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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Parachutes for Sale (caspainhower@aep.com)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: 701 down (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Off-Topic Engine question (David Barth)
4. 06:20 AM - do not archive (David Barth)
5. 07:01 AM - Jay's Forced Landing. (Ben)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: 701 down (Mark A. Wood)
7. 08:40 AM - Angle of attack indicators (Gary Gower)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: 701 down (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: Angle of attack indicators (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators (Gary Gower)
11. 12:14 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators (Gary Gower)
12. 01:42 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators (Mark A. Wood)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/03/03 (W.R. \)
14. 05:15 PM - Pilot holes Ouchie (Mark Townsend)
15. 05:22 PM - Re: 701 down (Bill Morelli)
16. 05:35 PM - Re: Pilot holes Ouchie (Carlos Sa)
17. 05:42 PM - Re: Pilot holes Ouchie (Benford2@aol.com)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: Pilot holes Ouchie (Gary Liming)
19. 06:50 PM - Re: Pilot holes Ouchie (JNBOLDING1)
20. 07:11 PM - Microair radio (George Swinford)
21. 07:40 PM - Any advice? (Bill Howerton)
22. 07:40 PM - Re: Pilot holes Ouchie (Scott Laughlin)
23. 07:45 PM - Re: Microair radio (Peter Chapman)
24. 08:04 PM - Re: Any advice? (Scott Laughlin)
25. 08:05 PM - Fuel tank sealant (Rico Voss)
26. 08:29 PM - Re: Any advice? (Robert Hillebrand)
27. 08:51 PM - Re: Advice (STEFREE@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Parachutes for Sale |
05/07/2003 06:38:02 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Ed,
Do you have any additional info for the chutes, manufacturer, etc.?
I don't know much about parachutes but the One seat is refering to a chute
that rides low on your back that you sit on, not that fastens on a seat, is
that correct?
Craig S.
601 XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kowalski" <salned@msn.com>
Two new strong Parachutes for sale. $1200.00 each new. One back and One
seat.
$600.00 each plus shipping and handling.
E-mail salned@msn.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Hey folks, I'm just catching up on my mail and read all ref the "701 Down"
clips but for a newbie building a CH-701 what's with this Angle of Attack
thing, its not listed in my plans or assembly manual. Could someone enlighten
me on the subject? If this is an add on piece of equipment and in the
interest of safety I want one so where do I get one? Thanks. I guess this
aircraft has earned its title "SKY JEEP" Cheers
Roger Roy
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic Engine question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi all.
Thanks to you all who replied to this query both on
and off the list. A lot of people suggested Barrs
Leaks. At least two people said that "if you can build
an airplane, you can certainly change a head gasket".
I have been resisting that but you know I think you
are right. I may just go that route. Thanks again
for all your suggestions. This list is a great
resource thanks to all those who share their
experiences here.
Happy Building
Do not archive - you know since it is off topic and
all
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi list. There seems to be a lot of differing
opinions of what should be archived and what should
not. All I can say is that if you feel something
belongs in the archive that was flagged "do not
archive" then simply reply to it and in the reply
remove those three little words and it is done.
FWIW
David
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601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | Jay's Forced Landing. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ben <tbs677@yahoo.com>
Jay, Good job, my hat is off to you sir. When you stated you had an AOA, I knew
right away you weren't crazy. Having looked into that subject since '78, I
think your judgement is solid. Some time ago, I knew a crusty old CFI. He never
overstated anything. When you did something wrong, just the look told it
all. His flying skills and knowledge was respected by all of us. On occasion
when you did the right thing by diplaying good judgement with a tough decision
or really good airmanship, he wouldn't say a word. But you would get a big
smile and a nod, and coming from someone so respected , you knew you where getting
the highest complement. I know I'm not in the same league as that old salt,
but you have my smile and a nod. Regards, Ben.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
Roger
An angle of attack meter measures the angle the wing makes with the
relative wind. While stall speed will change with different
conditions such as load, temp and altitude, the angle of attack at
which a plane stalls will always stay the same. The same can be said
for best glide angle with power out.
Zenith does not include an angle of attack meter and I am sure they
would not recommend one as there are to many options for different
kinds of meters and different places and methods for attachment. For
people who need to fly on the edge of stall, such as a carrier pilot,
they are a must. For most of us they are very nice but not a must,
and one of the nice things about building is that you can put in just
the amount of "very nice" that you want.
If you are just starting your 701 I would suggest that you keep your
eyes open as you build and chances are that at some time you will see
articles on angle of attack indicators in one magazine or another,
adds in Kit Plane and others, or on the net. They are something you
can add at any time.
