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1. 01:06 AM - wing splice plate hole tollerances (Mark Sandidge)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (caspainhower@aep.com)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Ed Kramer)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (dan john)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: First flight (Don Walker)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
7. 07:50 AM - Rudder Kit on Ebay (Scott Laughlin)
8. 08:04 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Don Honabach)
9. 10:07 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (wizard-24@juno.com)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 05:35 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Don Walker)
12. 05:54 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Philip Polstra)
13. 06:19 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Larry McFarland)
14. 06:24 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 (John Karnes)
15. 06:28 PM - Test (Wayne F.Wilson)
16. 06:54 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
17. 07:06 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (wizard-24@juno.com)
18. 07:11 PM - angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Doug Mendonca)
19. 08:18 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Mark Townsend)
20. 08:21 PM - Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Rick Herndon)
21. 08:41 PM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
22. 10:22 PM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Benford2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | wing splice plate hole tollerances |
04/29/2003 03:02:38 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Sandidge" <MSandidge@peabodyenergy.com>
I have drilled my wing splice plates for 601HDS and the bolts do not seem
to fit very tight. I used bit sizes and reamers recommended by Zac and a
home made drill guide. I used the reamer in a variable speed hand drill
turning very low rpm. I thought my techinque might be a bit sloppy so I
drilled/reamed some scrap pieces the same thickness using a drill press.
The bolts still slide easily into the hole. Want to make sure I get these
right. What have most of you experienced?
Thanks
Mark Sandidge
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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04/29/2003 06:22:07 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does
anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I
was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar
and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming
235.
Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if
>possibe get some hours in another HDS...
Gary is very right about this. Get some time in another CH601. If you
can't find one nearby, you might look for a flight school with a CH2000.
The CH2000 does fly very simular, certainly more so than any Cessna or
Piper.
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined
> Grey matter.
> I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I
cannot
> convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after
all,
> it is his sanity !)
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
> further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years
ago
> a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no
> longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) !
How
> can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can
you
> close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and
> let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him
> to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo
> Alma, Ont.
Mark,
One problem that is sure to arise is the fact that this design was not
intended for bucked rivets, so many of the rivets will not be accessible for
a bucking bar. If flush rivets are a must, use flush pulled rivets and save
the headaches.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701: rudder & left wing complete
edair701@adelphia.net
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
My younger brother has scratch built two CH701`s and
he used driven rivets on both.Their are several areas
that cannot be closed with AN rivets so pulled are
needed than.His attitude was that this is supposed to
be fun,so the extra time required did`nt really
matter.He found several rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and
saved several hundred dollars.I don`t think thats
crazy at all.AN`s are much stronger than pulled.John
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Good idea! They call it "chair flying" in the Air Force. My son did hours
of this with a full size instrument panel posted on the wall in front of
him. I got word that he is coming home now! He flew 150 hours in thirty days
over there. Then he got twelve hours to rest, he said. He flies a KC-135.
Don Walker, HDS do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
> Roy, (and others that will coming up to the "first flight")
>
> First off, congratulations! It's quite a feeling to have made it this far.
> I have some advice to share with you. It was very valuable to me, and I
got
> it from Jeff Small. In the days before your first flight, sit there in
your
> aircraft and "fly the flight in your mind" over and over again. Put your
> hands on the controls, talk out loud to your self as you visualize and do
> everything you will be doing from take-off to touchdown. Actually do
every
> function with the controls it will take to go through every step you
intend
> to accomplish on that flight. Do it again and again and again and again.
On
> the day of your first flight, you will be amazed how it will progress
> smoothly from one thing to another because the flight is mentally
embedded,
> and will fall in place as sort of an automatic procedure. When I broke
> ground in my HDS and discovered it was in trim and so easy to fly, the
> apprehension just melted away and I had a really enjoyable first flight.
My
> ground crew couldn't believe I was so seemingly at ease as I joked with
them
> from up there. Jeff had kidded with me, asking if I was going to call him
on
> my cell phone during the flight. My wife couldn't believe it when I
radio'd
> down and asked her if I should call Jeff. In an obviously nervous voice,
> she said, "NO, just fly the airplane!" Apparently she didn't see the humor
> in my question........
>
> Smooooooth flight to ya Roy.
