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1. 12:13 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 05/16/03 (Mark Weiss)
2. 01:30 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (Dr. Perry Morrison)
3. 02:52 AM - Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling (Phil & Michele Miller)
4. 06:30 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? (Grant Corriveau)
5. 06:37 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? (g t)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling (Darryl West)
8. 06:50 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. (g t)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. (g t)
10. 06:54 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (Darryl West)
11. 07:09 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. (Don Walker)
12. 07:11 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (Cleone Markwell)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling (Dave Austin)
14. 07:38 AM - 701 Access panels (ruruNY@aol.com)
15. 07:59 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (Bruce Bockius)
16. 08:21 AM - 701 access panels (RURUNY@aol.com)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (Greg Ferris)
18. 08:34 AM - Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? (Jeff Small)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: What Walmart tires? (H. Robert Schoenberger)
20. 11:09 AM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller (Robert Rehmel)
21. 11:16 AM - Zenith 701 (Hal Rozema)
22. 11:38 AM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller (Steve Dixon)
23. 02:05 PM - Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller (Jim Frisby)
24. 03:35 PM - 701 Access and Inspection Panels Updated Text (RURUNY@aol.com)
25. 03:56 PM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
26. 05:07 PM - Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling (Mike Fothergill)
27. 05:42 PM - Re: 601HD real world cruise speed (The Meiste's)
28. 06:28 PM - Re: What Walmart tires? (Philip Polstra)
29. 08:57 PM - Re: Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? (Benford2@aol.com)
30. 09:48 PM - Re: What Walmart tires? (Gary Gower)
31. 09:54 PM - Re: inspection covers (Gary Gower)
32. 10:08 PM - Re: What Walmart tires? (Gary Gower)
33. 10:23 PM - Re: Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? (GW)
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 05/16/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Weiss <mkweiss@palm.net>
Hi:
You have sent Mark Weiss an email. He is on vacation and will get back
to you when he returns.
Thanks
Mark Weiss
This message was sent from my Palm wireless email account.
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <prm@softhome.net>
85 knots, 5000rpm 912A GSC 3 blade prop forget the pitch right now.
601HD 267kg empty weight.
There is a web page with similar data that others will point out.
Perry Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD real world cruise speed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart"
<bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
>
> What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
> sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more like 100mph.
I
> need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers on the
list
> getting for cruise speed?
>
> Brian Caithcart
> Saskatoon, Sask.
> CH601HD/corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Good for you, Dave.
Whilst I don't agree with spending infinite resources to extract an
extra half knot, whatever can be done within reason has a payoff in
better cruise and/or better fuel consumption. If you haven't already
posted details of your mods, Dave, please do so. I know I would be
interested as I'm sure others would (and I have the deluxe 701 barn
door).
Cheers,
Phil Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Austin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Hey Guys,
With all respect to the vast knowledge exhibited on this site on a
regular basis..including me, (tongue firmly planted in cheek) I took a
95 mph cruise 601 to a 120 mph cruise rocket with some pretty simple
changes and fairings. Barn door my xxx. Watch your language!! Dave
Austin 601HDS - 912
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> would at least be able to get home.
I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway use'
wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for long
hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
from these tires than those running on paved airports.
And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the ground
to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
pavement.
I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my theory...
if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hi Brian:
I'm getting 150 kms/h at 4600 RPM's with a 912ULS and a 2 blade WoodComp with the
lowest pitch range. Maintaining the RPM's and increasing pitch I can get 170
kms/h but never crossing the 27in/hg line of manifold pressure. 180-190 kms/h
are reachable but just burning the engine at max. RPM's
After some tests, it seems that the wing airfoil doesn't help to get more speed.
Maybe a 3 blade woodcomp change a little bit the performance (Probably Chip
Erwing can tell you about it) but I'm not sure, and actually I don't mind. I really
can live with what I have...
Yago Osset
Spain
Brian Caithcart <bcaithcart@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart"
What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more like 100mph. I
need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers on the list
getting for cruise speed?
Brian Caithcart
Saskatoon, Sask.
