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1. 12:49 AM - Rotax mounting (Jari Kaija)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Rotax mounting (Jari Kaija)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: Fw: Powering up your Gyro's (Lowell Metz)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Fiberglass cowling (nhulin)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: CH601 HD - tolerances (Larry McFarland)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Fuel line routing (Rick)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass cowling (Brian Caithcart)
8. 11:40 AM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller (H. Robert Schoenberger)
9. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass cowling (mike sinclair)
10. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass cowling (Michel Therrien)
11. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass cowling (Scott Laughlin)
12. 06:49 PM - Flying Lessons (Dabusmith@aol.com)
13. 08:24 PM - Re: Fw: Powering up your Gyro's (Chesterman Family)
14. 08:35 PM - Re: Flying Lessons (Chesterman Family)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
I just bought engine to my plane:
Rotax 912 UL, sn: 379-2746 ttsn: 850. (modified->tbo 1200)
So. now I'm wondering, if there is anyone, who has bought engine
mounting to his plane, but didn't ever used it and will sell it?
Chip (Erwin) have mountings at 500$ (not bad either) + toll (very bad,
since his country doesn't belong EU... yet...) + shipment...
-Jari
www.jarikaija.com
www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
E-mail message creator will suggest several corrections for his last e-mail
subjected as "Rotax mounting".
1 - Change all "TO" words to word "FOR"
2 - Insert "AN" just before word "ENGINE"
3 - Ignore any other errors on mail
4 - Keep smile!
-Jari
www.jarikaija.com
www.project-ch701.net
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from server, so, save your pathetic time...)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Powering up your Gyro's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Don,
I went with an electric T&B and a vacuum artificial Horizon. I
mounted a venturi ( horn) on the left boot cowl for the vacuum and mounted
the filter inside on the left boot cowl . Haven't flown yet but it looks
kind of " airplanie". I went with the Vertical Card Compass rather than the
DG. Was advised that since GPS, the DG was added expense I could do
without.
Lowell Metz 701 Florida.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gordon" <djgordon@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Powering up your Gyro's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Gordon <djgordon@bigpond.net.au>
>
>
> Hi List
>
> I've started installing instruments into my 701 and I was wondering
> what other builders have used to drive there suction instruments.
> ie. DG AH and turn & Bank instruments.
>
> Thanks in advance Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Listers,
Please reply to the list on this one. I'm contemplating a custom cowl for a
Corvair installation and all ideas and input will be appreciated.
...neil
Neil Hulin
Cincinnati, Ohio
601XL
----- Original Message -----
> Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US
> From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass cowling
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> If anyone made or plan to make (and figured out how to
> do it) a fiberglass cowling, please contact me. I
> would like to check a few things with you.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 HD - tolerances |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 HD - tolerances
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> Hello, all
>
> I have cut the upper and lower spar cap doublers (6V2-7HD and 6V2-8HD) out
of an
> 0.125" plate (3 mm).
>
> Due to systematic error, all these parts ended up being only 37.5 mm wide,
instead
> of the specified 38 mm.
>
> I have sent an email to ZAC asking if this is acceptable, but, while
waiting, I'd
> like to know what this group thinks...?
> (I know it's not a jet fighter, but it's part of the spar, so I'd rather
ask than
> worry.)
> Carlos
Carlos,
It's very likely not a structural problem unless
this dimension compromises edge distance on any
of the holes or other parts dependant on this dimension.
You'll have to look just a little closer here.
Larry C. McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
George Swinford wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@attbi.com>
>
> Rick:
>
> Are you using the header tank?
No, just the 2 wing tanks.
Rick P.
>
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
> To: "Zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel line routing
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to decide where to put the fuel selector valve in my 601HD
> > and would like to see some pics of others' installations. I plan on
> > using an extended handle so I can mount the valve towards the floor of
> > the cockpit so the lines run continuosly downhill avoid in order to
> > avoid any low spots for water to accumulate. The best spot that I can
> > see is low on the firewall, but the nose wheel steering push-pull rods
> > travel up and down in this area.
> > Any thoughts or photos from someone who has already sorted this out?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Rick P.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
Neil and Michel,
I am building a CH601HD. For my cowl I am going to buy a nose bowl and make
a custom aluminum cowl like on a Piper PA-11. I am going to use a Pitts
style nose bowl. I have seen this type of cowl on a 601 and it in my opinion
looks excellent. They are not too difficult to make from scratch. Just copy
the design from a Piper rag and tube aircraft. Fibreglass nose bowls can be
purchased from ACS or if you prefer an aluminum bowl check with the aircraft
wrecking yards.
Your other option is to make a female mold to form a custom fibreglass cowl.