>
> Fred Hulen
>
> 3300 601HDS N601LX
>
>
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| Subject: | N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Don't know for sure but looking at one and talking to a friend that owns the
Diamond I would say its very doubtful.
The Diamond is basically a motorglider with a long slender wing with I
believe impressive glide ratio.(if you like that sort of thing)...Zenairs
drop like a rock when you cut the power!
Having said that I went from a C152 to a 601HDS with no trouble and no
training.
Not saying you should do the same but I found the zodiac very easy to fly.
Frank
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2
004
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does
anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I
was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar
and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming
235.
Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if
>possibe get some hours in another HDS...
Gary is very right about this. Get some time in another CH601. If you
can't find one nearby, you might look for a flight school with a CH2000. The
CH2000 does fly very simular, certainly more so than any Cessna or Piper.
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| Subject: | Rudder Kit on Ebay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Hi guys:
If there's anyone out there looking to get a rudder kit cheap, I saw two at
Ebay in Arizona for $50 right now with two days to go. The 601 is at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412300902&category=26439
If the link doesn't work, it's Item # 2412300902.
The same guy has a 701 rudder kit for $150 right now. You might want to
cantact him to make sure it's what you are looking for:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412301309&category=26438
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, NE
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
>> He found several [solid] rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and saved several
hundred dollars [over Avex rivets].
On the flip side, if you don't have the rivet gun, various bucking bars,
various rivet heads, dimple dies, and so on, the extra cost of getting
the equipment will most likely outweigh any savings over the Avex rivet
cost. And since there are still some locations that require the Avex
rivets, you still have to spend money for the pop rivet equipment and
Avex rivets (although relatively small).
Not trying to say that solid rivets are 'bad' and shouldn't be used,
just don't think that for a builder with no existing tools saying it
will be cheaper is a bit misleading.
With that said, I went ahead and purchased all the fun tools so I can
learn the process and for a few areas I have used solid rivets. My goal
though, has always been to learn as much as possible and the designer's
goal was to make an airplane that if wanted could be built without
investing a lot of money for tools. However, I like tools as much as
airplanes (don't tell my wife - smile) so the extra expense didn't
bother me.
Regards,
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: dan john [mailto:ballmell@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john <ballmell@yahoo.com>
My younger brother has scratch built two CH701`s and
he used driven rivets on both.Their are several areas
that cannot be closed with AN rivets so pulled are
needed than.His attitude was that this is supposed to
be fun,so the extra time required did`nt really
matter.He found several rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and
saved several hundred dollars.I don`t think thats
crazy at all.AN`s are much stronger than pulled.John
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins,
> so further be it for me to try and persuade him.
If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why
in the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a
prime candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind
spending countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for
this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher
resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine,
the costs are about the same.
The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of
building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a
Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound
as designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance
by any measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all
that much better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes.
Bucking rivets without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor.
Mike
XL
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| Subject: | Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yup I agree 100%
The zodie HD/HDS is pretty slow, easy to build, easy to fly,stable, fun and
has a remarkable ability to stuff gear into together with a pretty good
short field performance. I don't know anyone who has made money selling a
zod that they built but I know several that have selling an RV, as long as
you count the labour as free.
Trying to make a zod faster (if that is the motive) is really trying to make
a race car out of a bus! Busses can be fun but they will never be race cars.
Frank
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From: wizard-24@juno.com [mailto:wizard-24@juno.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins,
> so further be it for me to try and persuade him.
If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why in
the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a prime
candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind spending
countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for this, but the
RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher resale value. And,
with the exception of having to use a larger engine, the costs are about the
same.
The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of
building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a
Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound as
designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance by any
measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all that much
better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes. Bucking rivets
without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a little.
Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a pig. lol
Now I will agree that the tricycle gear is not that aesthetically pleasing,
but my little tail dragger HDS gets as much if not more ooohhhs and ahhhs
than the RVs at most of the fly-ins. It darn sure carries more, and climbing
at 1700 fpm on a cool day compares pretty favorably with many of the RV's.
Of course it is slower, and I would trade easily for an RV 6 or 7, but
"PIG":
Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll send you
a pic. Don W
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From: <wizard-24@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins,
> > so further be it for me to try and persuade him.
