---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/30/03: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:04 AM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Philip Polstra) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Grant Corriveau) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets () 4. 06:14 AM - Re: First flight (Grant Corriveau) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Grant Corriveau) 6. 08:16 AM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Pinneo, George) 7. 09:04 AM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Garrou, Douglas) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (JNBOLDING1) 9. 10:43 AM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (nhulin) 10. 11:42 AM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (g t) 11. 12:05 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (David Barth) 12. 01:57 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Monty Graves) 13. 02:02 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Monty Graves) 14. 02:06 PM - Re: 601 HDS First Flight (Jeff Small) 15. 02:17 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Jeff Small) 16. 02:42 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Mark Townsend) 17. 02:45 PM - Re: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight (Larry McFarland) 18. 03:08 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Monty Graves) 19. 04:13 PM - xl flap motor (skydvr) 20. 04:42 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Doug Mendonca) 21. 04:42 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Robert Hillebrand) 22. 04:52 PM - Re: Solid Flush Rivets (Dave Alberti) 23. 05:26 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Monty Graves) 24. 05:28 PM - Re: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans (Monty Graves) 25. 07:20 PM - 701 wing tank series wiring (LARRY BOHANNON) 26. 10:57 PM - 1/4" poly tubing for brakes (Jim Frisby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:51 AM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon > Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 > this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight > was both exhilarating and uneventful. Congratulations!!!! It is a great feeling isn't it. I just realized that Friday marks the anniversary of my HDS receiving it's airworthiness certificate. Now if I only had time to put more than the 75 hours I put on it this year. do not archive --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > From: "JNBOLDING1" > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:39:13 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets > > The fellow will have several HUNDRED dollars in his pocket left over for gas > in his smooth skin Zodie. How do you figure this? Surely not due to drag reduction? The difference will be barely measurable. fwiw, imho Grant C. 601HDS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: This thread is the best entertainment Ive had all week! Floozie pigs, belly buttons,.... Thanks. do not archive Larry Portouw Larry@portouw.com -------------------------------- Time: 07:06:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Solid Flush Rivets From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a > little. > Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a > pig. lol > Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll > send you a pic. Don W Alright, alright. Maybe the lipstick/pig analogy wasn't the most appropriate. My apologies to Don (no pics necessary -- I trust you) and all the others that have built truly remarkable pieces of work. What I meant by that statement is that it makes no sense to put lipstick on a pig, just as it makes no sense to use solid rivets on a Zodie. Maybe I should have used "training wheels on a tank" instead? :) Mike XL pig, w/o lipstick do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > From: "Don Walker" > Good idea! They call it "chair flying" in the Air Force. My son did hours > of this with a full size instrument panel posted on the wall in front of > him. Good for him! Glad he's safe. just in case anyone's interested.... This kind of 'chair flying' is actually becoming a main-stay of training for the new-generation electronic aircraft. There is an entire level of training on the glass/magic before we even go to the Full Flight Simulator. We use a 'procedures trainer' or 'glass trainer' to learn what happens with the 'tooobs' when we push the buttons... This level of training used to be done on the 'paper tiger' (i.e. a full-sized picture of the panels) but with the electronic boxes, these have had to be 'upgraded'. (but the paper bombers are still there for that very first level of panel familiarity/training on a new aircraft). Grant C. my 'other airplane' is an airbus do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Congrats! Take a bow... ;-) you deserve it. well done. Grant C. do not archive > From: Rick Herndon > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:17:01 -0400 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight > > > Will post more info as I collect data! > > Rick Herndon > CH 601 HDS > N601DH ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight From: "Pinneo, George" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" Congratulations! Do not archive GGP ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US From: "Garrou, Douglas" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" Congrats Rick! We're building an 801 next door to Hanover (OFP) north of Richmond, so let me know if you come down this way as we would love to ogle your new bird. do not archive Doug G. Time: 08:21:40 PM PST US From: Rick Herndon Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:29 AM PST US From: "JNBOLDING1" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "JNBOLDING1" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Corriveau >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets >> >> The fellow will have several HUNDRED dollars in his pocket left over for gas >> in his smooth skin Zodie. > >How do you figure this? Surely not due to drag reduction? The difference >will be barely measurable. > >fwiw, imho > >Grant C. >601HDS > >NEWish !! i assumed from the post that we were talking scratch building where you weren't tied to what came in the kit. If so then purchase price of the rivets to build an airplane will amount