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1. 09:47 AM - Rear fuselage (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 10:15 AM - Re: Zodie Rockets at SnF (Hodges, Mitch)
3. 02:01 PM - Piano hinge retainment (Wayne Glasser)
4. 02:17 PM - Re: Rear fuselage (Clive Richards)
5. 02:21 PM - Re: Rear fuselage (Larry McFarland)
6. 02:21 PM - Re: Piano hinge retainment (Scott Laughlin)
7. 02:39 PM - Re: Piano hinge retainment (George Swinford)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Piano hinge retainment (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
9. 06:29 PM - Re: Piano hinge retainment (Al Young)
10. 08:14 PM - Rear fuselage (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 08:19 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 04/07/03 (Greg P Jannakos)
12. 08:42 PM - Re: Rear fuselage (Dave Alberti)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hi:
I have a question for those who have "been there". On
step 17 of the rear fuselage draft manual (601 HD)
it calls to drill the rear middle side skins to the
H.T. frames. Since I'm building from a kit, my rear
side skins come pre drilled. The problem is that the
pre drilled holes that go to the HT frames are not in
a 90 degree angle, they are like slanted to the rear
of the skin, so the only way to attach the HT frames
is to "lean" them towards the tail.
The plans call for the
HT frames to be at a 90 degree angle so I don't know
if this would be critical. How slanted are they? If a
draw a line at 90 degrees that goes from bottom to
top of the skin,
the most upper hole is off by 11mm.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.
Ivan Rosales
Mexico City.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodie Rockets at SnF |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hodges, Mitch" <n601mh@bellsouth.net>
Sadly, by the time I got there on Sunday there were only two left. In fact
the entire experimental area had maybe 30 planes in it. I was afraid this
would happen with the new time format, oh well, we'll know better next year.
I just couldn't make it on Saturday this year because we were at Disney
watching my son's middle school Jazz band perform.
The two that were on the flightline can be viewed on my website at
http://www.hodges.info. You can also see the world's slowest 601HDS
builders log there.
There's also a shot of a DC3 on floats (my favorite return visitor), the
Hummingbird helicopter, the "new" Wright Flyer, and a couple of action shots
from the airshow, where I was playing with my new digital camera. Not a lot
of pictures this year, because there just wasn't anything new.
Mitch Hodges
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| Subject: | Piano hinge retainment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Would constructors mind enlightening me as to what methods they have used to
retain the piano hinge wire on their elevators and trim tabs etc.
Regards
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
610XL 5075
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| Subject: | Re: Rear fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rear fuselage
Hi Ivan
Ray Lasmier informs me his manual is correct the holes & HT Frame
will be at right angles to main loungeron &
top edge but not to bottom edge.
Are you building upside down ? He did find
the hole spacing was not the same as the drawing
but used spacing of pre drilled holes. He suggests you L angle fit
diagional bracings between HT frames to prevent
oil canning.
do not archive
Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier 601 HD G CBDG continental 0-200 90%
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Hi:
> I have a question for those who have "been there". On
> step 17 of the rear fuselage draft manual (601 HD)
> it calls to drill the rear middle side skins to the
> H.T. frames. Since I'm building from a kit, my rear
> side skins come pre drilled. The problem is that the
> pre drilled holes that go to the HT frames are not in
> a 90 degree angle, they are like slanted to the rear
> of the skin, so the only way to attach the HT frames
> is to "lean" them towards the tail.
> The plans call for the
> HT frames to be at a 90 degree angle so I don't know
> if this would be critical. How slanted are they? If a
> draw a line at 90 degrees that goes from bottom to
> top of the skin,
> the most upper hole is off by 11mm.
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Thank you.
> Ivan Rosales
> Mexico City.
>
>
> La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes.
http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ivan,
The rear fuselage side frames are all 90-degrees as measured
from the top longeron, with exception to the pickup angles
that align with the front spar and the frame channels that align and
attach to the rear spar web. These have their own angle.
I hope this helps.
