---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/11/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - Got a good source of 4130N? (David Barth) 2. 12:34 PM - XL Top side of skin for rear stabilizer... (Gig) 3. 01:51 PM - Angle of Attack indicators (Wayne Glasser) 4. 02:57 PM - Re: Angle of Attack indicators (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 5. 03:57 PM - Re: Angle of Attack indicators (Bill Morelli) 6. 04:22 PM - Re: Angle of Attack indicators (Wayne Glasser) 7. 05:38 PM - Woe and Intrigue (angle of attack indicator) (Stephen Johnston) 8. 05:58 PM - Re: Woe and Intrigue (angle of attack indicator) (Wayne Glasser) 9. 05:59 PM - 640 (thomas hobbes) 10. 06:52 PM - Re: 640 (Clifton J. Bardwell) 11. 06:54 PM - Bending Brake vs. Press Brake (Clifton J. Bardwell) 12. 07:56 PM - Re: XL Top side of skin for rear stabilizer... (CLOJAN@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:09 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: Got a good source of 4130N? --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi List. If any of you scratch builders out there have found a good source of 4130N (preferably in Canada since shipping over the border is expensive) I would love to hear about it. I am looking to buy enough for 3 - 601 XLs for the small builders group I am a part of. Thanks for any information you can send my way. Have a great day! David ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab and Rudder waiting for skins http://tax.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:35 PM PST US From: Gig Subject: Zenith-List: XL Top side of skin for rear stabilizer... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig OK.. I'm a little confused. So I don't get more confused I'm quoting the assembly manual page T-47. Before I do though here is my question. If in 25 you put the boards in to strap down the skin how do you then mark the rivet lines as directed in 26. 25. Use straps to hold the Top side of the Skin on the Skeleton. HANDLING: To push the Skin down on the skeleton, take hold of an 8 foot 2x4 along the sides, hold it up against the Skin and gently lower the Skin down. Partially tighten the straps. Add another 1x2 just in front of the Front Spar for added support. 6 straps is more than adequate! LEVEL: Block the front of the End Ribs to eliminate twist. Use a level to check both ends. 26. Mark the rivet lines for the front and rear Spar. Use the rib positioning Template to layout the position of the Ribs. RIVETS +PITCH: a) A4 pitch 40 through the Front Spar. b) A4 pitch 60 through the Ribs. c) Drill #40 Pilot holes. 27. Clamp the 6 ft (1830mm) Piano Hinge between the Skin and the Rear Spar, centered on aircraft center line. RIVETS + PITCH: A4 through the Rear Spar and Piano Hinge. (Locate the end holes at 10mm from the end of the Hinge). DRILL: #30 RIVET: A4 END QUOTE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:38 PM PST US From: "Wayne Glasser" Subject: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Does anyone in the group have experience with Angle of Attack indicators they can share. Regards Wayne Glasser Sydney - Australia 601XL 5075 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:37 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Lots of debate in the achives I seem to remember. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Glasser [mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au] Subject: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" --> Does anyone in the group have experience with Angle of Attack indicators they can share. Regards Wayne Glasser Sydney - Australia 601XL 5075 advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:29 PM PST US From: Bill Morelli Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli Wayne, I have one on my HDS that works perfectly. I'll contact you directly and give you the details. Regards, Bill >Does anyone in the group have experience with Angle of Attack indicators >they can share. > >Regards > >Wayne Glasser >Sydney - Australia >601XL 5075 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:42 PM PST US From: "Wayne Glasser" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Bill Much appreciated. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morelli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Angle of Attack indicators > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli > > Wayne, > > I have one on my HDS that works perfectly. I'll contact you directly and > give you the details. > > Regards, > Bill > > >Does anyone in the group have experience with Angle of Attack indicators > >they can share. > > > >Regards > > > >Wayne Glasser > >Sydney - Australia > >601XL 5075 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:49 PM PST US From: "Stephen Johnston" Subject: Zenith-List: Woe and Intrigue (angle of attack indicator) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnston" Interested in angle of attack indicator? Check out this link. Steve Johnston http://www.supercub.org/woe/woe0402.php ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:31 PM PST US From: "Wayne Glasser" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Woe and Intrigue (angle of attack indicator) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" Steven I had come across this site before. Many thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Johnston" Subject: Zenith-List: Woe and Intrigue (angle of attack indicator) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnston" > > Interested in angle of attack indicator? Check out this link. > > Steve Johnston > > http://www.supercub.org/woe/woe0402.php > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:52 PM PST US From: thomas hobbes Subject: Zenith-List: 640 --> Zenith-List message posted by: thomas hobbes anyone in the southeast building a 640? what thoughts would people have comparing a 640 to an 801? first time builder... Tim http://tax.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:06 PM PST US From: "Clifton J. Bardwell" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 640 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clifton J. Bardwell" Building is such a subjective word. :) I bought the plans and have been reviewing them. I'm still in the process of making a shopping list for the rudder. I will probably be making some rib jigs this weekend. BTW, I live in North Carolina. Clif 640-0039 http://homebuilt.duck.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas hobbes Subject: Zenith-List: 640 --> Zenith-List message posted by: thomas hobbes --> anyone in the southeast building a 640? what thoughts would people have comparing a 640 to an 801? first time builder... Tim http://tax.yahoo.com direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:43 PM PST US From: "Clifton J. Bardwell" Subject: Zenith-List: Bending Brake vs. Press Brake --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clifton J. Bardwell" Just wondering... Is one better to use over the other? Or are they pretty much used for different types of bends completely? It seems to me that a press brake would produce a more accurate long bend. Clif 640-0039 http://homebuilt.duck.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:33 PM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Top side of skin for rear stabilizer... --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com In a message dated 4/11/2003 12:35:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, wr.giacona@cox-internet.com writes: > If in 25 you put the boards in to strap down the skin how do you then > mark the rivet lines as directed in 26. You will find a lot of confusing instructions as you move through the XL manuel. First mark a center line on all of the ribs and spars flanges. I laid out the rivet lines with the skin flat on the bench as shown in T-44, predrilled the entire side with #40, then you can look through the holes and line up with the center lines. Make sure to measure and re measure all the distances on your skeleton before you drill. It worked for me. Jack Russell Clovis-CA Xl #5000 installing main spar in fuselage