---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/29/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:02 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UL Propeller Recommendations (Darryl West) 2. 09:27 AM - Brake Line (Don Honabach) 3. 10:07 AM - Re: VDO Fuel Sender & 601XL Fuel Tanks (ac6qj@earthlink.net) 4. 10:30 AM - Re: Brake Line (orion@silcom.com) 5. 11:09 AM - Re: VDO Fuel Sender & 601XL Fuel Tanks (ac6qj@earthlink.net) 6. 11:27 AM - Re: Brake Line (Michel Therrien) 7. 11:43 AM - Re: Brake Line (Michel Therrien) 8. 02:23 PM - This is a Surprise (Scott Laughlin) 9. 02:55 PM - Re: This is a Surprise (Jeff Small) 10. 03:30 PM - Re: This is a Surprise (Michel Therrien) 11. 04:26 PM - Re: This is a Surprise (Michael Murphy) 12. 05:22 PM - Re: Brake Line (Ed) 13. 06:52 PM - Harley-powered airliners..... (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com) 14. 08:07 PM - Re: This is a Surprise (Scott Laughlin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:43 AM PST US From: Darryl West Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UL Propeller Recommendations --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl West Ditto for mine. Darryl West rdwest@shaw.ca http://members.shaw.ca/rdwest/ > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" > > I am happy with my 3 blade 68" Warp Drive prop on my 601HD (912UL). > > Greg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Line From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" I just ordered some additional brake line from ZAC and it came labeled at Pitot/Static line. I then followed up with e-mail to Nick and was told they use the same tubing for both pitot and brake. What worries me is that he mentioned that the tubing is rated at '300PSI working pressure'. I thought the brake line needed to be 2000 or 2500PSI and was just wondering if anyone on the list knew. I've also sent another e-mail to ZAC, but wanted to get all opinions before I go ahead and rivet up these structures and potentially find out I have to replace the tubing right away. Thanks! Don Honabach PC Perfect, LLC 2740 S. Hardy Drive #1 Tempe, AZ 85282 480-966-0772 480-966-9304 fax ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:13 AM PST US From: ac6qj@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VDO Fuel Sender & 601XL Fuel Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net Thanks to all who responded to my query regarding the VDO fuel sender. I decided on going with bending the probe arm 90 degrees and vertically offsetting the mounting of the sender unit to compensate for the offset in the center of rotation of the float sender arm rather than going with a bend greater than 90 degrees. Photos of the sender unit are posted on my web page if anyone is interested. Just click on the link to the "Fuel Sender". -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ================================================================================ Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL SN #601-4939, Jabiru 3300 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Construction - 50% completed ================================================================================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:45 AM PST US From: orion@silcom.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: orion@silcom.com Don. I used plastic/flexible tubing originally and was forever having trouble with the efficiency of the brakes. Changed recently to solid brake lines with flexible ends...and brakes will hold it at 2000rpm. (Lyc0-235) I suspect the flex tubing was expanding rather than transmitting the pressure to the slave cylinders. A lot happier now. fwiw. Ed > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > I just ordered some additional brake line from ZAC and it came labeled > at Pitot/Static line. I then followed up with e-mail to Nick and was > told they use the same tubing for both pitot and brake. > > What worries me is that he mentioned that the tubing is rated at '300PSI > working pressure'. I thought the brake line needed to be 2000 or 2500PSI > and was just wondering if anyone on the list knew. > > I've also sent another e-mail to ZAC, but wanted to get all opinions > before I go ahead and rivet up these structures and potentially find out > I have to replace the tubing right away. > > > Thanks! > > Don Honabach > PC Perfect, LLC > 2740 S. Hardy Drive #1 > Tempe, AZ 85282 > 480-966-0772 > 480-966-9304 fax > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:11 AM PST US From: ac6qj@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VDO Fuel Sender & 601XL Fuel Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: ac6qj@earthlink.net So much for working on the fuel sender without having the tank in the same room. I've now opted for Rico's solution. After walking down to the garage, I discovered that the tank walls are not a flat surface so applying an upward vertical offset to compensate for the offset in the center of rotation of the sender float arm is not an option. Rico's solution of applying a bend of greater than 90 degrees appears to be the way to go. I've updated my web page accordingly... -- Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ================================================================================ Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL SN #601-4939, Jabiru 3300 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Construction - 50% completed ================================================================================ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:29 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Ed, what flexible tubing were you using? Nylaflow or NyloSeal? > (Lyc0-235) I suspect the > flex tubing was expanding rather than transmitting > the pressure to the slave > cylinders. A lot happier now. > fwiw. > Ed ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:20 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien The usual plastic