---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/20/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Sucking on Fuel (Dr. Perry Morrison) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: Sucking on Fuel (Ed) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: CH801 scratch plans availability (Carlson, Dale) 4. 07:03 AM - Re: 4-point belts... (Grant Corriveau) 5. 07:03 AM - Re: First Flight (Grant Corriveau) 6. 07:26 AM - Ch-300 (Robert Russell) 7. 07:28 AM - Re: Sucking on Fuel (Mike Fothergill) 8. 07:40 AM - Re: 4-point belts... (Hal Rozema) 9. 07:54 AM - Re: Vapour lock? (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 10. 08:01 AM - Re: Fw: Reality Check (Hal Rozema) 11. 08:05 AM - Re: Sucking on Fuel (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 12. 08:11 AM - Re: Sucking on Fuel (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 13. 08:21 AM - HDS project for sale (TCotter2@cs.com) 14. 10:05 AM - Re: Vapour lock? (Ron DeWees) 15. 10:41 AM - Re: Fw: Reality Check (Garrou, Douglas) 16. 10:58 AM - Re: Vapour lock? (Bryan Martin) 17. 11:21 AM - Watsonville Ca - Fly In (Gary Auxier) 18. 11:37 AM - Re: HDS project for sale (Cleone Markwell) 19. 03:09 PM - 4 point belts (Bill Richter) 20. 03:42 PM - Re: 4 point belts (Jeff Small) 21. 05:03 PM - Re: 4 point belts (Gary Gower) 22. 07:04 PM - Re: First Flight (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 23. 07:07 PM - Re: 4-point belts... (Graham Byass) 24. 07:23 PM - Partial 601HDS Kit FOR SALE (Don) 25. 07:46 PM - Partial 601HDS Kit For Sale (Don) 26. 09:47 PM - Re: 4 point belts (Jari Kaija) 27. 09:48 PM - Re: 4-point belts... (Jari Kaija) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:20 AM PST US From: "Dr. Perry Morrison" Subject: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" Frank, Most aircraft will have an engine mounted pump as their primary and will therefore be sucking most of the time. Or do people actually use their electric boost pump all the time? I only use mine for landing/takeoff Perry Morrison > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > I agree with almost all of this except that I think Lower octane fuels > vapourise easier than higher octane fuels.....Notably 87 auto fuel vaporises > much easierthan 100 octane avgas. > > Either way...Don't suck on the fuel!!! > > Frank ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US From: "Ed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" I'm the same as Perry...use electric pumps for takeoff/landing and rest of the time use the engine driven pump. Have taken off with just the engine pump and no difference. Use the electric pumps in flt for tank balance as required. Ed 601hds/lyc ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH801 scratch plans availability From: "Carlson, Dale" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carlson, Dale" Sorry, I don't believe the 801 is available as a scratch built...it is kit only. Dale Carlson CH-801 N128DC -----Original Message----- From: scott heinzerling [mailto:glastar2000@yahoo.com] Subject: Zenith-List: CH801 scratch plans availability --> Zenith-List message posted by: scott heinzerling Does anyone know where I can find the scratch plans for the Zenithair CH801 plane? Scott Heinzerling: near future CH801 scratch builder. Engine of choice: Subie 3.3 litre. __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Chris Heinz published a method for this several years ago in a Newsletter, I think... It involved a heavier gauge angle along the bottom rear edge of the baggage shelf, then using this for anchor points for the shoulder harness... as I recall. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > > Has anyone modifications and plans for 4-point belts? > Our "EAA" requires that kind of belt system for > experimental aircrafts... (since last autumn). > > > -Jari CH701 / Rotax 912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > Chris, > I also have a heavy hds, and it really is a dog in climb. I wonder about your engine/propellor setup... how much horsepower do you have and what rpm are you getting with which propellor/picth? My 'heavy' HDS still climbs at 800 fpm on a 30C day loaded to 1300lbs. At 10,000 feet (and maybe 1100 lbs?) it was still climbing at over 100 fpm... You might want to keep looking into this and not just put it off to a 'draggy airplane'.... fwiw regards, -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:30 AM PST US From: "Robert Russell" Subject: Zenith-List: Ch-300 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Russell" I just bought a partially completed Ch -300 and am interested in talking with other owners as I go about completeing the aircraft . I am sure there is a lot of hindsight out there that would prove valuable . Please feel free to email either directly or