>
> If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why
> in the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a
> prime candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind
> spending countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for
> this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher
> resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine,
> the costs are about the same.
>
> The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of
> building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a
> Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound
> as designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance
> by any measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all
> that much better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes.
> Bucking rivets without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor.
>
> Mike
> XL
>
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| Subject: | Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I'll probably get flamed for
> this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher
> resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine,
> the costs are about the same.
It depends on your criteria for performance. The Zodiac can actually carry
a load, the RV cannot. I have a 685 lb. useful load on my bird. The RV has
a higher resale because it is MUCH more expensive to build. Even if you
discount the labor difference, the kit cost more, it requires more tools,
and the engine required is going to cost allot more. If you just want the
top speed, the RV is the way to go, but it is not as efficient. I might go
20% slower, but I can actually take baggage on a trip, and burn less than
half the gas. The Zodiac is also bigger inside. It's all a matter of what
works best for the type of flying you like to do.
---
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Mark,
You might tell him to up the thickness on every sheet involved, because the
RVs and
others that do solid rivets will have more metal to pound on than what this
very light
aircraft has. I doubt that .016 and .020 will hold up to the hammering and
will
end up looking little more like a bunch of inneys and outtey belly buttons
without
extreme care. Much smaller rivets and perhaps another 2 years to do it.
That's why I didn't like the RVs. Too heavy for the serious scratch
builder.
Just my 2 cents.
Larry McFarland - 601hds
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined
> Grey matter.
> I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I
cannot
> convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after
all,
> it is his sanity !)
> It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so
> further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years
ago
> a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no
> longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) !
How
> can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can
you
> close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and
> let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him
> to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo
> Alma, Ont.
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| Subject: | Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Karnes" <jpkarnes@charter.net>
Hi Roy,
Congratulations! I fly out of Bremerton, WA. We should have a NW fly-in
sometime. I know Frank is in Corvallis. You guys are just a hop, skip and
a jump away!
John Karnes
601HDS with Stratus Subaru
Do not archive.
> Hi,
> N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received
it's airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to
fly!
> No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next couple
of weeks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roy
>
>
> (Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax radiator
in cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior paint
[yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post more
info and pictures soon.)
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| Subject: | Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 4/29/2003 6:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
caspainhower@aep.com writes:
> The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does
> anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I
> was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar
> and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming
> 235.
>
> Craig
>
Hi Craig,
I flew a Katana for about ten hours just before flying my 601HDS. It is
configured, feels , and flies just like the Zodiac.
I would definetely get some time in the Eclipse. It will definitely prepair
you for the first flights.
Good luck,
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| Subject: | Re: Solid Flush Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a
> little.
> Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a
> pig. lol
> Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll
> send you a pic. Don W
Alright, alright. Maybe the lipstick/pig analogy wasn't the most
appropriate. My apologies to Don (no pics necessary -- I trust you) and
all the others that have built truly remarkable pieces of work. What I
meant by that statement is that it makes no sense to put lipstick on a
pig, just as it makes no sense to use solid rivets on a Zodie. Maybe I
should have used "training wheels on a tank" instead? :)
Mike
XL pig, w/o lipstick
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| Subject: | angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" <doug@photorola.com>
Hi builders - slogged through the archives, but didn't find an answer
for this - I'm building a 701 from plans:
Does anyone have a name/number for a company that supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x
.093 angle aluminum?
I've called several places with no luck - part of the problem may be
that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I should have said "3/32"
- three thirty-seconds is probably a more common reference when speaking
to a phone-order-taker.
I initially contacted ZAC who said that I could substitute the 1/8"
thick stuff, but I want to stick to the plans, keep it light, and don't
want the fillet and rounded corners that you get with 1/8" (at least
from aircraft-spruce). In context, I was asking about the rudder, so ZAC
may have assumed I was *only* talking about the rudder. Has anyone used
3/4 x 3/4 x 1/8 angle for their entire plane? Anyone calculated the
weight difference?
ZAC wants $3.80/ft. for the .093 - an amazingly high price for this
material, considering one can get 1/8" thick almost anywhere for less
than half that price.