stuff is Nylaflow (1000 psi). There is also Nyloseal which is suitable (2500 psi). In the ACS catalog, they say not to use the 1/4+ diam nyloseal lines for brake tubing however. I installed NyloSeal tubing, but cannot comment on it's performance yet. The 300 or so PSI tubing looks like Polyethylene tubing. --- Don Honabach wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > I just ordered some additional brake line from ZAC > and it came labeled > at Pitot/Static line. I then followed up with e-mail > to Nick and was > told they use the same tubing for both pitot and > brake. > > What worries me is that he mentioned that the tubing > is rated at '300PSI > working pressure'. I thought the brake line needed > to be 2000 or 2500PSI > and was just wondering if anyone on the list knew. > > I've also sent another e-mail to ZAC, but wanted to > get all opinions > before I go ahead and rivet up these structures and > potentially find out > I have to replace the tubing right away. > > > Thanks! > > Don Honabach > PC Perfect, LLC > 2740 S. Hardy Drive #1 > Tempe, AZ 85282 > 480-966-0772 > 480-966-9304 fax > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:13 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow Z-builders: I guess I should have expected it, but it was a surprise to happen upon this site advertising a company selling the Zodiac as a completed airplane to the public. "Hog Air" with a Harley Davidson engine. Check this out: http://www.hog-air.com/ Maybe they are jumping the gun a little on the sport aircraft market. Will Zenair allow this? Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:51 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >site advertising a company selling the Zodiac as a completed airplane to the >public. "Hog Air" with a Harley Davidson engine. >http://www.hog-air.com/ >Maybe they are jumping the gun a little on the sport aircraft market. Will >Zenair allow this? If you want a surprise you should bring up the site and see a picture of your aircraft on it. Hog Air has no permission to use pictures of my a/c and I have no affiliation with this company. I have asked that the picture be removed. As other pictures on the site are "stolen" from ZAC, you might want to check for yours. As the info - "A Zenith XL HD" what is an XL HD, and other items such as pictures of HDS wings, are inaccurate, perhaps this is a ruse. Regards Jeff ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:51 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Well, at least, you have a "pretty one"... I'm surprise that a business like this does'nt have pictures of their own work. Michel do not archive --- Jeff Small wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > > > > > If you want a surprise you should bring up the site > and see a picture of > your aircraft on it. Hog Air has no permission to > use pictures of my a/c > and I have no affiliation with this company. > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:20 PM PST US From: Michael Murphy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Murphy No Thanks!! Personally I'd hate to think that I'm riding a harley and there's no shoulder to pull over. It sounds like a good idea but give me a Rotax. Scott Laughlin wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow Z-builders: I guess I should have expected it, but it was a surprise to happen upon this site advertising a company selling the Zodiac as a completed airplane to the public. "Hog Air" with a Harley Davidson engine. Check this out: http://www.hog-air.com/ Maybe they are jumping the gun a little on the sport aircraft market. Will Zenair allow this? Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com --------------------------------- Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:06 PM PST US From: "Ed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake Line --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" Hi Michel. Can't be sure what it was I used as I threw it all out...I know I used the Poly-flo connections on it. I got it from a local hangar and not thru ACS...sometimes something for nothing is exactly what it's worth! Sorry I can't be more helpful. Ed 601hds/lyc do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:21 PM PST US From: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Harley-powered airliners..... --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com All seroiusness aside, I've joked for many years about a Harley-powered J3 Cub. The Harley engine is basically a dry-sump two-cylinder air-cooled radial with most of its power produced at less than 2800 RPM. (No propeller speed reduction required) Other than the fact that the recently-mentioned web site is stepping on a lot of toes, it still would be interesting to hear one fly by. Wonder if the pilot should wear his "colors." Zed Smith 701/R912 90% there DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:59 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Jeff: It all looks like a joke. If you look at it, there is a business address and phone number. That may be bogus. I still think the folks at ZAC would say something about this if it is for real. Take care, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: This is a Surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >site advertising a company selling the Zodiac as a completed airplane to the >public. "Hog Air" with a Harley Davidson engine. >http://www.hog-air.com/ >Maybe they are jumping the gun a little on the sport aircraft market. Will >Zenair allow this? If you want a surprise you should bring up the site and see a picture of your aircraft on it. Hog Air has no permission to use pictures of my a/c and I have no affiliation with this company. I have asked that the picture be removed. As other pictures on the site are "stolen" from ZAC, you might want to check for yours. As the info - "A Zenith XL HD" what is an XL HD, and other items such as pictures of HDS wings, are inaccurate, perhaps this is a ruse. Regards Jeff