Mark Wood
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
>
>Hey folks, I'm just catching up on my mail and read all ref the "701 Down"
>clips but for a newbie building a CH-701 what's with this Angle of Attack
>thing, its not listed in my plans or assembly manual. Could someone enlighten
>me on the subject? If this is an add on piece of equipment and in the
>interest of safety I want one so where do I get one? Thanks. I guess this
>aircraft has earned its title "SKY JEEP" Cheers
>
>Roger Roy
>
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Mark Wood
Assistive Technology Consultant, VT I-Team
Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
University of Vermont
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| Subject: | Angle of attack indicators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Roger,
I dont have one installed in my plane (or sell them :-) they are
several types, both electronic and mechanical (wind).
Here is a page or two about them, so you can read the theory.
Prices are from expensive all the way down to homemade. There is even
one homemade with a yarn string that works great and is made with a pvc
tube and installed in the wing strut...
This is one page, there is another one with better explanation, I will
post it when I find it in my bookmarks....
http://www.liftreserve.com/
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- RoyN9869L@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
>
> Hey folks, I'm just catching up on my mail and read all ref the "701
> Down"
> clips but for a newbie building a CH-701 what's with this Angle of
> Attack
> thing, its not listed in my plans or assembly manual. Could someone
> enlighten
> me on the subject? If this is an add on piece of equipment and in
> the
> interest of safety I want one so where do I get one? Thanks. I guess
> this
> aircraft has earned its title "SKY JEEP" Cheers
>
> Roger Roy
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Thank you Mark for great information on the AOA topic, I get smarter every
day with this list, Cheers
Regards,
Roger
CH701
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Hi Gary,
Hey guy thanks for the site address very interesting and if you find the
other site address send it over my way. I'd appreciate that, Cheers
Regards,
Roger
CH701 - 912S
Still building
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Roy,
This is the most simple, yet equal efective.
http://www.supercub.org/woe/woe0402.php
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- RoyN9869L@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
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> Hi Gary,
>
> Hey guy thanks for the site address very interesting and if you find
> the
> other site address send it over my way. I'd appreciate that, Cheers
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger
> CH701 - 912S
> Still building
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Roy,
This is the most simple, yet equal efective.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- RoyN9869L@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Hey guy thanks for the site address very interesting and if you find
> the
> other site address send it over my way. I'd appreciate that, Cheers
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger
> CH701 - 912S
> Still building
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark A. Wood" <Mark.Wood@uvm.edu>
Gary
I love it. KISS is the way to go and this is very KISS
Mark Wood
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
>Roy,
>
>This is the most simple, yet equal efective.
>
>http://www.supercub.org/woe/woe0402.php
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower.
>
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Mark Wood
Assistive Technology Consultant, VT I-Team
Center on Disability and Community Inclusion
University of Vermont
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/03/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
The plans show 300mm forward and 450mm aft of the Datum which is the leading
edge.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Weber" <chrisoz@gmx.net>
>Could you have a look in your plans and tell me
>where it is from datum line (LE?), so I can compare?
>I'd very much appreciate that.
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| Subject: | Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Well it finally happened ! I have alot of the fuselage done, tail feathers
done, flaps done and presently working on the ailerons and nose ribs.
Tonight I had extra time so I went out to the garage to work on the aileron.
I have all the preholes drilled and while installing the ribs bam it finally
happened. I lined up the rib line and drilled through the predrilled holes
into the rib then into my finger !! I almost had this fantasy of making it
through without a hole in my finger. Oh well at least it was just a #40 bit
:-)
Mark Townsend
Plans building
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Morelli <billvt@together.net>
Roger,
Here is another AOA site http://www.riteangle.com/. This is the one I have
on my HDS
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus - Vermont - 236.2 flight hrs. - 338
landings, 1 ON ICE!!)
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
>Thank you Mark for great information on the AOA topic, I get smarter every
>day with this list, Cheers
>
>Regards,
>
>Roger
>CH701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Ouch! :oO
After a couple of nasty cuts, I got used to always work wearing gloves (of all
things, gardening gloves - not a major fashion statement, but light and not hot).
It saved me a few cuts and bruises, and it also reduces the hand prints on the
aluminum.
Granted, it wouldn't have saved your finger, but it helps with the smaller stuff.
Regards
Carlos
(So far, all holes applied to inorganic material)
> Oh well at least it was just a #40 bit
> :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 5/7/2003 6:16:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
601xl@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> Well it finally happened ! I have alot of the fuselage done, tail feathers
> done, flaps done and presently working on the ailerons and nose ribs.