through the list . My email is piney@mts.net Thanks ... Bob R ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:16 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi; My Facet boost pump stays on. The only pump failure I have had was the engine pump. They are in parallel and fuel pressure stays at about 4 psi with either or both pumps. Mike UHS Spinners CH-601HDS "Dr. Perry Morrison" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" > > Frank, > > Most aircraft will have an engine mounted pump as their primary and will > therefore be sucking most of the time. > > Or do people actually use their electric boost pump all the time? > I only use mine for landing/takeoff > > Perry Morrison > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > > > > I agree with almost all of this except that I think Lower octane fuels > > vapourise easier than higher octane fuels.....Notably 87 auto fuel > vaporises > > much easierthan 100 octane avgas. > > > > Either way...Don't suck on the fuel!!! > > > > Frank > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:00 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema My own judgment led me to adapt the Zenith supplied 3 point harness to a 4 point arrangement. I added a .090 doubler to the aluminum fuselage top skin with the front edge attached to the last (forward) cross frame at the top of the baggage area. Then an .090 bent piece, rather like the other attachment points with similar harness attachment holes. I bought a pair of "simple" shoulder belts from C.S. Whithey catalogue. These are the type that one can add to plain lap belts for upper body protection. I simply installed them, one for each, pilot and co-pilot. They have slotted hardware bits at the lower end which slip over the male part of the buckle arrangement. Works great. My EAA Tech thought it was a great idea. The added shoulder straps cost less than $20 for the pair. Hal Rozema theplanefolks.net, INC. Phoenix, AZ VSTOL CH701/3300 N701PF Jim Frisby wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > Art Mitchell at flypass has made this mod on at least one CH801 > > >From: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... > >Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:28:08 +0300 05/20/2003 08:28:08 AM > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com > > > >Has anyone modifications and plans for 4-point belts? > >Our "EAA" requires that kind of belt system for > >experimental aircrafts... (since last autumn). > > > > > >-Jari CH701 / Rotax 912 > >------------------------------------------- > >Jari Kaija > >Electronic Designer > >PKC Group Oyj > >Vihikari 10 > >FIN-90440 KEMPELE > >FINLAND > >Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 > >Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 > >TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 > >jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com > >http://www.pkcgroup.com > >http://www.project-ch701.net > >------------------------------------------- > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:51 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Vapour lock? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Hmmm, Well being from the school of KISS....primarily because beng a pilot is not a good time to be fault finding problems, I did this... I have two fuel pumps, one at the outlet of each tank. They both have a separate switch...ON-OFF....both switches are fed from a separate battery (the second batt also runs the second ignition). Both batts are electically isolated by a diode. I only have one on-off valve after the lines tee together. The only reason for the valve is because I thought the FAA guy would probably want one. If it wasn't for that I might even have deleted it. In other words my tank switching is done by switching on and off the pumps...Simple! Frank -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Martin [mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vapour lock? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin --> If the selector is installed at floor level with an extended shaft on the actuator and the fuel pumps are installed on the floor just ahead of it, you should get gravity feed. The wing dihedral puts the bottom of the tanks above the level of the cabin floor, even more so for the outboard tanks. I only have two tanks and use one valve for each. They flow into a tee at the inlet to the gascolater which is mounted on the centerline just ahead of the spar. My two fuel pumps are mounted in parallel on the heel support just ahead of the gascolater. You could connect the two tanks in each wing together as one large tank. Run a line between them at the bottom and top and vent only the outboard tanks. Or you could use a separate valve for each tank and it would still be cheaper and lighter