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1. 07:01 AM - Re: 701 down (daddybob)
2. 08:38 AM - Re: 701 down (Grant Corriveau)
3. 09:41 AM - Off-Topic Engine question (David Barth)
4. 11:11 AM - Re: Off-Topic Engine question (Randall Thomure)
5. 12:17 PM - Re: 701 down (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: Off-Topic Engine question (Bryan Martin)
7. 02:45 PM - Parachutes for Sale (Ed Kowalski)
8. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: 701 down (Clifton J. Bardwell)
9. 04:14 PM - Re: 701 down (mike sinclair)
10. 04:28 PM - Forced Landing and Future Passengers... (thomas hobbes)
11. 10:13 PM - Re: 701 down (Lyle D. Pahnke)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
As a lurker, not a builder (Yet!) I am curious about
the "Do Not Archive" at the end of all these posts
about this accident. Does this truly mean that these
posts will be unavailable to future readers/builders?
I have had to postpone my dream of building a 701 for
some years now because of health and financial
reversals. But it was those very things that led me to
sift through reams of DIY flying info to settle on the
701. I knew I had to build a safe plane (because of my
spinal condition), one with both the flying and
strength characterisitics of the 701, and a plane that
was affordable to build, and one that you could hang a
"real" motor on, to have the power to overcome the
capricious weather of my area.
I read and ponder nearly every thing you guys write. I
really hope that the best of this info will be in the
archives for me and others in the future.
This 701 Down story is to me a SUCCESS story, at least
of the design of the airplane itself. And as one who
grew up flying Cessnas out of farm fields, I sure
can't fault this man for not seeing a fence in an
emergency.
If there's some kind of thought that this story might
possibly reflect badly on this entire endeavour,
please re-think it before you write Do Not Archive.
Some of us could possibly owe our lives to your
learning and sharing.
Thanks, Daddybob
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> From: J Davis <jd@lri.sjhc.london.on.ca>
> [some emotional notes:] I'm just *so* pissed at myself for not
> making a good emergency landing in a field w/o a fence... *and*
> for not having paid the extra insurance $$ to have been covered
> for 'in flight' instead of only while on the ground. I guess I
> just feel like an old fool, more than anything, who has now nicely
> justified all the people who have said I'm crazy to build and fly
> an airplane.
Sounds to me like you did an excellent job of handling this EMERGENCY
situation. Remember - this is called an EMERGENCY for a very good reason.
The old flying adage "Any landing you walk away from is a good landing" is
NOT just a humourous line - it contains the golden nugget of truth that
flying is more dangerous than sitting in your armchair vegging in front of
the T.V..
In the end, the critics who told you you were crazy to "build and fly and
airplane" will be the ones who have lost out on LIFE. Life is an adventure!
And it is dangerous! And NO ONE gets out alive. The really sad thing is that
many are afraid to LIVE while they have the chance. You have chosen to live
and experience things that these critics will never understand. GOOD FOR
YOU!
As for the insurance etc... so what? We all make our best cost/risk analysis
and go with it. Sometimes we win, sometimes we win big. I believe in
insuring things I NEED like my house, my car, etc.. My aircraft is an
'optional' item, and like you I have not insured it for inflight risks. If
it get's damaged, I'll either rebuild it (hey building is half the fun), or
I'll scrap it and move on to another adventure.
So, let me add my 'WELL DONE' to the list. Now go take a little 'R & R' in
front of the 'boob tube' - recommended viewing: "The Right Stuff" ; "Apollo
13" ; "The Mighty" ; "Galaxy Quest" ; "X-Men" ; and anything else uplifting
that depicts the struggle we all face to grow and overcome! Then get back to
rebuilding!!!
Regards,
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF 601 HDS
"We are all of us in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."
- Oscar Wilde
"Through adversity, to the stars"
- motto of Canadian Air Force (I don't recall the Latin ;-)
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| Subject: | Off-Topic Engine question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi List.
Just looking for a little advice for those more
mechanically inclined than I am. I have a 13 year old
Nissan truck with about 300,000 km (187,000 miles) on
it. I have reason to believe there is a head gasket
leak and the coolant is slowly being burnt up in the
combustion process.
I don't believe it is worth spending any real time or
money on this vehicle as it is on its last leg. Here
is the question:
Is there any kind of coolant additive that would
efectively seal this (presumed) head gasket leak?
Thanks for any advice you might have. You might want
to reply direct to my email if you have a suggestion.
David
Do not archive
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | Off-Topic Engine question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Thomure" <rthomure@ameritech.net>
Dave,
Don't know about Nissans, but years ago I had head gasket problems with a
'68 Mustang with an in-line 200 c.i. 6 cylinder. There was a weak point in
the design that put the water jumper too close to the combustion chamber, so
I had to replace the head gasket a couple of times.
The general problem with a blown head gasket is that the exhaust gases blow
through the gasket and push the coolant out. Also the hot exhaust gases
over heats the remaining coolant water, which compounds the problem.
An additional problem is that the coolant finds a way to seep into the oil
pan, thus contaminating the oil. Water contamination in the oil is easily
determined by changing the oil color to a muddy brown color. Water
contamination ends up causing the most expensive problems due to bearing
scaring.
Bottom line is - you should either replace the head gasket or put it out of
its misery. Changing a head gasket is not too bad, just time and making
attention to the re-torque pattern. If you can build a plane, you can
replace a head gasket. But it does take you away from the fun stuff like
finishing the project - your real job - family - a social life (whatever
that is).
Sorry I could not give you a better answer, but already been there before.