to "SEVERAL HUNDRED" dollas when comparing Avex to solid. It could be argued that you have to have a compressor and rivet gun and bucking bars but you only need 1/4 hp worth of compressor and used gun set up could be bought and resold when finished. This is kinda like argueing about Fords and Chevys. Both rivet systems work. LOW&SLOW John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:35 AM PST US From: "nhulin" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" On Tue Apr 29 - 7:06 PM wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > Maybe I should have used "training wheels on a tank" instead? :) Mike, So what is your problem with tanks? Anyway, didn't Chris say something about "form following functionality"? At least the Zodiac looks better than a Sonex.... ouch! ;) ...neil 601XL - wings and stuff (still...) do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:14 AM PST US From: g t Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t Congratulations Rick, I look forward to the day of excitement you just experienced. You have every right to be excited, and proud of your accomplishment. TomStill dreaming of building more the the rudder of the 701. Rick Herndon wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). The flight was both exhilarating and uneventful. I don't have much performance data to report but was extremely pleased with stability and handling characteristics. Controllability was excellent for the shallow 20 degree banking turns and gentle climbs and descents. She flew straight and level with no heavy wing tendency. Air temperature for the flight was about 65 degrees. Oil temp stayed around 190-200 and water temp around 220. When I checked max static rpm a few days ago the oil temp approached 280 - close to red line! Air temp was in the upper 70s. Oil cooler is mounted below Rotax gearbox and water radiator is mounted under fuselage per Zac design. Prior to landing, I did a couple of slow flights to around 65 mph. Didn't experience any buffeting or excessive mushiness. Flew approach to landing around 80 -85 mph. Landing declared successful when aircraft rolled away from impact area under its own power! Aircraft info: CH 601 HDS, forward tilt canopy, Rotax 912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade 70" dia prop, 12 degree pitch measured at tip, Max static RPM - 5,300. Empty weight, 605 lbs. Flight weight 818 lbs. CG 12.6". Header tank (16 gal) and Baggage locker wing tanks (7.5 gal ea.) Will post more info as I collect data! Rick Herndon CH 601 HDS N601DH --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:03 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi Doug. For my money Mark T. is right. I did a really extensive search and found one company that would supply it on a custom order. Minimum order is 500 lengths or 12 feet each. Little too much for my meager needs but I believe that is where ZAC gets it from. FWIW I am going with the 1/8" David do not archive > Does anyone have a name/number for a company that > supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x > .093 angle aluminum? > > I've called several places with no luck - part of > the problem may be > that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I > should have said "3/32" > - three thirty-seconds is probably a more common > reference when speaking > to a phone-order-taker. ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab and Rudder waiting for skins __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:53 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves First Zenith charges the kit buyers almost exactly what the scratch builders pay for materials they purchase from Zenith. It is just how Zenith prices their kits. They price each and every piece in each sub kit then add up the the prices of all the pieces in that kit assembly. The scratch builder can purchase any piece of the 601 or 701 for the same cost as the kit buyer. Or one can make any or all of it themselves, saving Zeniths overhead, labor costs, and fair profit. In this case if purchased from Zenith rivets cost both the kit and scratch builder 8.5 cents per blind rivet. The same English made avex rivet can be purchased in Canada and shipped to the US via UPS for about 3 cents per rivet depending on the exchange rate at the time. Little over $500 savings for the rivets. If you order the apox 8000 rivets needed. The phone number is in the archives. > >i assumed from the post that we were talking scratch building where you weren't tied to what came in the kit. If so then purchase price of the rivets to build an airplane will amount to "SEVERAL HUNDRED" dollas when comparing Avex to solid. It could be argued that you have to have a compressor and rivet gun and bucking bars but you only need 1/4 hp worth of compressor and used gun set up could be bought and resold when finished. > >This is kinda like argueing about Fords and Chevys. Both rivet systems work. LOW&SLOW John > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:54 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might have the .093 extrusions. I went with the .125 also. Nick approved the substitution in all places on the 701. I calculated increased weight of around 2 lbs or less. There is very little .093 in the plane. spar caps and some brackets >--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > >Hi Doug. >For my money Mark T. is right. I did a really >extensive search and found one company that would >supply it on a custom order. Minimum order is 500 >lengths or 12 feet each. Little too much for my >meager needs but I believe that is where ZAC gets it >from. >FWIW I am going with the 1/8" >David >do not archive >> Does anyone have a name/number for a company that >> supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x >> .093 angle aluminum? >> >> I've called several places with no luck - part of >> the problem may be >> that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I >> should have said "3/32" >> - three thirty-seconds is probably a more common >> reference when speaking >> to a phone-order-taker. > > >===== >David Barth >601 XL Plansbuilder >Currently making parts. >Stab and Rudder waiting for skins > >__________________________________ >http://search.