CH601HD/corvair
---------------------------------
Nueva versin: Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y ms #161;Gratis!
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
At least at one time, trailer tires had a stronger side wall construction due to
the load and the bouncing of the load one can get on highways. I do not know
if this is true today anymore, but it would be worth the research before one
tries a trailer tire or a wheelbarrow tire. Others please post as I will if
I find additonal information.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON LANDING?????
Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> would at least be able to get home.
I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway use'
wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for long
hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
from these tires than those running on paved airports.
And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the ground
to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
pavement.
I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my theory...
if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl West <rdwest@shaw.ca>
How does your in-cowl rad and oil cooler work if you closed off the air exit
in the cowl?
Darryl West
rdwest@shaw.ca
http://members.shaw.ca/rdwest/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Austin
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:43 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Ref request how to make a barn door into a rocket, and still stall at 50
> mph..
> Change from HD to HDS. Put rad and oil cooler inside the cowl, Fit
> home-made wheel spats (only as wide as the forks) to all three legs,
> home-made fairings for the main gear leg boxes, Spitfire-like wing root
> fairings that start at the spar and extend 18 inches back along
> the fuselage
> beyond the wing trailing edge, close off all holes in the cowl except the
> original front shark mouth and finally, fit an ARPLAST in-flight
> adjustable
> prop. Cruises at 120 mph on 4 gall/hr. Next mod was to be aileron and
> elevator gap strips (claimed to give 3 or 4 mph) but decided to build
> something else.
> What is the stall speed on those glass slippers?
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
This link will get you additonal information on trailer and passenger tire designs.
Nothing about wheelbarrow tires though.
Tom
http://www.championtrailers.com/tire_art.html
g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t
At least at one time, trailer tires had a stronger side wall construction due to
the load and the bouncing of the load one can get on highways. I do not know
if this is true today anymore, but it would be worth the research before one
tries a trailer tire or a wheelbarrow tire. Others please post as I will if I
find additonal information.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON LANDING?????
Grant Corriveau wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> would at least be able to get home.
I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway use'
wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for long
hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
from these tires than those running on paved airports.
And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the ground
to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
pavement.
I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my theory...
if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
This link will get you additonal information on trailer and passenger tire designs.
Nothing about wheelbarrow tires though.
Tom
http://www.championtrailers.com/tire_art.html
g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t
At least at one time, trailer tires had a stronger side wall construction due to
the load and the bouncing of the load one can get on highways. I do not know
if this is true today anymore, but it would be worth the research before one
tries a trailer tire or a wheelbarrow tire. Others please post as I will if I
find additonal information.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON LANDING?????
Grant Corriveau wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> would at least be able to get home.
I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway use'
wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for long
hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
from these tires than those running on paved airports.
And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the ground
to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
pavement.
I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my theory...
if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl West <rdwest@shaw.ca>
100 mph @ 5000 rpm
108 mph @ 5500 rpm
800-1000 fpm solo (4000 ft home field elev)
601HD 912 trike no wheel fairings
Warp Drive 3-blade non tapered 68" dia 16 degree (I think) pitch at tips
Darryl West
Calgary, AB
rdwest@shaw.ca
http://members.shaw.ca/rdwest/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian
> Caithcart
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:15 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD real world cruise speed
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart"
> <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
>
> What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
> sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more
> like 100mph. I
> need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers
> on the list
> getting for cruise speed?
>
> Brian Caithcart
> Saskatoon, Sask.
> CH601HD/corvair
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire design. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
To be frank, Frank, I have had no hesitation in using the wheel barrow
tires since they were provided with the kit. However, the Carlyle tires do
not last as long, and I did forego landing on one strip that presented a
strength question due to large gravel.
We have discussed this before, but there are scooter tires available that
have the strength and are rounded rather than flat on the tread. I think I
will use them next so I don't have to change tires so often and can land
anywhere. They look tough. The Carlyle tires seem to have a softer tread
that wears more quickly than Cheng Shin, but neither of these has a strong
side wall. (Well, there go the softer landings of the ol' wheel barow
tires.) Don Walker HDS
do not archive
>From: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What Walmart tires? Information on trailer tire
>design.
>Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 06:49:56 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
>
>This link will get you additonal information on trailer and passenger tire
>designs. Nothing about wheelbarrow tires though.
>
>Tom
>
>http://www.championtrailers.com/tire_art.html
>
>g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t
>
>At least at one time, trailer tires had a stronger side wall construction
>due to the load and the bouncing of the load one can get on highways. I do
>not know if this is true today anymore, but it would be worth the research
>before one tries a trailer tire or a wheelbarrow tire. Others please post
>as I will if I find additonal information.
>
>DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON
>LANDING?????
>
>
>Grant Corriveau wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
>
> > From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
>
> > There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> > could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> > these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> > would at least be able to get home.
>
>I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway use'
>wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
>trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for
>long
>hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
>
>The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
>bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
>from these tires than those running on paved airports.
>
>And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the
>ground
>to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
>capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
>pavement.
>
>I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my theory...
>if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
>
>--
>Grant Corriveau
>C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Brian, In cold weather I can actually see 100mph, at 3000 msl, at 5500 rpm,
but not in hot wx. I have the 80 hp Rotax and have my ASI checked out
pretty close. I was disappointed also, but this is the real world. I
don't know how some fellows get 20 mph more. Perhaps without a good static
system. Cleone
At 06:14 PM 5/16/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
>
>What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
>sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more like 100mph. I
>need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers on the list
>getting for cruise speed?
>
>Brian Caithcart
>Saskatoon, Sask.
>CH601HD/corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Darryl,
I still have the exit at the rear bottom of the cowl. The holes filled in
that I refer to are those I made on various recommendations in the front to
increase air in. Then someone whispered to me that "get the hot air out"
was the secret. So I ducted the rear of the radiator tightly down to the
low pressure area, and "voila"!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | 701 Access panels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruNY@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bruce Bockius <bruce@whiteantelopesoftware.com>
107MPH/93 kts with 100hp Stratus, 2.2:1 reduction, 4600-4800rpm, around
13 deg pitch on 70" warp.
-Bruce/601HD/TDO/Stratus/365 hrs
***********************************
Bruce Bockius
Black Forest, CO, USA
bruce@WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com
http://www.WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com/zodiac
Brian Caithcart wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
>
>What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
>sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more like 100mph. I
>need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers on the list
>getting for cruise speed?
>
>Brian Caithcart
>Saskatoon, Sask.
>CH601HD/corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 access panels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Larry,
I know there are very few resourses for information on access panels as I
looked on the internet for information and found suprisingly very little on
the subject. The last 2 weeks of construction on my plane have been on
maintenance and inspection access panels for my wings. I have taken lots of
pictures and put them in an album on shutterfly. I made 3 different types as
you will see in pictures. Small ones for fuel line fitting access have .032
doublers and .025 covers. On these the skin is cut the same size as the hole
in the doubler so the screws to hold the access cover go thru the skin adding
strength. The donut looking ones are for fuel sender access on the top of the
wing. The covers for both these type are not flush to the skin and the screws
are not countersunk. I don't think the little extra drag is a concern and
after the recent discussion on the list about drag I'm convinced
its not. The fuel sender access doublers are .025 and the covers are .025 ,
the .025 doubler follows the slight curve in the top of the wing easier. I am
using 1/4 inch screws here as clearance to the tank is minimal. The big
square access is good to fit my hand in to get the strobe power supply out.=20I
am using 10/32 floating nutplates and the bolts supplied by zenith to mount
the powersupply. I will need only access to one side to remove and install
it. The panel to inspect the forward strut mount fitting bolts and the spar
bolts will be used to mount the pitot tube on the left wing.
These might seem overbuilt for the job, but I did write and get a response
from C Heintz and he did stress the use of doublers. The weight gain is
minimal for the later benifit.
Brian Unruh
Long Island
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/
Here is the link to the pics if the other link is not working.
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i67b0de21b33f5b86050a¬ag1
I'm installing a Lift Reserve Indicator in my 701. The bracket for the probe,
which
is like a pitot tube,comes mounted on a fairly thick inspection cover plate.