than one of those 4-way valves (Just remember to turn on the tank you're switching to before you turn off the one you're using). :) -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. on 5/19/03 8:10 PM, wizard-24@juno.com at wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > This is what worries me about the way the XL fuel system is now > designed when you have the extended tanks installed. Basically, all > fuel lines run independently to a 4-way fuel selector valve on the > center panel, so the closest to the tanks you can install the pump is > after the selector valve....which is quite a bit away from the tanks > and higher (thus no gravtity feed). The only alternative I suppose > would be to install a separate Facet pump at the outlet of each tank, > which of course adds both cost and weight. Decisions, decisions. :) > > Mike Fortunato advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:00 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Reality Check --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I'm a 701 builder. Ready for engine installation and instrument panel. 525 hours (15 months) thus far from a full kit. We are building in a small downtown condo.. just moved operations off the patio and into the garage in March. I'm an architectural designer working out of home. I researched 6 home built sources for about 5 years before making the decision (Did I want to fly or build for the rest of my life, when starting at age 72) I lurked, reading e-mails about every imaginable problem with these "sources". Zenith was the best without question. Assuming the usual household tool box, I would only recommend a good shop vac and a Dremmel tool. All the thick aluminum cuts that others do via bandsaw, I did with my Dremmel tool very efficiently. If you have a 1/4" electric drill, I'd stick with that. I've tried two cordless, 12V and 14V and they do NOT have the torque or speed of my old heavy Skil drill. The only other things you will need are some various size hole saws, drills, and hand files. I only purchased a small clamp-on vise last month. The plans, photo-manuals (in color, download from web-site), assistance, on time shipping, and phone or e-mail support is superb. Last bit of "wisdom", the closer your project is to your bed, toilet, and dinner table, the quicker work will proceed. Mine is within 20 feet. Hal Rozema theplanefolks.net, INC. VSTOL CH701/3300 N701PF "David J. Dormer" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David J. Dormer" > > Fellow Zenith List Members: > > I am considering buying a Zodiac 601XL kit from Zenith Aircraft. As you might expect, I have a few questions that I would like to ask of the members of this e-list who have had experience building the 601 aircraft. I hope that someone may have the time to answer these questions. > > 1.. To those who are building right now: How good are the instructions/blueprints for the building of the airplane? How many pages are in the construction manual? Are the instructions clear, easy to understand and follow for the first time builder? Realistically, if one works 6-8 hours a day on the weekend how much can really be accomplished? > 2.. How's the delivery time for the kit or for modules of the kit? What is the wait-time for delivery? > 3.. How's the quality of the parts in the kit? > 4.. The Zenith website states that the airplane can be built only with simple hand tools. Is this for real? > > D.J. Dormer > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:49 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Yes and Most will be sucking Avgas and not auto fuel.... I don't have an engine pump so I use the Facets all the time. Take off is the place you want to use your Facet pump because TO is very different to cruise because... 1) Fuel flow is much greater...and pressure through a restriction is proportional to the square of the flowrate...if you double the flow it will be 4 times the suck!...I mean pressure...:) 2) Consider its 35C outside and your plane has been sat on the blacktop outside the FBO...What do u think your fuel temp in your tanks might be? I have known folks who tell me that have seen their fuel in the sight Gauge BOILING when they get in the plane (yes I know it will be hotter in the cockpit due to solar gain thru the canopy)...but its not being sucked on in the tank either. Now you taxi to the run up area...forget the run up...and go full throttle with fuel that is close to boiling and now your giving it a healthy suck through the filter as well.... Note I always scan the design of a homebuilt fuel system on a hot day before accepting a ride from someone! Frank -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Perry Morrison [mailto:prm@softhome.net] Subject: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" --> Frank, Most