---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/29/03: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:06 AM - wing splice plate hole tollerances (Mark Sandidge) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (caspainhower@aep.com) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Ed Kramer) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (dan john) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: First flight (Don Walker) 6. 07:36 AM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 7. 07:50 AM - Rudder Kit on Ebay (Scott Laughlin) 8. 08:04 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Don Honabach) 9. 10:07 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (wizard-24@juno.com) 10. 10:56 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 11. 05:35 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Don Walker) 12. 05:54 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Philip Polstra) 13. 06:19 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Larry McFarland) 14. 06:24 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 (John Karnes) 15. 06:28 PM - Test (Wayne F.Wilson) 16. 06:54 PM - Re: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 17. 07:06 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (wizard-24@juno.com) 18. 07:11 PM - angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Doug Mendonca) 19. 08:18 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Mark Townsend) 20. 08:21 PM - Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Rick Herndon) 21. 08:41 PM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Fred or Sandy Hulen) 22. 10:22 PM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Benford2@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: wing splice plate hole tollerances From: "Mark Sandidge" 04/29/2003 03:02:38 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Sandidge" I have drilled my wing splice plates for 601HDS and the bolts do not seem to fit very tight. I used bit sizes and reamers recommended by Zac and a home made drill guide. I used the reamer in a variable speed hand drill turning very low rpm. I thought my techinque might be a bit sloppy so I drilled/reamed some scrap pieces the same thickness using a drill press. The bolts still slide easily into the hole. Want to make sure I get these right. What have most of you experienced? Thanks Mark Sandidge E-mail Disclaimer ----- The information contained in this e-mail, and in any accompanying documents, may constitute confidential and/or legally privileged information. The information is intended only for use by the designated recipient. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for the delivery of the message to the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance on this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 From: caspainhower@aep.com 04/29/2003 06:22:07 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming 235. Craig "Philip Polstra" To: Sent by: cc: owner-zenith-list-server@ma Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 tronics.com 04/28/03 09:16 PM Please respond to zenith-list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower >PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if >possibe get some hours in another HDS... Gary is very right about this. Get some time in another CH601. If you can't find one nearby, you might look for a flight school with a CH2000. The CH2000 does fly very simular, certainly more so than any Cessna or Piper. --- This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:34 AM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined > Grey matter. > I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I cannot > convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after all, > it is his sanity !) > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so > further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years ago > a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no > longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How > can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can you > close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and > let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him > to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity. > > Mark Townsend > 601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo > Alma, Ont. Mark, One problem that is sure to arise is the fact that this design was not intended for bucked rivets, so many of the rivets will not be accessible for a bucking bar. If flush rivets are a must, use flush pulled rivets and save the headaches. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701: rudder & left wing complete edair701@adelphia.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:00 AM PST US From: dan john Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john My younger brother has scratch built two CH701`s and he used driven rivets on both.Their are several areas that cannot be closed with AN rivets so pulled are needed than.His attitude was that this is supposed to be fun,so the extra time required did`nt really matter.He found several rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and saved several hundred dollars.I don`t think thats crazy at all.AN`s are much stronger than pulled.John ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:36 AM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" Good idea! They call it "chair flying" in the Air Force. My son did hours of this with a full size instrument panel posted on the wall in front of him. I got word that he is coming home now! He flew 150 hours in thirty days over there. Then he got twelve hours to rest, he said. He flies a KC-135. Don Walker, HDS do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Subject: Zenith-List: First flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" > > Roy, (and others that will coming up to the "first flight") > > First off, congratulations! It's quite a feeling to have made it this far. > I have some advice to share with you. It was very valuable to me, and I got > it from Jeff Small. In the days before your first flight, sit there in your > aircraft and "fly the flight in your mind" over and over again. Put your > hands on the controls, talk out loud to your self as you visualize and do > everything you will be doing from take-off to touchdown. Actually do every > function with the controls it will take to go through every step you intend > to accomplish on that flight. Do it again and again and again and again. On > the day of your first flight, you will be amazed how it will progress > smoothly from one thing to another because the flight is mentally embedded, > and will fall in place as sort of an automatic procedure. When I broke > ground in my HDS and discovered it was in trim and so easy to fly, the > apprehension just melted away and I had a really enjoyable first flight. My > ground crew couldn't believe I was so seemingly at ease as I joked with them > from up there. Jeff had kidded with me, asking if I was going to call him on > my cell phone during the flight. My wife couldn't believe it when I radio'd > down and asked her if I should call Jeff. In an obviously nervous voice, > she said, "NO, just fly the airplane!" Apparently she didn't see the humor > in my question........ > > Smooooooth flight to ya Roy. > > Fred Hulen > > 3300 601HDS N601LX > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:47 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Don't know for sure but looking at one and talking to a friend that owns the Diamond I would say its very doubtful. The Diamond is basically a motorglider with a long slender wing with I believe impressive glide ratio.(if you like that sort of thing)...Zenairs drop like a rock when you cut the power! Having said that I went from a C152 to a 601HDS with no trouble and no training. Not saying you should do the same but I found the zodiac very easy to fly. Frank -----Original Message----- From: caspainhower@aep.com [mailto:caspainhower@aep.com] Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming 235. Craig "Philip Polstra" To: Sent by: cc: owner-zenith-list-server@ma Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 tronics.com 04/28/03 09:16 PM Please respond to zenith-list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower >PLEASE "build" some flying hours before atempting to fly your plane, if >possibe get some hours in another HDS... Gary is very right about this. Get some time in another CH601. If you can't find one nearby, you might look for a flight school with a CH2000. The CH2000 does fly very simular, certainly more so than any Cessna or Piper. --- This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:17 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Kit on Ebay --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Hi guys: If there's anyone out there looking to get a rudder kit cheap, I saw two at Ebay in Arizona for $50 right now with two days to go. The 601 is at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412300902&category=26439 If the link doesn't work, it's Item # 2412300902. The same guy has a 701 rudder kit for $150 right now. You might want to cantact him to make sure it's what you are looking for: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412301309&category=26438 Good luck, Scott Laughlin Omaha, NE www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" >> He found several [solid] rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and saved several hundred dollars [over Avex rivets]. On the flip side, if you don't have the rivet gun, various bucking bars, various rivet heads, dimple dies, and so on, the extra cost of getting the equipment will most likely outweigh any savings over the Avex rivet cost. And since there are still some locations that require the Avex rivets, you still have to spend money for the pop rivet equipment and Avex rivets (although relatively small). Not trying to say that solid rivets are 'bad' and shouldn't be used, just don't think that for a builder with no existing tools saying it will be cheaper is a bit misleading. With that said, I went ahead and purchased all the fun tools so I can learn the process and for a few areas I have used solid rivets. My goal though, has always been to learn as much as possible and the designer's goal was to make an airplane that if wanted could be built without investing a lot of money for tools. However, I like tools as much as airplanes (don't tell my wife - smile) so the extra expense didn't bother me. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: dan john [mailto:ballmell@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john My younger brother has scratch built two CH701`s and he used driven rivets on both.Their are several areas that cannot be closed with AN rivets so pulled are needed than.His attitude was that this is supposed to be fun,so the extra time required did`nt really matter.He found several rivet suppliers at Oshkosh and saved several hundred dollars.I don`t think thats crazy at all.AN`s are much stronger than pulled.John direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, > so further be it for me to try and persuade him. If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why in the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a prime candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind spending countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine, the costs are about the same. The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound as designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance by any measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all that much better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes. Bucking rivets without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor. Mike XL The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:28 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Yup I agree 100% The zodie HD/HDS is pretty slow, easy to build, easy to fly,stable, fun and has a remarkable ability to stuff gear into together with a pretty good short field performance. I don't know anyone who has made money selling a zod that they built but I know several that have selling an RV, as long as you count the labour as free. Trying to make a zod faster (if that is the motive) is really trying to make a race car out of a bus! Busses can be fun but they will never be race cars. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: wizard-24@juno.com [mailto:wizard-24@juno.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, > so further be it for me to try and persuade him. If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why in the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a prime candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind spending countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine, the costs are about the same. The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound as designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance by any measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all that much better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes. Bucking rivets without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor. Mike XL The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:25 PM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a little. Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a pig. lol Now I will agree that the tricycle gear is not that aesthetically pleasing, but my little tail dragger HDS gets as much if not more ooohhhs and ahhhs than the RVs at most of the fly-ins. It darn sure carries more, and climbing at 1700 fpm on a cool day compares pretty favorably with many of the RV's. Of course it is slower, and I would trade easily for an RV 6 or 7, but "PIG": Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll send you a pic. Don W ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets > --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > > > > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, > > so further be it for me to try and persuade him. > > If someone insisted on solid rivets, and that was important to them, why > in the world would that person choose a Zodiac to build? Your friend is a > prime candidate for an RV, which is a far better plane if you don't mind > spending countless hours bucking rivets. I'll probably get flamed for > this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher > resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine, > the costs are about the same. > > The deciding factor to build a Zodiac ought to be simplicity, ease of > building, and quicker build times. In my opinion, using solid rivets in a > Zodiac is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Zodie is structurally sound > as designed, and the solid rivets are not likely to increase performance > by any measurable amount. And in fact, I'm thinking it may not look all > that much better either, given the thin AL skins used on our planes. > Bucking rivets without denting will be a mighty tricky endeavor. > > Mike > XL > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:55 PM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > I'll probably get flamed for > this, but the RV performs better, looks better, and has a MUCH higher > resale value. And, with the exception of having to use a larger engine, > the costs are about the same. It depends on your criteria for performance. The Zodiac can actually carry a load, the RV cannot. I have a 685 lb. useful load on my bird. The RV has a higher resale because it is MUCH more expensive to build. Even if you discount the labor difference, the kit cost more, it requires more tools, and the engine required is going to cost allot more. If you just want the top speed, the RV is the way to go, but it is not as efficient. I might go 20% slower, but I can actually take baggage on a trip, and burn less than half the gas. The Zodiac is also bigger inside. It's all a matter of what works best for the type of flying you like to do. --- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:07 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Hi Mark, You might tell him to up the thickness on every sheet involved, because the RVs and others that do solid rivets will have more metal to pound on than what this very light aircraft has. I doubt that .016 and .020 will hold up to the hammering and will end up looking little more like a bunch of inneys and outtey belly buttons without extreme care. Much smaller rivets and perhaps another 2 years to do it. That's why I didn't like the RVs. Too heavy for the serious scratch builder. Just my 2 cents. Larry McFarland - 601hds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Listers, I'm asking this question to see the response from your combined > Grey matter. > I have a good Friend starting to build a 601XL, and try as I might I cannot > convince him to go pulled rivet ! ( I really didn't try to hard, after all, > it is his sanity !) > It is his dearest wish to build his Zodie Rocket with smooth skins, so > further be it for me to try and persuade him. I can remember a few years ago > a builder had in fact completed a 601 with flush pounding but I can no > longer remember his name. SO I leave it up to you all to help me (him) ! How > can a person pound a whole 601XL and yet still have inspections? How can you > close a rudder? Is there ANY chance of preserving SANITY!!!! Speak Out and > let yourself be heard. One of our flock has lost his way, we must lead him > to a pasture of his dreams or corral him amongst us in silent lucidity. > > Mark Townsend > 601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo > Alma, Ont. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:04 PM PST US From: "John Karnes" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2003 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Karnes" Hi Roy, Congratulations! I fly out of Bremerton, WA. We should have a NW fly-in sometime. I know Frank is in Corvallis. You guys are just a hop, skip and a jump away! John Karnes 601HDS with Stratus Subaru Do not archive. > Hi, > N601RT, the CH601HDS I've been building for the past 7.5 years received it's airworthiness certificate on Sunday, 4/27/03. So, the plane is ready to fly! > No, I don't know when I will fly it. Probably soon, as in the next couple of weeks. > > > Regards, > > > Roy > > > (Plans/serial # 63314, CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, Rotax radiator in cowl, All electric IFR, leather seats by Oregon Aero, no exterior paint [yet], 660lbs empty weight. Based at HIO, Hillsboro Oregon. I'll post more info and pictures soon.) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:57 PM PST US From: "Wayne F.Wilson" Subject: Zenith-List: Test --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" Test posting Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:15 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601RT received Airworthiness Certificate 4/27/2 004 --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 4/29/2003 6:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, caspainhower@aep.com writes: > The flight school where I hanger my Cessna rents a Diamond Eclipse. Does > anyone know if they have similar flight characteristics to the 601 XL. I > was considering getting some air time if it does. The envelope is similar > and I think it uses the Continental 240 engine, I'm going with a Lycoming > 235. > > Craig > Hi Craig, I flew a Katana for about ten hours just before flying my 601HDS. It is configured, feels , and flies just like the Zodiac. I would definetely get some time in the Eclipse. It will definitely prepair you for the first flights. Good luck, =20=A0 | =A0 =A0=20___|___ John W. Tarabocchia /=A0=20=A0=A0 \ (407) 709-7255 =A0 (_______ ) =A0 ___________________________ |=A0 o=A0 |___________________________ =A0 *\____________________|______ \ ______ /______|____________________/* =A0 ][=A0=20=A0 ][=A0=A0 ][ =A0 =A0 {_}=A0=20=A0 {_}=A0=A0 {_} http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder =20 N6042T 90hrs Flown..... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a > little. > Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a > pig. lol > Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll > send you a pic. Don W Alright, alright. Maybe the lipstick/pig analogy wasn't the most appropriate. My apologies to Don (no pics necessary -- I trust you) and all the others that have built truly remarkable pieces of work. What I meant by that statement is that it makes no sense to put lipstick on a pig, just as it makes no sense to use solid rivets on a Zodie. Maybe I should have used "training wheels on a tank" instead? :) Mike XL pig, w/o lipstick do not archive The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans From: "Doug Mendonca" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" Hi builders - slogged through the archives, but didn't find an answer for this - I'm building a 701 from plans: Does anyone have a name/number for a company that supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x .093 angle aluminum? I've called several places with no luck - part of the problem may be that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I should have said "3/32" - three thirty-seconds is probably a more common reference when speaking to a phone-order-taker. I initially contacted ZAC who said that I could substitute the 1/8" thick stuff, but I want to stick to the plans, keep it light, and don't want the fillet and rounded corners that you get with 1/8" (at least from aircraft-spruce). In context, I was asking about the rudder, so ZAC may have assumed I was *only* talking about the rudder. Has anyone used 3/4 x 3/4 x 1/8 angle for their entire plane? Anyone calculated the weight difference? ZAC wants $3.80/ft. for the .093 - an amazingly high price for this material, considering one can get 1/8" thick almost anywhere for less than half that price. Thanks a-plenty, -doug ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:43 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Hi Doug I have a sneaky suspicion that ZAC has a special order for the .093 extruded. I went with the .125 for all Longerons in my 601XL even the .40 are now .125 extruded. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing that, but I'm hanging a heavy engine and want the weight to be carried through the whole plane. Mark Townsend 601XL EA82 MPFI Turbo -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mendonca Subject: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" > > >Hi builders - slogged through the archives, but didn't find an answer >for this - I'm building a 701 from plans: > >Does anyone have a name/number for a company that supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x >.093 angle aluminum? > >I've called several places with no luck - part of the problem may be >that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I should have said "3/32" >- three thirty-seconds is probably a more common reference when speaking >to a phone-order-taker. > >I initially contacted ZAC who said that I could substitute the 1/8" >thick stuff, but I want to stick to the plans, keep it light, and don't >want the fillet and rounded corners that you get with 1/8" (at least >from aircraft-spruce). In context, I was asking about the rudder, so ZAC >may have assumed I was *only* talking about the rudder. Has anyone used >3/4 x 3/4 x 1/8 angle for their entire plane? Anyone calculated the >weight difference? > >ZAC wants $3.80/ft. for the .093 - an amazingly high price for this >material, considering one can get 1/8" thick almost anywhere for less >than half that price. > >Thanks a-plenty, > >-doug > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:40 PM PST US From: Rick Herndon Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight was both exhilarating and uneventful. I don't have much performance data to report but was extremely pleased with stability and handling characteristics. Controllability was excellent for the shallow 20 degree banking turns and gentle climbs and descents. She flew straight and level with no heavy wing tendency. Air temperature for the flight was about 65 degrees. Oil temp stayed around 190-200 and water temp around 220. When I checked max static rpm a few days ago the oil temp approached 280 - close to red line! Air temp was in the upper 70s. Oil cooler is mounted below Rotax gearbox and water radiator is mounted under fuselage per Zac design. Prior to landing, I did a couple of slow flights to around 65 mph. Didn't experience any buffeting or excessive mushiness. Flew approach to landing around 80 -85 mph. Landing declared successful when aircraft rolled away from impact area under its own power! Aircraft info: CH 601 HDS, forward tilt canopy, Rotax 912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade 70" dia prop, 12 degree pitch measured at tip, Max static RPM - 5,300. Empty weight, 605 lbs. Flight weight 818 lbs. CG 12.6". Header tank (16 gal) and Baggage locker wing tanks (7.5 gal ea.) Will post more info as I collect data! Rick Herndon CH 601 HDS N601DH ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:16 PM PST US From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Way to go Rick.... Wonderful to experience that first flight isn't it. Congratulations !!!! Fred Hulen do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:21 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:22:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rickherndon@erols.com writes: > > Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 > this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight > was both exhilarating and uneventful. I don't have much performance > data to report but was extremely pleased with stability and handling > characteristics. Controllability was excellent for the shallow 20 degree > banking turns and gentle climbs and descents. She flew straight and > level with no heavy wing tendency. Air temperature for the flight was > about 65 degrees. Oil temp stayed around 190-200 and water temp around > 220. When I checked max static rpm a few days ago the oil temp > approached 280 - close to red line! Air temp was in the upper 70s. Oil > cooler is mounted below Rotax gearbox and water radiator is mounted > under fuselage per Zac design. > > Prior to landing, I did a couple of slow flights to around 65 mph. > Didn't experience any buffeting or excessive mushiness. Flew approach > to landing around 80 -85 mph. Landing declared successful when aircraft > rolled away from impact area under its own power! > > Aircraft info: CH 601 HDS, forward tilt canopy, Rotax 912 ULS, Warp > Drive 3 blade 70" dia prop, 12 degree pitch measured at tip, Max static > RPM - 5,300. Empty weight, 605 lbs. Flight weight 818 lbs. CG 12.6". > Header tank (16 gal) and Baggage locker wing tanks (7.5 gal ea.) > > Will post more info as I collect data! > > Rick Herndon > CH 601 HDS > Congrats. !!!!!!! Ben Haas. N801BH. do not archive.