I'm thinking=A0 it's probably too thick to mount directly to the=A0 thinner=20.016
skin so I probably need to cut it off and mount it on a piece of .016 skin
"inspection cover" and use the thicker cutoff plate as a backing plate. Does
anybody
know where I can find on the internet some info on how to make proper
inspection
covers and backing plates, etc?
Larry Bohannon
701
Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I get 106mph at 5100RPM with my 601HD, 912UL, 68" 3-blade Warp Drive prop
(set at 13 degrees). No fairings installed yet. I used the plug of the
Skyshop cowl. My original goal was to get 110, I'm hoping to eventually get
a little more than that. Has anyone looked at blending the back side of the
bubble back to the fuselage? I noticed when I flew through a shower that
the air separates from the bubble around a foot up from the rear edge.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD real world cruise speed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart"
<bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
>
>
> What is the REALWORLD cruise speed for a CH601HD. I've heard from many
> sources that the published 120mph cruise speed should be more like 100mph.
I
> need to know for when I order my prop. What are the 601HD flyers on the
list
> getting for cruise speed?
>
> Brian Caithcart
> Saskatoon, Sask.
> CH601HD/corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Opened today's issue of EAA e-HOT LINE and read that eight more pilots have been
selected to fly their states' flag to FFA as part of the "50 Flags to Kitty
Hawk" program.
None of the eight are flying homebuilt a/c as part of this centennial celebration
of the world's first homebuilt. Instead we have a Cessna 172, a Mooney, and
a Skylane as part of the parade of a/c participating.
Would seem to me that the organization that began its existence with interest in
homebuilts and whose first name is "Experimental" might want to pick some pilots
and aircraft that reflect that interest.
Yes, I applied to the program, and no, I wasn't selected to be the Pennsylvania
pilot; maybe that explains my dissatisfaction. The "roots" of EAA (the Chapters)
may still grow in the garages and workshops of its members, but the national
organization seems to be lured by the big money of interests like Ford and
Eclipse.
My grumpy two-cents worth.jeff
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
List . . .In answer to the question below, if you blow a tire at the
intersection of two major active intersecting runways when landing at the
Dayton (OH) international airport as I did some years ago, you shut the
airport down. This was in a Piper Dakota, and it took a half hour to move
the plane. One airliner refused to go to another parallel runway some
distance away and sat there for the half hour burning fuel. Wonder what
that cost? It was my Dad's first and last ride with me. The cause of the
blowout was a wheel locking up when brakes were applied to comply with the
controller's request to land short of the intersecting runway. It was
pretty embarassing, but there was no loss of control. I don't expect to have
this problem with my 701 when it's finished. Do not archive. Hap
Schoenberger 701 tail finished, working on the wing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "g t" <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What Walmart tires?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
>
> At least at one time, trailer tires had a stronger side wall construction
due to the load and the bouncing of the load one can get on highways. I do
not know if this is true today anymore, but it would be worth the research
before one tries a trailer tire or a wheelbarrow tire. Others please post
as I will if I find additonal information.
>
> DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON
LANDING?????
>
>
> Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
>
> > From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
>
> > There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light one
> > could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one of
> > these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened you
> > would at least be able to get home.
>
> I've never been able to find a definitive answer to the 'not for hiway
use'
> wheelbarrow tire / trailer tire discussion...but I have a theory that the
> trailer tire tread is 'hardened' in some way that makes it suitable for
long
> hours of high speed running on ashphalt/pavement.
>
> The experience on this list with the original wheelbarrow tires seems to
> bear this out. Those working from grass strips seem to get a lot more use
> from these tires than those running on paved airports.
>
> And when you think of it, our aircraft don't spend enough time on the
ground
> to heat the tires up significantly, so I think it all comes down to load
> capability more than tread wear, especially if you're not always on the
> pavement.
>
> I'd like to get more technical information to affirm or refute my
theory...
> if anyone finds a good 'tire' theory page on the net somewhere???....
