to think > about..... > > Talk to you later, > > SF > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > > > > > ______________________________ Dr. Perry Morrison Morrison Associates Pty Ltd (08) 89 88 4617 prm@softhome.net PO Box 1483 Humpty Doo, NT 0836 ______________________________ ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:11 PM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder peddle distance --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com At 5'11" are the rudder peddles at 245mm comfortable to use or should I move them out to 200mm? I can't seem to find any mention other than " for max legroom" in the drawings. Also, it seems like a lot of " hodge podge" with all of the peddle support pieces on the cabin floor. I have seen other kits where the peddles are built on one large piece of heavy channel and then installed on the floor. Has anyone done anything like this? Thanks, Jack Russell Clovis-CA 601XL Firewall done ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:57 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cable tension --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Doug, It shouldn't be hard or expensive to tension cables. I built a tenson gage quite easily using cable bearings from an over head door and two pieces of 4130. Cost $15. and very accurate as calibrated. You can find it on my website www.macsmachine.com Larry McFarland - 601hds ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Zenith-List: cable tension > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" > > How do you measure control cable tension? > Doug Mattson 601XL ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:47 PM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:02 PM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Holes in Seat front on CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com Johann The 3/8 line on the left is my fuel line. I will have a drain at the bottom behind the seat and a gascolator on the lower firewall. I will be able to trap any water before it goes up to the carbs. Dave Smith