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1. 05:47 AM - CH-200 Nose wheel Assembly (Royer, Michel)
2. 07:58 AM - N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 (royt.or)
3. 08:20 AM - Re: Which Rivnuts Should I Use? (Pinneo, George)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate (Mark A. Wood)
5. 08:59 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
6. 09:09 AM - Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you (nhulin)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (Beckman, Rick)
8. 09:51 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 (Gary Gower)
9. 10:37 AM - First flight (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
10. 10:57 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 11:29 AM - Construction Update (Scott Laughlin)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 (Cy Galley)
13. 04:17 PM - Re: Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 (Philip Polstra)
15. 06:21 PM - Re: Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you (nhulin)
16. 06:38 PM - Solid Flush Rivets (Mark Townsend)
17. 07:11 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Carlos Sa)
18. 07:35 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (JNBOLDING1)
19. 07:42 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Don Honabach)
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| Subject: | CH-200 Nose wheel Assembly |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Royer, Michel" <RoyerM@tc.gc.ca>
Putting this request for a friend that has no e-mail
He had an incident and he is looking for the nose wheel
assembly for his CH-200
Michel Royer
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
Hi,
N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received it's airworthiness
certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to fly!
No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next couple of weeks.
Regards,
Roy
(Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax radiator in cowl,
All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior paint [yet], 660lbs
empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post more info and pictures
soon.)
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| Subject: | Which Rivnuts Should I Use? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <George.Pinneo@trw.com>
Locking nutplates, riveted in place, are more secure than rivnuts; they can be
replaced as necessary. There may well be some strong and secure rivnuts, but I
haven't tested any.
GGP
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| Subject: | Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate |
4/27/2003
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
Best of luck, hope everything goes well on first flight.
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years
>received it's airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the
>plane is ready to fly!
>
>
>No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next
>couple of weeks.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Roy
--
Mark Wood
Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
University of Vermont
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Good Job Roy,
I'm based in corvallis, I would love to check out your plane sometime.
Frank
601HDS Stratus (Very different heads) 281 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: royt.or [mailto:royt.or@netzero.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
Hi,
N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received it's
airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to fly!
No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next couple of
weeks.
Regards,
Roy
(Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax radiator in
cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior paint
[yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post more
info and pictures soon.)
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
To all those who posted advice on my wingtip problem: Thank you.
After a much-too-long break (Sun n Fun, a week at the beach - for the kids
of course, and camping and hiking in the Great Smokey Mountains) I finally
completed the installation of the fibreglass wingtip to my satisfaction this
weekend. The encouragement and good ideas from other builders on this list
is great to have when faced with seemingly insurmountable problems. It
certainly helps the project along and keeps the frustration level
manageable. Once again, thank you.
...neil
Cincinnati, Ohio
601XL - wings and stuff...
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@ATK.COM>
N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received it's
airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to fly!
Way to go Roy !! Congratulations !!
Rick XL
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Roy,
I will like to give you an advice, I dont know how much flying have you
done in this 7.5 years, but as most builders (including me of course)
we prefer to spend time building than flying to get the plane finished
soon...
PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if
possibe get some hours in another HDS...
If this does not aplies to you, go on and enjoy your plane as soon as
possible.
Saludos
Gary Gower
PS, Frank, we all greatly will apprecite any hints you can give him...
--- "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Good Job Roy,
>
> I'm based in corvallis, I would love to check out your plane
> sometime.
>
> Frank
> 601HDS Stratus (Very different heads) 281 hours
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: royt.or [mailto:royt.or@netzero.net]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate
> 4/27/2003
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years
> received it's
> airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready
> to fly!
>
>
> No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next
> couple of
> weeks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roy
>
>
> (Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax
> radiator in
> cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior
> paint
> [yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post
> more
> info and pictures soon.)
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Roy, (and others that will coming up to the "first flight")
First off, congratulations! It's quite a feeling to have made it this far.
I have some advice to share with you. It was very valuable to me, and I got
it from Jeff Small. In the days before your first flight, sit there in your
aircraft and "fly the flight in your mind" over and over again. Put your
hands on the controls, talk out loud to your self as you visualize and do
everything you will be doing from take-off to touchdown. Actually do every
function with the controls it will take to go through every step you intend
to accomplish on that flight. Do it again and again and again and again. On
the day of your first flight, you will be amazed how it will progress
smoothly from one thing to another because the flight is mentally embedded,
and will fall in place as sort of an automatic procedure. When I broke
ground in my HDS and discovered it was in trim and so easy to fly, the
apprehension just melted away and I had a really enjoyable first flight. My
ground crew couldn't believe I was so seemingly at ease as I joked with them
from up there. Jeff had kidded with me, asking if I was going to call him on
my cell phone during the flight. My wife couldn't believe it when I radio'd
down and asked her if I should call Jeff. In an obviously nervous voice,
she said, "NO, just fly the airplane!" Apparently she didn't see the humor
in my question........
Smooooooth flight to ya Roy.
Fred Hulen
3300 601HDS N601LX
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hmm.. There's a thought..
I'm just about to rebuild my carbs, should be flying again sometime this
week. If you can wait to say the back end of next week I would be happy to
give you some stick time from the right seat...It would be from the left
seat but I mangaed to crash a C152 that way so its not an experience I wish
to repeat....:)
I had not flown anything for 4 months and only then high wings with a
control wheel. I found it a pretty easy transition...keep some power on for
the landing and aim for an approach of about 80mph.
Let me know if I can help.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower [mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com]
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Roy,
I will like to give you an advice, I dont know how much flying have you done
in this 7.5 years, but as most builders (including me of course) we prefer
to spend time building than flying to get the plane finished soon...
PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if
possibe get some hours in another HDS...
If this does not aplies to you, go on and enjoy your plane as soon as
possible.