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Rehmel" <traveler601@earthlink.net>
Steve,
I have a ZAC pnuematic rivet puller and it hisses also. I have found that
the bolts on it have to be tightened periodically or the hiss will get
louder and when the trigger is pulled it whistles. The low hiss is normal
though.
Bob
> [Original Message]
> From: <caspainhower@aep.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/1/2003 8:43:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> Steve,
> I also have a pnuematic puller from ZAC and it does the same thing.
> I didn't remember if the one I used at the workshop did, but it was
> probably noisy enough I wouldn't have noticed. The bad thing is always
> having to unplug the rivet puller if I don't want the compressor cycling.
> Craig
>
>
>
> "Steve Dixon"
> <dix39@charter.net> To:
<zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent by: cc:
> owner-zenith-list-server@ma Subject:
Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
> tronics.com
>
>
> 05/09/03 08:47 PM
> Please respond to
> zenith-list
>
>
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
>
> I recently bought one of the rivet pullers ZAC sells, and it continually
> leaks a small amount of air through the system. It produces an audible
> hiss as long as it is connected to an air line. In spite of this it seems
> to work just fine. I need to determine if the hiss is normal in which
case
> I can learn to ignore it, or if I should contact ZAC and make arrangements
> to return it before too much time goes by. I previously had one of the
> Harbor Freight pullers which didn't leak at all. Has anyone else had this
> experience with a ZAC puller?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Dixon
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the
> Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole
> use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and
> privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message.
>
>
>
>
>
--- Robert Rehmel
--- traveler601@earthlink.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Does anyone have a source for a composite cowling and nose bowl to fit a
Jabiru 3300? I have the Jabiru nose bowl bits, but have seen complete
molded cowling that was very nice.
Unable to reach either builder by phone or e-mail... ideas?
Hal Rozema
theplanefolks.net
N701PF
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
Hi,
Many thanks to all who responded with information and advice about the ZAC
rivet puller. It sounds like most are like mine, so I'll just use it and
not worry about the hiss.
Steve Dixon
701 rebuild, 0-200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
I had one of these "ZAC" supplied riveters too. It was the kind with the
air cylinder directly in line with the "business end". It never hissed, but
my complaint was that it bounced enough to slightly dent the work on nearly
every rivet set. I bought a cheap one from a "harbor freight" type store,
this one has the air cylinder below the handle, which is set at about 80
degrees to the angle of the riveter head. This one doesn't have the
bouncing action, I find it far preferable?
Jim Frisby
Palmer
AK
>From: "Robert Rehmel" <traveler601@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, caspainhower@aep.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
>Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:9:36 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Rehmel"
><traveler601@earthlink.net>
>
>Steve,
>
>I have a ZAC pnuematic rivet puller and it hisses also. I have found that
>the bolts on it have to be tightened periodically or the hiss will get
>louder and when the trigger is pulled it whistles. The low hiss is normal
>though.
>
>Bob
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <caspainhower@aep.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 6/1/2003 8:43:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > I also have a pnuematic puller from ZAC and it does the same
>thing.
> > I didn't remember if the one I used at the workshop did, but it was
> > probably noisy enough I wouldn't have noticed. The bad thing is always
> > having to unplug the rivet puller if I don't want the compressor
>cycling.
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
>
> > "Steve Dixon"
>
> > <dix39@charter.net> To:
><zenith-list@matronics.com>
>
> > Sent by: cc:
>
> > owner-zenith-list-server@ma Subject:
>Zenith-List: ZAC Pneumatic Rivet Puller
>
> > tronics.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 05/09/03 08:47 PM
>
> > Please respond to
>
> > zenith-list
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
> >
> > I recently bought one of the rivet pullers ZAC sells, and it continually
> > leaks a small amount of air through the system. It produces an audible
> > hiss as long as it is connected to an air line. In spite of this it
>seems
> > to work just fine. I need to determine if the hiss is normal in which
>case
> > I can learn to ignore it, or if I should contact ZAC and make
>arrangements
> > to return it before too much time goes by. I previously had one of the
> > Harbor Freight pullers which didn't leak at all. Has anyone else had
>this
> > experience with a ZAC puller?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve Dixon
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the
> > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole
> > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and
> > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>please
> > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the
>original
> > message.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--- Robert Rehmel
>--- traveler601@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Access and Inspection Panels Updated Text |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I updated photos on the access panels with text explanations of what you're looking
at in the photos. This might be more helpful. Save this link, I will leave
the album posted indefinately. The other link will not have the text.