aircraft will have an engine mounted pump as their primary and will therefore be sucking most of the time. Or do people actually use their electric boost pump all the time? I only use mine for landing/takeoff Perry Morrison > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > I agree with almost all of this except that I think Lower octane fuels > vapourise easier than higher octane fuels.....Notably 87 auto fuel vaporises > much easierthan 100 octane avgas. > > Either way...Don't suck on the fuel!!! > > Frank advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:39 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" At least not yet!......Remember the higher the temp the closer you get to disaster. If your Lycoming is using Avegas you are better off than auto fuel. Also if your filter is After the engine driven pump you have reduced a risk factor. Please guys don't get hung up on these kinds of statements and assume that "Frank is full of it".. ...Few people understand this issue at first and the results can be fatal.. DO NOT HAVE RESTRICTIONS BETWEEN THE TANK AND YOUR FIRST PUMP AND ALWAYS RUN THAT PUMP ON TAKE OFF! End of lecture Frank -----Original Message----- From: Ed [mailto:orion@silcom.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sucking on Fuel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" Have taken off with just the engine pump and no difference. Ed 601hds/lyc advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:55 AM PST US From: TCotter2@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: HDS project for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: TCotter2@cs.com I still have a 601HDS full kit/project for sale in Greenville, SC if anyone is interested in cutting the build time by about 400 hours and saving some money as well. Tim Cotter TCotter2@cs.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:38 AM PST US From: "Ron DeWees" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vapour lock? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" Hi Group. I am at the point of fuel installation and would like to get ideas before committing myself. I have a 601HDS taildragger and Jabiru 3300 motor with mechanical fuel pump. I will use the 8 gallon header tank as the primary tank and two leading edge tanks as back up supply to the header tank. I plan on using one Facet pump on the output side of the "T" fuel selector valve fed from the two wing tanks . The selector valve is mounted on the center console. The fuel line from the pump will go to the top of the header tank to replinish burned fuel, so it will never be directly supplying the motor. Do the same precautions against vapor lock apply to pumping fuel a couple of feet up into another tank? I will have a very accurate gauge on the header tank and plan on switching the facet on to replinish fuel burned. Any problems with this setup? Thanks Ron DeWees ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:34 AM PST US From: "Garrou, Douglas" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fw: Reality Check --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" David: We're building an 801. I can take a crack at two of your questions: 3.. How's the quality of the parts in the kit? It seems quite good to us, with the possible exception of the fiberglass pieces. They seem a little rough to me, although I suppose I'm no expert in how fiberglass kitplane pieces should look. 4.. The Zenith website states that the airplane can be built only with simple hand tools. Is this for real? This is definitely true. We have built much of ours using only hand tools, and there is no question in my mind that we could finish it that way with perfectly acceptable results. HOWEVER I would still vote for getting a good quality compressor and air drill. It's like flying first class, you don't want to go back to coach. We tried doing simultaneous drilling the other day - I had the Dewalt 14.4 and the chief engineer had the air drill - and it was a joke! He was finished in no time. As in flying, there is no substitute for rpm. I had really forgotten how much slower the electric drill was. We also got an air shear and BOY is that a cool tool for cutting aluminum. Wish we had had it earlier. We also got the pneumatic rivet puller and it is definitely useful, although interestingly we find ourselves gravitating back toward the hand puller, particularly when we only have a few to pull. You are going to like building the Zenith. It's a simple airplane designed by somebody who really knows what he is doing. Incidentally, the estimated build time for the 801 seems to be right on the money so far, but we have not tackled the dreaded firewall forward area yet! :) Cheers Doug Garrou Project 801 www.garrou.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:57 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vapour lock? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 5/20/03 1:04 PM, Ron DeWees at rdewees@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi Group. I am at the point of fuel installation and would like to get > ideas before committing myself. I have a 601HDS taildragger and Jabiru 3300 > motor with mechanical fuel pump. I will use the 8 gallon header tank as the > primary tank and two leading edge tanks as back up supply to the header > tank. I plan on using one Facet pump on the output side of the "T" fuel > selector valve fed from the two wing tanks . The selector valve is mounted > on the center console. The fuel line from the pump will go to the top of > the header tank to replinish burned fuel, so it will never be directly > supplying the motor. Do the same precautions against vapor lock apply to > pumping fuel a couple of feet up into another tank? I will have a very > accurate gauge on the header tank and plan on switching the facet on to > replinish fuel burned. Any problems with this setup? > Thanks > Ron DeWees > Sounds like a good plan. If the transfer pump is near the low point of the system you should have reliable flow. Fuel pumps are designed to pump liquid not vapor. If the fuel supply to the pump vaporizes and the vapor enters the pump, the pump effectively stops pumping. Thats vapor lock. As long as the pump is supplied with liquid fuel, vapor lock is not a going to occur. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:04 AM PST US From: Gary Auxier Subject: Zenith-List: Watsonville Ca - Fly In --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Auxier Hello Listeners; Are any 601 / 701 owners planning to attend the Watsonville CA; Fly In with your aircraft this coming weekend? Would like to have an opportunity to meet with you and see your aircraft! Thanks in advance, Gary.Auxier@mci.com 831-772-6222 Pager 800-713-1321 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:16 AM PST US From: Cleone Markwell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS project for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell Tell me more At 11:20 AM 5/20/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: TCotter2@cs.com > >I still have a 601HDS full kit/project for sale in Greenville, SC if anyone >is interested in cutting the build time by about 400 hours and saving some >money as well. > >Tim Cotter >TCotter2@cs.com > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:45 PM PST US From: "Bill Richter" Subject: Zenith-List: 4 point belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Richter" Hi List, have I missed something? Are you saying it is mandatory to have a 4 point seat belt system in the Zodiac 601's? If so "WHY" is it mandatory? Bill HDS 40% Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:57 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4 point belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >Hi List, have I missed something? Are you saying it is mandatory to have a 4 point seat >belt system in the Zodiac 601's? If so "WHY" is it mandatory? The original question dealt with 701s and was from Jari in Iceland or Norway (I believe). do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:03 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4 point belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Yes you missed the e-mail country's last letters of the builder. Remember we are builders from all over the world in this list, we have to speak english, but we have to follow our own country regs. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- Bill Richter wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Richter" > > > Hi List, have I missed something? Are you saying it is mandatory to > have a 4 point seat belt system in the Zodiac 601's? If so "WHY" is > it mandatory? > > Bill > HDS 40% > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:12 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 5/20/2003 10:04:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, grantc@ca.inter.net writes: > I wonder about your engine/propellor setup... how much horsepower do you > have and what rpm are you getting with which propellor/picth? > Continental 0-200 (100hp) turning a 68" Warp Drive (Three Blade) prop @2500rpm climbing out. The prop is set at 10deg as recommended by Duane at Warp drive. > My 'heavy' HDS still climbs at 800 fpm on a 30C day loaded to 1300lbs. At > 10,000 feet (and maybe 1100 lbs?) it was still climbing at over 100 fpm... > Climb at 1300lbs. is 250fpm and at 1090lbs it climbs at 500fpm. > You might want to keep looking into this and not just put it off to a > 'draggy airplane'.... fwiw > Nothing unusual about the airplane that would make me suspicious, other than the fat wig and short