Saludos
Gary Gower
PS, Frank, we all greatly will apprecite any hints you can give him...
--- "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Good Job Roy,
>
> I'm based in corvallis, I would love to check out your plane sometime.
>
> Frank
> 601HDS Stratus (Very different heads) 281 hours
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: royt.or [mailto:royt.or@netzero.net]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate
> 4/27/2003
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years
> received it's airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the
> plane is ready to fly!
>
>
> No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next
> couple of weeks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roy
>
>
> (Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax
> radiator in cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no
> exterior paint
> [yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post
> more
> info and pictures soon.)
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> Share: Share photos & files with other List members.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Construction Update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
To the List:
I have made some progress on my tail section and if anyone is interested in
seeing it, I posted some photos of my latest efforts:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Stabilizer.html
I didn't get as far as I wanted but there's always the chance to stay up
late and forfeit some more sleep this week.
Take care,
Scott Laughlin
601XL
Omaha, NE
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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| Subject: | Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Get some transition training in some one else's Zenith so you know what to
expect and how to handle it.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received
it's airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to
fly!
>
>
> No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next couple
of weeks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roy
>
>
> (Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax radiator
in cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior paint
[yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post more
info and pictures soon.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Hi Neil,
Hey guy I'm new to the list and building a 701, finished the tail section and
now on the wings, I kind of like the idea of a fiberglass wing tip is yours
for a 601 or 701? Are they compatible for both aircraft? Did you make them
or were they bought? If so from whom? Thanks
Roger Roy
CH-701
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if
>possibe get some hours in another HDS...
Gary is very right about this. Get some time in another CH601. If you
can't find one nearby, you might look for a flight school with a CH2000.
The CH2000 does fly very simular, certainly more so than any Cessna or
Piper.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Wingtip Tips? -- thank you |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Roger,
The aircraft is a 601XL and the tips are the ones supplied by ZAC. The
problem was that they had been laying around in the box for about six months
and were no longer the correct shape. To exacerbate the problem I have
slight flat spots on one of the leading edge skins so the radius isn't what
is expected.
I had a good look at the tip installation on N9601Z at SnF and spoke to Nick
about it. With a close inspection of the demonstrator, and armed with
helpful hints from builders on this list, I was able to persevere with a
hair dryer to gently reshape the fibreglass tip, and apply not-so-gentle
persuasion to slightly reradius the LE skin until it was done - admittedly
it took me about five hours but I'm happy with the result.
Good luck on the 701. Clear skies and a tail wind, ...neil
On Mon Apr 28 - 4:17 PM, RoyN9869L@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> Hey guy I'm new to the list and building a 701, finished the tail section
and
> now on the wings, I kind of like the idea of a fiberglass wing tip is
yours
> for a 601 or 701? Are they compatible for both aircraft? Did you make
them
> or were they bought? If so from whom? Thanks
>
> Roger Roy
> CH-701
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| Subject: | Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined
Grey matter.
I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I cannot
convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after all,
it is his sanity !)
It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years ago
a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no
longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How
can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can you
close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and
let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him
to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity.
Mark Townsend
601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo
Alma, Ont.
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Mark
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
> further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years ago
> a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no
> longer remember his name.
I saved a web page from a builder named Jeff - he was using solid rivets.
His page is now offline.
> SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How
> can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can you
> close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!!
Sanity... Mark, you are writing to a list of people that are building airplanes
in
their garages and basements (and a few in livingrooms, apartments, ...).
And you talk about SaNiTy?!? :o)
> Speak Out and
> let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him
> to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity.
Here's to silence....! ;o)
Cheers - and good luck convincing your friend
Carlos
CH601 HD [ plans + pop rivets + sheet metal = aeroplane. Sanity optional]
most definitely, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JNBOLDING1" <JNBOLDING1@mail.ev1.net>
>Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined
>Grey matter.
>I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I cannot
>convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after all,
>it is his sanity !)
>It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
>further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years ago
>a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no
>longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How
>can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can you
>close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and
>let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him
>to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity.
>
>Mark Townsend
>601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo
>Alma, Ont.
>
The fellow will have several HUNDRED dollars in his pocket left over for gas in
his smooth skin Zodie. My 701 is being built with solid rivets as was my RV3.
Boeing likes driven rivets a lot. There are advantages to each for sure. To
each his own that's why it's called "Experimental" LOW&SLOW John
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| Subject: | Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
One thing to keep in mind is that he can probably dimple everything and
still have flush skins with the Avex/POP rivets using a flat head on the
rivet puller. I would assume the strength would be the same (if not
better), but it would be wise to check with ZAC first.
You may also point him back to the website where Chris talks about the
merits of Avex Rivets and after reading his design college 'white-paper'
again last night it reminded me how much I try to over engineer
everything and how wonderful, simple, and KIS the Avex rivet design from
Chris is. Also, he used the Avex rivets on the certificated CH2000
design.
Also, a lot of the parts designed on the 601HDS are probably impossible
to close using solid rivets since the design was done with Avex rivets
in mind.
Just my 2 cents...
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa [mailto:carlosfsa@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Mark
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
> further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few
> years ago a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding
> but I can no longer remember his name.
I saved a web page from a builder named Jeff - he was using solid
rivets. His page is now offline.
> SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How
> can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How
> can you close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!!
Sanity... Mark, you are writing to a list of people that are building
airplanes in their garages and basements (and a few in livingrooms,
apartments, ...). And you talk about SaNiTy?!? :o)
> Speak Out and
> let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead
> him to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent
> lucidity.
Here's to silence....! ;o)
Cheers - and good luck convincing your friend
Carlos
CH601 HD [ plans + pop rivets + sheet metal = aeroplane. Sanity
optional]
most definitely, do not archive
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