Lots of info on this method is available on the web, in books, and in old
Kitplanes issues. Personally I don't enjoy working with fibreglass (one of
the reasons I am building a metal plane) so this method is not for me.
Brian Caithcart
Saskatoon Sask. Canada
CH601HD/corvair
>From: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fiberglass cowling
>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:04:17 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
>Listers,
>
>Please reply to the list on this one. I'm contemplating a custom cowl for a
>Corvair installation and all ideas and input will be appreciated.
>
>...neil
>Neil Hulin
>Cincinnati, Ohio
>601XL
>
>----- Original Message -----
> > Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US
> > From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass cowling
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > If anyone made or plan to make (and figured out how to
> > do it) a fiberglass cowling, please contact me. I
> > would like to check a few things with you.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
Steve . . . make sure all three holes that hold the extra heads are filled
with the heads. Mine hisses also when one of them is out. most annoying.
Have a quality day. Hap Schoenberger 701, tail done, working on wings. Do
not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
>
> I recently bought one of the rivet pullers ZAC sells, and it continually
leaks a small amount of air through the system. It produces an audible hiss
as long as it is connected to an air line. In spite of this it seems to
work just fine. I need to determine if the hiss is normal in which case I
can learn to ignore it, or if I should contact ZAC and make arrangements to
return it before too much time goes by. I previously had one of the Harbor
Freight pullers which didn't leak at all. Has anyone else had this
experience with a ZAC puller?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Dixon
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: mike sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
I am currently in the process of building a plug around my engine, so that I
can pull a mold, and then lay up a cowl. I picked up the zenith cowl with my
kit (currently for sale, please reply off line if interested. zenith quoted
$375 plus shipping) and was not impressed with the design. Skyshop has a cowl
from Czeck aircraft that they want 385 for, but the design is the same as
zeniths (substandard in my opinion, although Danny at Skyshop says their
workmanship is better), though their shipping is cheaper. Mine will be
considerably cleaner and is built around a mounted 912ul engine on the nose of
a 701. My process is:
1) Wrap the engine up tight with plastic and duct tape (those that ran out
after the last scare and bought up a bunch to seal their houses should have a
ready supply, for the others, the stores have restocked). All round the engine,
exhaust, and tape to the firewall. The front of the radiator and oil cooler
will just need duct tape to cover.
2) Form the basic shape using poster board and duct tape.
3) Continue forming the basic shape with chicken wire.
4) Expansion foam over the chicken wire. 2 part foam is preferable, but
sometimes hard to acquire due to shelf life. Gap sealer foam from your local
hardware store of the type used to seal around pipes will work (and is what I
am using). Use the minimum expansion type and do not try to spread with a
trowel. That's sort of like trying to shape a soap bubble, with the same
results.
5) With a body file or similar, form the foam undersize from the final contour
desired. Note, if the foam comes real close to the final contour, it will
continue minor expansion somewhat for some time. Just dig out the bubble of
foam with a knife and reseal and recontour with plaster. Want to know how I
know this?
6) Build up with plaster to final contour (the step I'm on and should be
finished with this weekend). I'm using Ultracal 30 made by United States
Gypsum. It's a minimum shrinkage plaster. Build in thin wet coats (goes on well
by hand, just coat your hands well with vaseline to protect yourself from the
cement and silica in the plaster), after the initial heavy coats. While still
wet but fairly well set up, it can be shaped with a body file. For the
underside where the plaster wants to fall off, mix with hemp fibers
(non-smokeable, completely legal, probably can be gotten at the same place as
the Ultracal, and about $135 a bale). Final contour can be achieved by
bodyfile, vixen file, drywall sanding equipment, or whatever you are
comfortable with. One note, you will probably want to use some water with the
sanding.
7) Scribe the split lines for your cowl sections. On mine I will have a split
line for the upper cowl, and a split line down the center from the prop shaft
all the way under to the rear (to allow me to pull the lower cowl mold due to
mold lines without breakage). After the two piece lower sections have been
pulled from the plug, they will be rejoined with glass.
8) Shellac the surface. May take a wet sand and a 2nd coat to get a good seal
of the surface, and to remove imperfections. Make sure the scribe lines in the
plug are still there.
9) Mold wax, parting film, whatever it takes but do a thorough job, do not skip
this step if you want to be able to get the mold loose.
10) Gelcoat, brush or spray on. This will be the finish surface for your mold.
11) Lay up the individual mold sections with excess. The scribe line will mark
where it needs to be trimmed back to.
12) After breaking the mold loose from the plug, put it back in place and
reinforce. I intend to used 3/8" aluminum tubing with a liberal coat of plaster
and hemp. Should be about bullet proof, and legs can be added also to get the
mold up to a working level or at least stabilize so that it don't rock and roll
while trying to lay up the actual cowl.