wings. > regards, > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 I'm always up for any ideas or comments. Thanks John W. Tarabocchia ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:26 PM PST US From: "Graham Byass" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Byass" Hi Jari I cannot help regards the 701 but I have installed a 4 point belt system to my 601HDS - the main problem with the 601 as I found it was the low position of the shoulder harness fitting to the fuselage side. This could lead to the shoulder strap sliding off the shoulder when you most need it. I can send you more details directly if you think that it could be adapted to the 701 - basically I put reinforcing plates under the parcel shelf and cables (under the shelf) from these back to the rear upper longerons at the back of the shelf. I believe the RV6's have a cable from their upper harness's back to the fuselage longerons so that gave me the idea. Graham Byass Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com Subject: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com Has anyone modifications and plans for 4-point belts? Our "EAA" requires that kind of belt system for experimental aircrafts... (since last autumn). -Jari CH701 / Rotax 912 ------------------------------------------- Jari Kaija Electronic Designer PKC Group Oyj Vihikari 10 FIN-90440 KEMPELE FINLAND Mobile: +358 (0)40 5200265 Phone: +358 (0)201 752252 TeleFax: +358 (0)201 752401 jari.kaija@pkcgroup.com http://www.pkcgroup.com http://www.project-ch701.net ------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:40 PM PST US From: "Don" Subject: Zenith-List: Partial 601HDS Kit FOR SALE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don" =0D =0D =0D Partial Kit FOR SALE =0D (601HDS)=0D =0D PRICE REDUCED=0D =0D $4995.00 Or reasonable Offer.=0D It's VERY REASONABLE at this price=0D =0D =0D Must sell soon.=0D =0D Financial situation has changed.=0D =0D Complete Tail Kit W/flush electric trim tab: (Finished) ............... $1495.00 *****Will sell for: $1195.00*****=0D =0D Wing & Aileron Kit: (Finished skeleton of one wing)...................$4580 00 *****Will sell for: $3995.00*****=0D =0D Total: ..................$ 6075.00 Total: ...................=2E $5195.00 =0D =0D Will sell both for: $4995.00=0D =0D PLUS BOXING & SHIPPING if needed=0D =0D ****** Have a few EXTRA parts I will include ***********=0D =0D I live in Puckett, MS. That's about 25 miles south-east of Jackson, MS.=0D =0D E-mail address: grandpanma@earthlink.net=0D =0D Phone No.: 601-591-1589=0D =0D Sincerely, Donald Vough Jr. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:34 PM PST US From: "Don" Subject: Zenith-List: Partial 601HDS Kit For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don" ************* I don't know if it worked the 1st. time. Just in case, here it is again ********** Partial Kit FOR SALE (601HDS) PRICE REDUCED $4995.00 Or reasonable Offer. It's VERY REASONABLE at this price Must sell soon. Financial situation has changed. Complete Tail Kit W/flush electric trim tab: (Finished) .$1495.00 **Will sell for: $1195.00***** Wing & Aileron Kit: (Finished skeleton of one wing).$4580.00 **Will sell for: $3995.00***** Total: ..................$6075.00 Total:...........$5195.00 Will sell both for: $4995.00 PLUS BOXING & SHIPPING if needed ****** Have a few EXTRA parts I will include *********** I live in Puckett, MS. That's about 25 miles south-east of Jackson, MS. E-mail address: grandpanma@earthlink.net Phone No.: 601-591-1589 Sincerely, Donald Vough Jr. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:08 PM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4 point belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > Hi List, have I missed something? Are you saying > it is mandatory to have a 4 point seat belt system > in the Zodiac 601's? If so "WHY" is it mandatory? Don't panic! :-) It's mandatory only in Finland, for all experimental aircraft types. Something to do with recent accident in here....... -Jari www.jarikaija.com www.project-ch701.net (Spammers! All spam messages will be deleted automatically from server, so, save your miserable time...) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:58 PM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 4-point belts... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > I can send you more details directly if you think that it could be adapted > to the 701 Please do... > - basically I put reinforcing plates under the parcel shelf and > cables (under the shelf) from these back to the rear upper longerons at the > back of the shelf. I had a same kind of idea. But I would like to investigate your modification first. -Jari www.jarikaija.com www.project-ch701.net (Spammers! All spam messages will be deleted automatically from server, so, save your miserable time...)