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: Rear fuselage
> Hi:
> I have a question for those who have "been there". On
> step 17 of the rear fuselage draft manual (601 HD)
> it calls to drill the rear middle side skins to the
> H.T. frames. Since I'm building from a kit, my rear
> side skins come pre drilled. The problem is that the
> pre drilled holes that go to the HT frames are not in
> a 90 degree angle, they are like slanted to the rear
> of the skin, so the only way to attach the HT frames
> is to "lean" them towards the tail.
> The plans call for the
> HT frames to be at a 90 degree angle so I don't know
> if this would be critical. How slanted are they? If a
> draw a line at 90 degrees that goes from bottom to
> top of the skin,
> the most upper hole is off by 11mm.
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Thank you.
> Ivan Rosales
> Mexico City.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge retainment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Wayne:
Here's what my drawings say for the elevator/stabilizer hinge:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Pianohinge.jpg
I plan to do this to all hinges.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL Ser. Num. 5074
Omaha, Nebraska
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge retainment
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Would constructors mind enlightening me as to what methods they have used to
retain the piano hinge wire on their elevators and trim tabs etc.
Regards
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
610XL 5075
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge retainment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@attbi.com>
Wayne:
I have used a 90 degree bend on one end of the hinge pin, securing the bent
end with an aluminum clip retained by a #6 screw and nut.
George Swinford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge retainment
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Would constructors mind enlightening me as to what methods they have used
to
> retain the piano hinge wire on their elevators and trim tabs etc.
>
> Regards
>
> Wayne Glasser
> Sydney - Australia
> 610XL 5075
>
>
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| Subject: | Piano hinge retainment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Drill a little hole in each end of the hinge, and put a little ss wire
though and twist the ends together.
Looks fairly neat and you just have to make sure they are there during your
preflight.
Frank
601HDS with piano hinged ailerons
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Glasser [mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au]
Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge retainment
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser"
--> <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Would constructors mind enlightening me as to what methods they have used to
retain the piano hinge wire on their elevators and trim tabs etc.
Regards
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
610XL 5075
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge retainment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Wayne- I just cut the wire about 4 mm short, drilled a hole in the space
provided on both ends and put a wire in the holes and twisted it. Al Young
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Thanks for the information, you are right, I was
measuring from the bottom longeron. Problem solved.
I have one more question: Are the side skins flush
with the top rear longerons? When I place mine they
are about 5-6 mm above the top longeron. They look
fine in the bottom longeron but not in the top.
<Ivan,
<The rear fuselage side frames are all 90-degrees as
measured
from the top longeron, with exception to the pickup
angles
that align with the front spar and the frame channels
that align and
attach to the rear spar web. These have their own
angle.
I hope this helps.
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Rear fuselage
> Hi:
> I have a question for those who have "been there".
On
> step 17 of the rear fuselage draft manual (601 HD)
> it calls to drill the rear middle side skins to the
> H.T. frames. Since I'm building from a kit, my rear
> side skins come pre drilled. The problem is that the
> pre drilled holes that go to the HT frames are not
in
> a 90 degree angle, they are like slanted to the rear
> of the skin, so the only way to attach the HT frames
> is to "lean" them towards the tail.
> The plans call for the
> HT frames to be at a 90 degree angle so I don't
know
> if this would be critical. How slanted are they? If
a
> draw a line at 90 degrees that goes from bottom to
> top of the skin,
> the most upper hole is off by 11mm.
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Thank you.
> Ivan Rosales
> Mexico City.
>
La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 04/07/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann@juno.com>
Greg Jannakos
Zodiac CH601HDS
Plans building 75% completed
I'm about ready to start on FWF and need to select the engine.
I would appreciate any performance information on the following engines:
Rotax 912 80HP
Jabiru 2200
Corvair
Continental C75/85/90
Continental O200
Thanks
gpjann@juno.com
Atlanta, Ga.
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| Subject: | Re: Rear fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
I started flush with the bottom and trimmed the top because the upper skins
cover the top.
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rear fuselage
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Thanks for the information, you are right, I was
> measuring from the bottom longeron. Problem solved.
> I have one more question: Are the side skins flush
> with the top rear longerons? When I place mine they
> are about 5-6 mm above the top longeron. They look
> fine in the bottom longeron but not in the top.
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