---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/31/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Wanted - Prop for 801 (Rick Campbell) 2. 06:48 AM - 701 doors (Ronnie Koonce) 3. 07:37 AM - Building Question (Bill Richter) 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Building Question (George Swinford) 5. 09:28 AM - Jabiru engine info (Jeff Small) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: 701 doors (Elwood140@aol.com) 7. 10:19 AM - Re: Building Question (Bryan Martin) 8. 10:46 AM - Re: Building Question (Don Honabach) 9. 03:16 PM - Recall on some 601 Elevator Hinge Pins (W.R. \) 10. 07:04 PM - strobe light power supply access (Fred Poor) 11. 11:28 PM - Re: strobe light power supply access (Don Honabach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:54 AM PST US From: Rick Campbell Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted - Prop for 801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Campbell Do any of you good folks have a McCauly IC172EM 7652 prop lying around collecting dust that you would want to part with? Rick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:15 AM PST US From: "Ronnie Koonce" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 doors --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" It is possible to fly with the gull wing doorsopen with no ill effects? It doesn't destroy the doors or spoil the airflow? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:34 AM PST US From: "Bill Richter" Subject: Zenith-List: Building Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Richter" Hi List, has anyone information concerning the possibility of not riveting the fiberglass wing tip on the HDS models, but instead using screws in order to have access to the strobe power supply boxes? I am interested in opinions with regards to this subject. Especially what type of nut could be used to attach to the fiberglass tip. Surely you would not want to use a U-type speed nut because it would create a small bumps under the skin. And if you use an Anchor nut you would still have small bumps under the skin with the attaching plate. The nut would have to be something that is permanently positioned on the backside of the fiberglass tip. Looking forward to your suggestions. Bill 40+% HDS Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:52 AM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Bill: Why not an anchor nut on the underside of the fiberglass tip? Countersink the #3 rivets into the fiberglass and the tip skin will remain smooth. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Richter" Subject: Zenith-List: Building Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Richter" > > Hi List, has anyone information concerning the possibility of not riveting the fiberglass wing tip on the HDS models, but instead using screws in order to have access to the strobe power supply boxes? > I am interested in opinions with regards to this subject. Especially what type of nut could be used to attach to the fiberglass tip. Surely you would not want to use a U-type speed nut because it would create a small bumps under the skin. And if you use an Anchor nut you would still have small bumps under the skin with the attaching plate. The nut would have to be something that is permanently positioned on the backside of the fiberglass tip. > Looking forward to your suggestions. > > Bill 40+% HDS > > Do not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:35 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru engine info --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" For present and possible Jabiru engine enthusiasts: The info is now available on the home factory website; here's the scoop from Leo: ++ The following was excerpted from Jabiru factory April 2003 newsletter. Leo -------------------------------- ++ For those of you who don't know, instead of posting out the Newsletter to hundreds of people every few months we have decided to post it on our website its easy to view and you can print it from the website [www.jabiru.net.au then click on Jaba Chat]. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:39 AM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 doors --> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com In a message dated 5/31/2003 8:48:39 AM Central Daylight Time, rlk@granderiver.net writes: > It is possible to fly with the gull wing doorsopen with no ill effects? It > doesn't destroy the doors or spoil the airflow? > Ronnie, I was advised by Nick Heintz that it is not advisable to fly the airplane with the doors open. Doors removed, ok. Larry Wood Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:42 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 5/31/03 10:33 AM, Bill Richter at wrichter@aristotle.net wrote: > Hi List, has anyone information concerning the possibility of not riveting the > fiberglass wing tip on the HDS models, but instead using screws in order to > have access to the strobe power supply boxes? Nutserts or rivnuts in the fiberglass? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Building Question From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" Bill, There are nut plates (Click Bond Fasteners - pg. 103 on 2003 ACS catalog) that use glue to attach instead of rivets and were designed for exactly what you want to do. A bit expensive though - around $5 a piece. With that said, I would put the strobe power box at the center/outboard wing junction point instead for easier maintenance/inspection and the lights can be changed by unscrewing the screw that holds the strobe/light combo together. Regards, Don Honabach Tempe, AZ - 601HDS -----Original Message----- From: Bill Richter [mailto:wrichter@aristotle.net] Subject: Zenith-List: Building Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Richter" --> Hi List, has anyone information concerning the possibility of not riveting the fiberglass wing tip on the HDS models, but instead using screws in order to have access to the strobe power supply boxes? I am interested in opinions with regards to this subject. Especially what type of nut could be used to attach to the fiberglass tip. Surely you would not want to use a U-type speed nut because it would create a small bumps under the skin. And if you use an Anchor nut you would still have small bumps under the skin with the attaching plate. The nut would have to be something that is permanently positioned on the backside of the fiberglass tip. Looking forward to your suggestions. Bill 40+% HDS Do not Archive direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:12 PM PST US From: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Recall on some 601 Elevator Hinge Pins --> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" I just noticed this in the builders section at zenithair.com. Seems a vendor substituted aluminum pins for the stainless steel ones that are spec. Here's a quote: It was recently discovered that several batches of piano hinges (for the 6 ft. elevator hinge 6T2-5) were supplied with aluminum hinge pins, despite being labeled stainless steel (s/s). The elevator hinge requires that a stainless steel pin be used, and the supplier has agreed to drop ship replacement stainless steel pins to all builders who took delivery of a kit (with the elevator) between January 2002 and April 2003. /End Quote/ Here's the link to the notice http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/data/601-hinge-pin.pdf This link is a PDF document thatb shows how to test to see which you have and a form to get a replacement. -- Gig Giacona Visit my 601XL site at: www.peoamerica.net/N601WR ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:10 PM PST US From: Fred Poor Subject: Zenith-List: strobe light power supply access --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor I am doing the following on my XL-- mounting the power supply on the forward side of the outbd spar tip assy-- access would be through the fiberglass wing tip EXCEPT I'm building mine out of aluminum. Puting in an oval access panel in "what would be the fiberglass wingtip"--- the reson for it being oval, is so I can mount the nutplates ON THE PANEL, install the panel UNDER the skin and secure with screws----- my reason for this approach is: " I can bring the panel home to change nutplates, if one should go bad"------------ I'd never use the "glue on type"--- "fred" do not archive __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: strobe light power supply access From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" Fred, >> I'd never use the "glue on type"--- Just keep in mind that many planes flying today are held together with 'glue' :) Don -----Original Message----- From: Fred Poor [mailto:fredspoor2002@yahoo.com] Subject: Zenith-List: strobe light power supply access --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor I am doing the following on my XL-- mounting the power supply on the forward side of the outbd spar tip assy-- access would be through the fiberglass wing tip EXCEPT I'm building mine out of aluminum. Puting in an oval access panel in "what would be the fiberglass wingtip"--- the reson for it being oval, is so I can mount the nutplates ON THE PANEL, install the panel UNDER the skin and secure with screws----- my reason for this approach is: " I can bring the panel home to change nutplates, if one should go bad"------------ I'd never use the "glue on type"--- "fred" do not archive __________________________________ direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.