> Tonight I had extra time so I went out to the garage to work on the
> aileron.
> I have all the preholes drilled and while installing the ribs bam it
> finally
> happened. I lined up the rib line and drilled through the predrilled holes
> into the rib then into my finger !! I almost had this fantasy of making it
> through without a hole in my finger. Oh well at least it was just a #40 bit
> :-)
>
> Mark Townsend
> Plans building
> 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
>
Wow. You are good. I hit my fingers so often I have the Red Cross Blood Bank
on my speed dial......... Ben Haas N801BH do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
At 08:23 PM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>I lined up the rib line and drilled through the predrilled holes
>into the rib then into my finger !! I almost had this fantasy of making it
>through without a hole in my finger.
Hey, you should try drilling into the fingernail right at the root where
the fingernail starts. Throbs real bad for a while and looks horrible for
months.
At least, that's what I've been told happens.... ;
)
(don't ask)
Gary Liming
N1776G
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JNBOLDING1" <JNBOLDING1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I lined up the rib line and drilled through the predrilled holes
>into the rib then into my finger !! I almost had this fantasy of making it
>through without a hole in my finger. Oh well at least it was just a #40 bit
List
At first I thought "what a stupid thing to do " then I remembered back about
25 yrs ago building my RV3. I was using a razor knife and a 4' aluminum straight
edge to cut something and had my thumb slightly exposed and trimmed off the
last 1/8" of it Changed my fingerprint for sure. LOW&SLOW John do
not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@attbi.com>
A question for anyone using the Microair comm radio:
Is the built-in intercom function satisfactory or should I plan on installing a
separate intercom?
If the latter, what brand of intercom works well with the Microair radio?
Thanks for any input.
George
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I am an XL builder who is waiting to start building. I received my
construction manuals and my blueprints when I ordered my kits, but because
of the long backlog of people ordering their kits, I have to wait almost 2
months for my kits to arrive. I have been using this time to study the
plans, buy tools (gotta love any excuse that allows me to buy more tools),
to get my work area in my garage ready, and build my worktable.
So now the question arises, is there any advice you older builders can
offer? I guess what I'm asking is this: Please complete the following
sentence: If I had it to do all over again, I would
_______________________________; and I'm glad I did
________________________.
Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated by myself and others
I'm sure.
Finally, I noticed that there are many detailed color manuals in .pdf format
in the builders' pages on the ZAC web site. These photos and their
associated details are not included in the photocopied manuals that I
received with my blueprints. The question is this: Are they included with
the kits? I am considering printing them all up, but don't wan't to waste
color ink if I'm going to get them anyway.
Aan again, Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Bill in Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot holes Ouchie |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Mark, I have a 3" cut on the palm of my left hand from the same size drill
bit. It's not quite healed yet. That's when I told myself to slow down.
Sometimes I try to sneak in a few minutes on the plane between family stuff
(eating dinner, running the kids to sporting events) and I get in a little
bit of a hurry. I have to remind myself to slow down. My Jeff Gordon
Mechanix gloves would have help (If I had them on).
Keep up the good work.
Scott Laughlin
601XL Plans
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Pilot holes Ouchie
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Well it finally happened ! I have alot of the fuselage done, tail feathers
done, flaps done and presently working on the ailerons and nose ribs.
Tonight I had extra time so I went out to the garage to work on the aileron.
I have all the preholes drilled and while installing the ribs bam it finally
happened. I lined up the rib line and drilled through the predrilled holes
into the rib then into my finger !! I almost had this fantasy of making it
through without a hole in my finger. Oh well at least it was just a #40 bit
:-)
Mark Townsend
Plans building
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Microair radio |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
At 22:07 07-05-03, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@attbi.com>
>A question for anyone using the Microair comm radio:
>Is the built-in intercom function satisfactory or should I plan on
>installing a separate intercom?
>If the latter, what brand of intercom works well with the Microair radio?
I find the Microair intercom just adequate. It isn't a voice activated
type, so there's always a little background hiss that's noticeable to me
(less so by my dad with his older ears!). I find I'm often adjusting my
headset's volume control to find a compromise, in that lowering the volume
to remove the hiss results in lower intercom voice volume as well. Some
improvement is possible by adjusting the sidetone volume, which is accessed
by a non-conducting screwdriver thru a hole in the side of the radio case.
It's supposed to be something one sets and forgets, and I it's setting will
depend on what brand of headsets one uses.