Randy Thomure
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Zenith-List: Off-Topic Engine question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi List.
Just looking for a little advice for those more
mechanically inclined than I am. I have a 13 year old
Nissan truck with about 300,000 km (187,000 miles) on
it. I have reason to believe there is a head gasket
leak and the coolant is slowly being burnt up in the
combustion process.
I don't believe it is worth spending any real time or
money on this vehicle as it is on its last leg. Here
is the question:
Is there any kind of coolant additive that would
efectively seal this (presumed) head gasket leak?
Thanks for any advice you might have. You might want
to reply direct to my email if you have a suggestion.
David
Do not archive
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for
inspection.
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Jay,
Congratulations, Both you and your 701 did what was required. Good job.
Your insight would be appreciated, concerning engine selection.
I'm close to that decision, for my project, CH 701 SP. MGW is 1100 lb.
including engine up to 100 HP, and 200 lb.
I am thinking about the Great Planes VW with the Valley Engineering Bolt on,
speed reduction unit.
Also, the new X O 200, version of the C O 200 for Experimental Aircraft, is
an option now.
What are your thought's, if you are/would do it again?
Jerry E, Ch 701 SP
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic Engine question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 5/6/03 12:40 PM, David Barth at davids601xl@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi List.
> Just looking for a little advice for those more
> mechanically inclined than I am. I have a 13 year old
> Nissan truck with about 300,000 km (187,000 miles) on
> it. I have reason to believe there is a head gasket
> leak and the coolant is slowly being burnt up in the
> combustion process.
>
>
> Do not archive
>
If your coolant level is going down and you can't find any leaks it probably
is a blown head gasket. If coolant is being burned in your engine you should
see white smoke coming from the exhaust because of the burning anti-freeze.
You may also notice more steam than usual from the exhaust. Unfortunately,
the only cure is a new head gasket.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Parachutes for Sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kowalski" <salned@msn.com>
Two new strong Parachutes for sale. $1200.00 each new. One back and One seat.
$600.00 each plus shipping and handling.
E-mail salned@msn.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clifton J. Bardwell" <clif@duck.org>
You have a great point. I've read many posts on this listserve which
will definitely be of great use when I get to the points discussed.
However it seems that many people add "Do N*t Archive" (seemingly as
part of their signature) to their very informative posts keeping them
from being archived and searchable.
Just my 2p, since it was brought up. :)
Clif Bardwell
640-0039
http://homebuilt.duck.org
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of daddybob
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 down
--> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
As a lurker, not a builder (Yet!) I am curious about
the "Do Not Archive" at the end of all these posts
about this accident. Does this truly mean that these
posts will be unavailable to future readers/builders?
I have had to postpone my dream of building a 701 for
some years now because of health and financial
reversals. But it was those very things that led me to
sift through reams of DIY flying info to settle on the
701. I knew I had to build a safe plane (because of my
spinal condition), one with both the flying and
strength characterisitics of the 701, and a plane that
was affordable to build, and one that you could hang a
"real" motor on, to have the power to overcome the
capricious weather of my area.
I read and ponder nearly every thing you guys write. I
really hope that the best of this info will be in the
archives for me and others in the future.
This 701 Down story is to me a SUCCESS story, at least
of the design of the airplane itself. And as one who
grew up flying Cessnas out of farm fields, I sure
can't fault this man for not seeing a fence in an
emergency.
If there's some kind of thought that this story might
possibly reflect badly on this entire endeavour,
please re-think it before you write Do Not Archive.
Some of us could possibly owe our lives to your
learning and sharing.
Thanks, Daddybob
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: mike sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
>
>
> "Through adversity, to the stars"
> - motto of Canadian Air Force (I don't recall the Latin ;-)
>
"Ad Astra Per Aspera" To The Stars Through Difficulties. The motto on the
Kansas state flag.
Jay
Just to add my two cents worth, I also am very glad you walked away from the
accident. I broke a composite ultralight that I spent three years building back
in '86' after an engine failure. I only had twenty hours fight time on it when
I
ended up setting it down in an "open" pasture. Turns out that pasture wasn't as
smooth on the ground as it looked from the air, but had no other choice anyway.
After the dust settled I went and got a trailer, hauled it home, scrapped it
out, and started looking at the next project. Sometimes as they say, you just
gotta get back on that horse and ride him. Anyway, hope this detour on the road
of life doesn't set you back to bad, and hope your aircraft is rebuildable, and
the heck with those people that said you are crazy. I got people telling me that
all the time, but the majority of them don't know how to live and can't wipe
their own butts without instructions. Later
Mike Sinclair
Augusta, Kansas
701 taildragger (gonna fly this year!)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Forced Landing and Future Passengers... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: thomas hobbes <doublecheckvalve@yahoo.com>
JD-
When you are ready to go back up, but don't want
to take a passenger (wife, child), let me know.
I'd fly with you any day. All of my friends are
Helo pilots, and I shared your account with them.
Without exception, their response was 'This guy
is a civilian? Wow...sounded like he kept his
cool.'
Whenever you're ready--I'll even split the gas!
TR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lyle D. Pahnke" <ldpahnke@netwitz.net>
After reading your account, I can't help but think that you were equipped
and prepared mentally as best as anyone can be, and it played out with a
favorable result. In my opinion, the angle of attack instrument is also
keynote to your preparedness and professionalism and should be commended.
That is the very first instrument that I purchased for my plane, for the
very same reason. Congratulations. I am thankful for your wellbeing and only
hope that we can do as well if in the same situation. Good luck and thank
you for sharing. LDP
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