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b33f528dc4ad¬ag=1
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
I have an HDS with a Cont.0-200 (100hp). I have the prop set for max climb
and only get 100mph. When I set the prop for max cruise I only see 110mph.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
No, the exit is not closed.
Mike
UHS Spinners
Darryl West wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl West <rdwest@shaw.ca>
>
> How does your in-cowl rad and oil cooler work if you closed off the air exit
> in the cowl?
>
> Darryl West
> rdwest@shaw.ca
> http://members.shaw.ca/rdwest/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Austin
> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:43 PM
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith List: Fiberglass Cowling
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
> >
> > Ref request how to make a barn door into a rocket, and still stall at 50
> > mph..
> > Change from HD to HDS. Put rad and oil cooler inside the cowl, Fit
> > home-made wheel spats (only as wide as the forks) to all three legs,
> > home-made fairings for the main gear leg boxes, Spitfire-like wing root
> > fairings that start at the spar and extend 18 inches back along
> > the fuselage
> > beyond the wing trailing edge, close off all holes in the cowl except the
> > original front shark mouth and finally, fit an ARPLAST in-flight
> > adjustable
> > prop. Cruises at 120 mph on 4 gall/hr. Next mod was to be aileron and
> > elevator gap strips (claimed to give 3 or 4 mph) but decided to build
> > something else.
> > What is the stall speed on those glass slippers?
> > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD real world cruise speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> What is your propeller RPM at 100 MPH and at 110 MPH?
100 mph is around 4,000 rpm & 110 is around 4,400 rpm with prop at 15 1/2
deg and the Stratus 2.2:1 reduction.
> What blade length are you using?
My 3 blade warp is 70" (with tapered tips)..
> My engine will be direct drive and I plan on using a warp drive prop.
Havn't
> decided on 2 or 3 blade yet.
FWIW Warp won't even sell me a two blade prop for my 601. The Darrel said I
must use the three blade prop for my engine & plane combo because the two
blades wouldn't have enough surface area to do the job.
Kelly
601 Stratus HD
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| Subject: | What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: g t <wauwis2002@yahoo.com>
> DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR AIRPLANE IF YOU BLOW A TIRE ON
LANDING?????
I have landed on a flat tire before. Thankfully, it wasn't on a wheelbarrow
tire. If it had been it would have trashed the wheels. I got the trailer
tires from Northern and have been much happier with them. They are much
more substantial, and will even support the plane pretty well when flat.
---
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 5/17/2003 9:34:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
zodiacjeff@msn.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
> Opened today's issue of EAA e-HOT LINE and read that eight more pilots have
> been selected to fly their states' flag to FFA as part of the "50 Flags to
> Kitty Hawk" program.
>
> None of the eight are flying homebuilt a/c as part of this centennial
> celebration of the world's first homebuilt. Instead we have a Cessna 172,
> a Mooney, and a Skylane as part of the parade of a/c participating.
>
> Would seem to me that the organization that began its existence with
> interest in homebuilts and whose first name is "Experimental" might want to
> pick some pilots and aircraft that reflect that interest.
>
> Yes, I applied to the program, and no, I wasn't selected to be the
> Pennsylvania pilot; maybe that explains my dissatisfaction. The "roots"
> of EAA (the Chapters) may still grow in the garages and workshops of its
> members, but the national organization seems to be lured by the big money
> of interests like Ford and Eclipse.
>
> My grumpy two-cents worth.jeff
>
>
AMEN to all that. It has turned into the Poberancy's private assoc.
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| Subject: | What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
We use this type of tires in our ultralights (the ones with the lines
"aircraft type").