By this point you should be far enough along, and have a good enough
understanding of the process, that further comments from me about the layup of
the actual cowl would be rather pointless.
Good Luck! By the way this plaster and hemp portion of the process is what our
plaster pattern makers and tooling people here at Boeing Wichita use. When I am
done I will have a mold that should be suitable for building multiple cowls if
there should be a requirement. Or I may just have a mold for sale.
Mike Sinclair
701 Taildragger
The cowl is my last major assembly, all others are done. Then all I have left
are the details. 90% done & 60% to go.
nhulin wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> Please reply to the list on this one. I'm contemplating a custom cowl for a
> Corvair installation and all ideas and input will be appreciated.
>
> ...neil
> Neil Hulin
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> 601XL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US
> > From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass cowling
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > If anyone made or plan to make (and figured out how to
> > do it) a fiberglass cowling, please contact me. I
> > would like to check a few things with you.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I don't anticipate enjoying it either. After all,
that's why I decided to build an aluminum plane.
Which nose cowl will that be in the ACS catalog?
The only ones I've seen with explicit dimensions are
35 or 36" wide and this is too wide for what I want.
When I was considering that option, I was looking for
about 32 wide.
--- Brian Caithcart <bcaithcart@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart"
> <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
> Neil and Michel,
>
> I am building a CH601HD. For my cowl I am going to
> buy a nose bowl and make
> a custom aluminum cowl like on a Piper PA-11. I am
> going to use a Pitts
> style nose bowl. I have seen this type of cowl on a
> 601 and it in my opinion
> looks excellent. They are not too difficult to make
> from scratch. Just copy
> the design from a Piper rag and tube aircraft.
> Fibreglass nose bowls can be
> purchased from ACS or if you prefer an aluminum bowl
> check with the aircraft
> wrecking yards.
>
> Your other option is to make a female mold to form a
> custom fibreglass cowl.
> Lots of info on this method is available on the web,
> in books, and in old
> Kitplanes issues. Personally I don't enjoy working
> with fibreglass (one of
> the reasons I am building a metal plane) so this
> method is not for me.
>
> Brian Caithcart
> Saskatoon Sask. Canada
> CH601HD/corvair
>
>
> >From: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fiberglass cowling
> >Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:04:17 -0400
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin"
> <nhulin@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Listers,
> >
> >Please reply to the list on this one. I'm
> contemplating a custom cowl for a
> >Corvair installation and all ideas and input will
> be appreciated.
> >
> >...neil
> >Neil Hulin
> >Cincinnati, Ohio
> >601XL
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> > > Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US
> > > From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass cowling
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel
> Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > If anyone made or plan to make (and figured out
> how to
> > > do it) a fiberglass cowling, please contact me.
> I
> > > would like to check a few things with you.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Mike:
All that sounds fascinating, but I need some photos! Take a picture of
where you are now and email it to me. Email me several and I'll put them on
my website for everyone else. Thanks for the detailed explanation!
Take care,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: mike sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fiberglass cowling
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
I remember reading about an ultralight flight school in Canada that used
701's for training. I have not been able to find them. I would love to take
lessons in a 701 before I fly mine. Any ideas?
Also, anyone have ideas on a good gull wing style cabin door hold open
system?
Dave Smith
Graham, WA.
Just finished cowling installation. Will install door hold open of some sort.
Then paint fuselage. Everything else is done except upholstery.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Powering up your Gyro's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
That is pretty high tech stuff, why not just look out the window. that gives
you life size turn and bank. sorry could not resist . just returned from a
flight with a student pilot new to a 701 and it was lightly spitting and
near 1/2 hour after dusk. too dark in cockpit to see instruments anyway.
grass strip, no airports and towns all lite up.
What fun!
Dave Chesterman 701
Don Gordon wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Gordon <djgordon@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Hi List
>
> I've started installing instruments into my 701 and I was wondering
> what other builders have used to drive there suction instruments.
> ie. DG AH and turn & Bank instruments.
>
> Thanks in advance Don
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
you are possibly refering to simdel flight acadamy where I learned. He had two
701"s plus a gryo but he now flys and airbus out of newyork.
Dave Chesteman
inactive ultralight instructor.
Dabusmith@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
>
> I remember reading about an ultralight flight school in Canada that used
> 701's for training. I have not been able to find them. I would love to take
> lessons in a 701 before I fly mine. Any ideas?
> Also, anyone have ideas on a good gull wing style cabin door hold open
> system?
> Dave Smith
> Graham, WA.
> Just finished cowling installation. Will install door hold open of some sort.
> Then paint fuselage. Everything else is done except upholstery.
>
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