Thanks a-plenty,
-doug
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| Subject: | Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Doug
I have a sneaky suspicion that ZAC has a special order for the .093
extruded. I went with the .125 for all Longerons in my 601XL even the .40
are now .125 extruded. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing that, but I'm
hanging a heavy engine and want the weight to be carried through the whole
plane.
Mark Townsend
601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Mendonca <doug@photorola.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" <doug@photorola.com>
>
>
>Hi builders - slogged through the archives, but didn't find an answer
>for this - I'm building a 701 from plans:
>
>Does anyone have a name/number for a company that supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x
>.093 angle aluminum?
>
>I've called several places with no luck - part of the problem may be
>that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I should have said "3/32"
>- three thirty-seconds is probably a more common reference when speaking
>to a phone-order-taker.
>
>I initially contacted ZAC who said that I could substitute the 1/8"
>thick stuff, but I want to stick to the plans, keep it light, and don't
>want the fillet and rounded corners that you get with 1/8" (at least
>from aircraft-spruce). In context, I was asking about the rudder, so ZAC
>may have assumed I was *only* talking about the rudder. Has anyone used
>3/4 x 3/4 x 1/8 angle for their entire plane? Anyone calculated the
>weight difference?
>
>ZAC wants $3.80/ft. for the .093 - an amazingly high price for this
>material, considering one can get 1/8" thick almost anywhere for less
>than half that price.
>
>Thanks a-plenty,
>
>-doug
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon <rickherndon@erols.com>
Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30
this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight
was both exhilarating and uneventful. I don't have much performance
data to report but was extremely pleased with stability and handling
characteristics. Controllability was excellent for the shallow 20 degree
banking turns and gentle climbs and descents. She flew straight and
level with no heavy wing tendency. Air temperature for the flight was
about 65 degrees. Oil temp stayed around 190-200 and water temp around
220. When I checked max static rpm a few days ago the oil temp
approached 280 - close to red line! Air temp was in the upper 70s. Oil
cooler is mounted below Rotax gearbox and water radiator is mounted
under fuselage per Zac design.
Prior to landing, I did a couple of slow flights to around 65 mph.
Didn't experience any buffeting or excessive mushiness. Flew approach
to landing around 80 -85 mph. Landing declared successful when aircraft
rolled away from impact area under its own power!
Aircraft info: CH 601 HDS, forward tilt canopy, Rotax 912 ULS, Warp
Drive 3 blade 70" dia prop, 12 degree pitch measured at tip, Max static
RPM - 5,300. Empty weight, 605 lbs. Flight weight 818 lbs. CG 12.6".
Header tank (16 gal) and Baggage locker wing tanks (7.5 gal ea.)
Will post more info as I collect data!
Rick Herndon
CH 601 HDS
N601DH
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Way to go Rick.... Wonderful to experience that first flight isn't it.
Congratulations !!!!
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:22:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
rickherndon@erols.com writes:
>
> Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30
> this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight
> was both exhilarating and uneventful. I don't have much performance
> data to report but was extremely pleased with stability and handling
> characteristics. Controllability was excellent for the shallow 20 degree
> banking turns and gentle climbs and descents. She flew straight and
> level with no heavy wing tendency. Air temperature for the flight was
> about 65 degrees. Oil temp stayed around 190-200 and water temp around
> 220. When I checked max static rpm a few days ago the oil temp
> approached 280 - close to red line! Air temp was in the upper 70s. Oil
> cooler is mounted below Rotax gearbox and water radiator is mounted
> under fuselage per Zac design.
>
> Prior to landing, I did a couple of slow flights to around 65 mph.
> Didn't experience any buffeting or excessive mushiness. Flew approach
> to landing around 80 -85 mph. Landing declared successful when aircraft
> rolled away from impact area under its own power!
>
> Aircraft info: CH 601 HDS, forward tilt canopy, Rotax 912 ULS, Warp
> Drive 3 blade 70" dia prop, 12 degree pitch measured at tip, Max static
> RPM - 5,300. Empty weight, 605 lbs. Flight weight 818 lbs. CG 12.6".
> Header tank (16 gal) and Baggage locker wing tanks (7.5 gal ea.)
>
> Will post more info as I collect data!
>
> Rick Herndon
> CH 601 HDS
>
Congrats. !!!!!!! Ben Haas. N801BH. do not archive.
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