I have made posts to the list a couple times (1999 onwards) about the
Microair.
My recommendation: If saving money on one's instrument panel, the built-in
intercom is fine. If looking for a real quality intercom, buy a separate one.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, Canada
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bill:
It is worth printing the manuals from the Zenith site. I did that and I'm
glad I did because they were better than what ZAC sent with my plans. I
don't know about the kit, but I wouldn't expect them to be in your big box.
Also, there are several web sites with notes from the builders every step of
the way. Check Larry McFarlands site at www.macsmachine.com. He has
excellent photos and an excellent journal. He also does good work and has
documented many of his ideas.
Also, Ray Montagne has one of the best collection of photos for kit builders
at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac/
And I can't forget to mention Michel Therein's page at:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/
There's lots of info out there, you just have to dig a little. I've got a
little head start on you, so maybe you can take a look at my photos and
comments and learn a little.
Good luck and keep surfing until your kit arrives. Oh yea....
If I had it to do all over again, I would
HAVE STARTED SOONER.
I'm glad I did
GO TO THE ZENITH FACTORY WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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From: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Any advice?
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I am an XL builder who is waiting to start building. I received my
construction manuals and my blueprints when I ordered my kits, but because
of the long backlog of people ordering their kits, I have to wait almost 2
months for my kits to arrive. I have been using this time to study the
plans, buy tools (gotta love any excuse that allows me to buy more tools),
to get my work area in my garage ready, and build my worktable.
So now the question arises, is there any advice you older builders can
offer? I guess what I'm asking is this: Please complete the following
sentence: If I had it to do all over again, I would
_______________________________; and I'm glad I did
________________________.
Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated by myself and others
I'm sure.
Finally, I noticed that there are many detailed color manuals in .pdf format
in the builders' pages on the ZAC web site. These photos and their
associated details are not included in the photocopied manuals that I
received with my blueprints. The question is this: Are they included with
the kits? I am considering printing them all up, but don't wan't to waste
color ink if I'm going to get them anyway.
Aan again, Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Bill in Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sealant |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
I'm getting ready to seal up the XL wing fuel tanks
(hopefully for the last time), and am wondering what
to use to seal the threads on the brass fittings.
I'm not excited about using teflon tape or
teflon-based liquid (see earlier posts), and I'd
rather not have to buy more speciality items from the
catalog.
Question is: Why not use the old standby Permatex
GAsket Sealant #1 or #2 (also made by Loctite).
They're resistant to gasoline and are on the shelf.
Anybody had any good/bad experience with them.
Thanks for your experience.
--Rico
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
Hello Bill-My name is Bo Hillebrand and I am a 701 plans man. What I have done
and I am very happy with the results is built the wings,and the fuselage. Very
good experience and I proved to myself that I could follow the plans and make
all the tooling blocks and form the materials and end up with a very nice plane.
But now I have decided to buy all the rest of the parts from zac. I am really
moving along nicely and it shouldn't be much longer until completion. Best
of luck.....Bo
Bill Howerton <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill
Howerton"
I am an AL builder who is waiting to start building. I received my
construction manuals and my blueprints when I ordered my kits, but because
of the long backlog of people ordering their kits, I have to wait almost 2
months for my kits to arrive. I have been using this time to study the
plans, buy tools (cotta love any excuse that allows me to buy more tools),
to get my work area in my garage ready, and build my worktable.
So now the question arises, is there any advice you older builders can
offer? I guess what I'm asking is this: Please complete the following
sentence: If I had it to do all over again, I would
_______________________________; and I'm glad I did
________________________.
Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated by myself and others
I'm sure.
Finally, I noticed that there are many detailed color manuals in .PDP format
in the builders' pages on the AC web site. These photos and their
associated details are not included in the photocopied manuals that I
received with my blueprints. The question is this: Are they included with
the kits? I am considering printing them all up, but don't can't to waste
color ink if I'm going to get them anyway.
AAA again, Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Bill in Colorado Springs
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: STEFREE@aol.com
:=A0 If I had it to do all over again, I would go out and find builders in
several different phase of construction. Take lot's of pictures, ask lots of
questions and learn as best I could from their tribulations. And I sure am
glad I made friends with people off of this list who have helped me
immeasurably in my pursuit of finsihing this aircraft. I'm so close now I
can almost taste it! I haven't flown in 2 years as my finances have recently
gotten a good screwing, and those instruments sure do add up!
But it's time to go get current and get ready to fly!
Good luck and more importantly, have fun! Build safe.
Steve Freeman
n902AL
Transmorgrifier
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