In fact we use them in the food and ice cream carts we built in our
factory (we buy them here holesale), we always take a tube and a light
pump in Xcountry flights in every UL, and two tires for the group, in
about 6 years that we fly in groups (about 14 to 25 UL's) we had only
two flats and one blown tire... Two hard landings that a plane from the
group had to get back in the trailer, and not for a blown tire, plain
ol pilot error (misjudment) in landing.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S (too BIG tires to fit wheelborrow ones :-)
Gudalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Actually Rick, you did get me thinking here...
>
> I'm rather partial to landing in out of the way places on surfaces
> other
> than tarmac...but only once on a rock runway......601 is so light it
> just
> kinda bounced over the rocks.
>
> It has always concerned me... Like what in the world do ya do if you
> bust a
> tire on one of these little trips 200 miles from civilisation?
>
> There is logic here that says as the wheelbarrow tires are so light
> one
> could carry a spare in the tail behind the seats when heading to one
> of
> these places...Assuming you don't wreck the airframe if it happened
> you
> would at least be able to get home.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick [mailto:rick.pitcher@verizon.net]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What Walmart tires?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" wrote:
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
>
> > --> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> >
> > OK...so I'm sure this has been asked before...Wheelbarrow
> tires...are
> > you
> > nuts?.....:-)
> >
> > Now I got that out the way, I like the idea of the wheelbarrows
> light
> > weight/low cost and the smooth tread looks way cool.
> >
> > So what does load range C mean?...Thinking about it each pair of
> tyres
> > has to withstand potententially cack-handed landings at 1300lbs at
> > about 80mph...so that's 650lbs each.
> >
> > How does this compare to the C range?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Frank
>
> I dunno Frank, I betcha I could get the whole 1300 pounds on ONE
> tire, the
> way I fly ; 0
>
> But seriously... the C range is right around 650 - 700 pounds. I
> talked to
> one of the salesman at "tiresunlimited.com" he said the smoothie
> wheelbarrow
> tire actually had a HIGHER load rating than the C range trailer
> tires. I
> doubt that load rating and durability go hand-in-hand though. He did
> say
> that the wheelbarrow tire was a lot lighter tire with thinner
> sidewalls.
> http://www.tiresunlimited.com/images/carlisle_specialty/smooth.jpg
>
> I already bought a set of the trailer tires from the Greenball
> catalog, but
> I'm thinking of ordering one of these smoothie wheelbarrow tires from
> my
> local tire store at around 10 bucks just to see what it looks like.
>
> I'll let you know ...
>
> Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: inspection covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Larry,
I will be glad to see some photos of your instalation... My Dad just
ordered one for our plane, will be here in June ( I hope). Sorry we
just closed/finished the wings 2 weeks ago :-(
Just the root skin where it will join the lexan roof is clecoed...
well I think the extra work of installing it is worth it.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
--- LARRY BOHANNON <lbohannon1@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LARRY BOHANNON"
> <lbohannon1@msn.com>
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> I'm installing a Lift Reserve Indicator in my 701. The bracket for
> the probe, which is like a pitot tube,comes mounted on a fairly thick
> inspection cover plate. I'm thinking it's probably too thick to
> mount directly to the thinner .016 skin so I probably need to cut it
> off and mount it on a piece of .016 skin "inspection cover" and use
> the thicker cutoff plate as a backing plate. Does anybody know where
> I can find on the internet some info on how to make proper inspection
> covers and backing plates, etc?
>
> Larry Bohannon
> 701
> Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: What Walmart tires? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
There are basically two types of wheels, 2 and 4 ply... we use 4 ply
manufactured here in Mexico and they are very good, we normally land in
grass or dirt, once in a while in a paved strip, they last several
years and cost very little... also easy and fast to change if you think
they are "thin".
Never use the 2 ply in any Zodiac or two place UL (trainer in USA).
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Wayne McIntosh <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh"
> <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com>
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> Before you guys all go out and buy wheelbarrow tires you should know
> this. I
> use 6" wheelbarrow tires on my ultralight. I have had a flat tire
> from
> running over a thorn. They do not last long if I land on paved
> runways and
> If I ever build a 601 I would not use them on it. I use them on my
> ultralight because everything on an ultralight must be light
> otherwise it
> would not fly. Some ultralight pilots use lawn tractor tires but they
> are
> not very well balanced and shimmy a lot. Lawn tractor tires weigh
> more than
> wheelbarrow tires.
> Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What Walmart tires?
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> >
> > OK...so I'm sure this has been asked before...Wheelbarrow
> tires...are you
> > nuts?.....:-)
> >
> > Now I got that out the way, I like the idea of the wheelbarrows
> light
> > weight/low cost and the smooth tread looks way cool.
> >
> > So what does load range C mean?...Thinking about it each pair of
> tyres has
> > to withstand potententially cack-handed landings at 1300lbs at
> about
> > 80mph...so that's 650lbs each.
> >
> > How does this compare to the C range?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick [mailto:rick.pitcher@verizon.net]
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What Walmart tires?
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
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> >
> > Don Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker"
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> > > Hey Frank,
> > > Walmart carries a Carlyle tire that is load range C (70 lbs.
> > > pressure) for $8.95. Of course they are marked "Not for highway
> > > service" or NHS, so you shouldn't land on the highway with them.
> Other
> > > than that they are a bargain. I got my tubes at a tire store.
> Don W.
> >
> > Here's those Carlyle 480-8 wheelbarrow tires. The wheelbarrow tires
> are
> > about 3 or 4 pounds:
> > http://www.tiresunlimited.com/carlisle_wheelbarrow_and_smooth.htm
> > The smooth-tread whelbarrow tire looks pretty cool:
> > http://www.tiresunlimited.com/images/carlisle_specialty/smooth.jpg
> >
> >
> > Here's the Carlyle 480-8 trailer tire. These 6 or 8 pounds each:
> > http://www.tiresunlimited.com/carlisle_usa_trail.htm
> >
> > I just bought some 480-8's from America's Tire Store for about $25
> each.
> > These weigh in at about 6 pounds each. They ordered them out of the
> > Greenball catalog (any tire store should have that catalog)
> > http://www.greenball.com/tires/biastrailer.htm#
> >
> > Rick P.
> > installing tires and wheels tomorrow.
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| Subject: | Re: Where's the "Experimental" in EAA? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "GW" <bossone@cox-internet.com>
I joined the EAA in the '60's and it was a bunch of guys that loved
homebuilt planes. Now the EAA is a money driven PAC (Political Action
Committie) that tries to be all things to all airmen (which it cannot do).
There needs to be seperate Associations for the many hats that EAA is trying
to wear. But, with Sport Pilot coming up the EAA will don yet another hat.
They look sort of ridiculous with some many differnts hats,caps, fedoras on
their head all at once. Tom should have stayed with aerobatics. He does not
have the leadership ability of his father.
Internally the place is a featherbed. They can not even get their
publications out and delivered on time.
GW
----- Original Message -----
From: <Benford2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where's the "Experimental" in EAA?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
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> In a message dated 5/17/2003 9:34:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> zodiacjeff@msn.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> >
> > Opened today's issue of EAA e-HOT LINE and read that eight more pilots
have
> > been selected to fly their states' flag to FFA as part of the "50 Flags
to
> > Kitty Hawk" program.
> >
> > None of the eight are flying homebuilt a/c as part of this centennial
> > celebration of the world's first homebuilt. Instead we have a Cessna
172,
> > a Mooney, and a Skylane as part of the parade of a/c participating.
> >
> > Would seem to me that the organization that began its existence with
> > interest in homebuilts and whose first name is "Experimental" might want
to
> > pick some pilots and aircraft that reflect that interest.
> >
> > Yes, I applied to the program, and no, I wasn't selected to be the
> > Pennsylvania pilot; maybe that explains my dissatisfaction. The
"roots"
> > of EAA (the Chapters) may still grow in the garages and workshops of its
> > members, but the national organization seems to be lured by the big
money
> > of interests like Ford and Eclipse.
> >
> > My grumpy two-cents worth.jeff
> >
> >
>
> AMEN to all that. It has turned into the Poberancy's private assoc.
>
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