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:18 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 >this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). Kudos Rick, kudos. May the Phase One testing come off without a hitch. Do your Operating Limitations allow for distances that would take in OKV? Would be nice to see it there on the 17th or 18th. Roger Kilby will probably have his in attendance - we might have three or more there. Congrats jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:39 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might >have the .093 extrusions. I was just checking the DAW (Dillsburg Aeroplane Works) catalogue a minute ago. No .093 in 6061 T-6 or 2024 T-3. Their price for 1/8 is $1.10 a foot. If you guys ever saw this place you would not believe it - it's a barn and chicken coops, but they have a myriad of raw materials. Phone is (717) 432-4589. This is also their fax number so it might be tied up. I'm lucky, I live eight miles away. Regards jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:47 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Guys , THANKS Lipstick, pigs, tanks, training wheels! It has brought more then one chuckle to me this week. Every once in awhile it is good to hear a few rant, and lighten our days. Now what do you mean by a zodie looks better then a sonnex? Surely a Sonnex must have some sex appeal?!? Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo -----Original Message----- >> Well, I know you know you were asking for it, so I will give you a >> little. >> Your comparisons are mostly fair until you get to the lipstick on a >> pig. lol >> Speak for your own bird!! Mine is a cutie. If you are doubtful I'll >> send you a pic. Don W > >Alright, alright. Maybe the lipstick/pig analogy wasn't the most >appropriate. My apologies to Don (no pics necessary -- I trust you) and >all the others that have built truly remarkable pieces of work. What I >meant by that statement is that it makes no sense to put lipstick on a >pig, just as it makes no sense to use solid rivets on a Zodie. Maybe I >should have used "training wheels on a tank" instead? :) > >Mike >XL pig, w/o lipstick > >do not archive > >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:53 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Congratulations Rick! This has got to be a real surge for you. Keep us up to date on your flight experience as things develop. Very pleased to hear of a launch from the nest. Larry C. McFarland - 601hds Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Herndon" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Super Zodiac CH 601 HDS First Flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon > > Just wanted to let you know that N601DH made it's maiden flight at 9:30 > this morning from Warrenton-Fauquire County Airport (W66). ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:22 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Thanks Jeff, thats too bad on the .093 but a great price on .125 Dillsburg does not have web site that I know of. But they have been helping homebuilders for many many years. I have been told they also have some of the cheapest prices of all the suppliers. . At 05:18 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > > >>I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might >>have the .093 extrusions. > >I was just checking the DAW (Dillsburg Aeroplane Works) catalogue a minute >ago. No .093 in 6061 T-6 or 2024 T-3. > >Their price for 1/8 is $1.10 a foot. > >If you guys ever saw this place you would not believe it - it's a barn and >chicken coops, but they have a myriad of raw materials. > >Phone is (717) 432-4589. This is also their fax number so it might be tied >up. I'm lucky, I live eight miles away. > >Regards jeff > >do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:19 PM PST US From: "skydvr" Subject: Zenith-List: xl flap motor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skydvr" I am getting close to installing the flap motor but have not been able to find a vendor for this part,any one know of a vendor that would carry this item at a good cost skydvr@skydvr.com Anchorage,Alaska 601-Xl-plans currently working on the the control hardware ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:20 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans From: "Doug Mendonca" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" Thanks to all for the info on the .092 extrusion - looks like it's hard to get.. A couple readers thought I was talking about the "L" angle - I should have said "extrusion" - I'm bending the "L" myself...wish I could extrude. :) Monty - I thought the fuse longerons and braces were all .093 -- guess I need to go back and check the plans. The sample materials list shows 4 20 foot lengths, which (now that I think about it) would only cover the spar caps and some brackets, you're right..(I could have *sworn* the longers were .093!?) If I can't find the .093 after a few more phone calls I'll go ahead and use .125. Will re-verify with ZAC about that.. Regardless, I'm having a awfully good time hammering this pig out...it's such an odd experience to be pounding mercilessly on aluminum, realizing that you're employing cave-man technique on a modern aircraft...what a wonderful juxtaposition! -d. -----Original Message----- From: Monty Graves [mailto:mgraves@usmo.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might have the .093 extrusions. I went with the .125 also. Nick approved the substitution in all places on the 701. I calculated increased weight of around 2 lbs or less. There is very little .093 in the plane. spar caps and some brackets >--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > >Hi Doug. >For my money Mark T. is right. I did a really >extensive search and found one company that would >supply it on a custom order. Minimum order is 500 >lengths or 12 feet each. Little too much for my >meager needs but I believe that is where ZAC gets it >from. >FWIW I am going with the 1/8" >David >do not archive >> Does anyone have a name/number for a company that >> supplies 3/4" x 3/4" x >> .093 angle aluminum? >> >> I've called several places with no luck - part of >> the problem may be >> that I've been referring to it as ".093" where I >> should have said "3/32" >> - three thirty-seconds is probably a more common >> reference when speaking >> to a phone-order-taker. > > >===== >David Barth >601 XL Plansbuilder >Currently making parts. >Stab and Rudder waiting for skins > >__________________________________ >http://search.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:36 PM PST US From: Robert Hillebrand Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand HelloYou don't know me but I am building a 701 also. Did you know you can get .125 in long enough lengths that you won't have to make that exstension on the spar at the end to complete the wing. Also i don't know where you are located but I have a good supplier of materials here in St.Louis. Nice talking to you.......Bo Monty Graves wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Thanks Jeff, thats too bad on the .093 but a great price on .125 Dillsburg does not have web site that I know of. But they have been helping homebuilders for many many years. I have been told they also have some of the cheapest prices of all the suppliers. . At 05:18 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > > >>I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might >>have the .093 extrusions. > >I was just checking the DAW (Dillsburg Aeroplane Works) catalogue a minute >ago. No .093 in 6061 T-6 or 2024 T-3. > >Their price for 1/8 is $1.10 a foot. > >If you guys ever saw this place you would not believe it - it's a barn and >chicken coops, but they have a myriad of raw materials. > >Phone is (717) 432-4589. This is also their fax number so it might be tied >up. I'm lucky, I live eight miles away. > >Regards jeff > >do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:49 PM PST US From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" A pig rolled in flour ;) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Townsend Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Solid Flush Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Guys , THANKS Lipstick, pigs, tanks, training wheels! It has brought more then one chuckle to me this week. Every once in awhile it is good to hear a few rant, and lighten our days. Now what do you mean by a zodie looks better then a sonnex? Surely a Sonnex must have some sex appeal?!? Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:41 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: RE: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves 701 .093 longerons are only for the tail wheel option.. .040 longerons for the nose wheel standard version. Monty At 04:41 PM 4/30/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mendonca" > > >Monty - I thought the fuse longerons and braces were all .093 -- guess I >need to go back and check the plans. The sample materials list shows 4 >20 foot lengths, which (now that I think about it) would only cover the >spar caps and some brackets, you're right..(I could have *sworn* the >longers were .093!?) > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:07 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: angle aluminum supplier - 701, plans --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Hi Bo, Nice to meet you. SHAPIRO Supply? Monty At 04:41 PM 4/30/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand > >HelloYou don't know me but I am building a 701 also. Did you know you can get .125 in long enough lengths that you won't have to make that exstension on the spar at the end to complete the wing. Also i don't know where you are located but I have a good supplier of materials here in St.Louis. Nice talking to you.......Bo > >Monty Graves wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > >Thanks Jeff, > >thats too bad on the .093 but a great price on .125 > >Dillsburg does not have web site that I know of. But they have been >helping homebuilders for many many years. I have been told they also have >some of the cheapest prices of all the suppliers. > >. > >At 05:18 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >> >> >>>I didn't try Dillsburg in PA. (I don't have there phone number) They might >>>have the .093 extrusions. >> >>I was just checking the DAW (Dillsburg Aeroplane Works) catalogue a minute >>ago. No .093 in 6061 T-6 or 2024 T-3. >> >>Their price for 1/8 is $1.10 a foot. >> >>If you guys ever saw this place you would not believe it - it's a barn and >>chicken coops, but they have a myriad of raw materials. >> >>Phone is (717) 432-4589. This is also their fax number so it might be tied >>up. I'm lucky, I live eight miles away. >> >>Regards jeff >> >>do not archive > > >--------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:34 PM PST US From: "LARRY BOHANNON" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing tank series wiring --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LARRY BOHANNON" I am wanting to use one of the Engine Management Systems in my 701 like is used on a lot of ultralights.It has a fuel gauge included in the display.It says if you have 2 gas tanks you can wire the senders "in series" and it will display the total fuel of both tanks combined. I would rather use this than the 2 VDO fuel gauges that were supplied by Zenith.However, as I'm not real bright when it comes to electrical things, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to wire this, especially with the grounding to airframe stuff which is confusing me.I know when wiring stuff like stereo speakers etc. "in series" that you run from positive(power) to positive on speaker,then the speaker negative to the positive on next speaker etc. and on and on.. What I need to know is if this will work with the fuel senders on a metal airplane.Would I just run the negative from one sender to the positive on the next sender etc.?/ Would I then not need to ground the tank or sender to the airframe?Would I have to guard against the metal tank touching the airframe any where or what? Like I said , It's confusing to me with the airframe grounding and I want to make sure I don't wire up the fuel tanks in some deadly manner. Anybody know what to do?Help is greatly appreciated as I'm kind of stalled out on proceeding with work on the wing until I can figure this out.Thanks . Larry Bohannon Stol 701 #5040 Winder, Georgia ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:19 PM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: Zenith-List: 1/4" poly tubing for brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" I'm going to run short of the 1/4" brake tubing supplied in my CH801 kit. I need to get some more, but I don't know the spec. I assume it's some kind of "hardware stuff". Does anyone know for sure? Thanks Jim Frisby N801ZA