---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/13/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Sight tube leak (RFG842@aol.com) 2. 05:23 AM - Jabiru 3300 engine for sale (skyshop) 3. 07:41 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale (Gary Gower) 4. 08:24 AM - Re: bending leading edge skin (Grant Corriveau) 5. 08:24 AM - Engine for the 640/801? (Grant Corriveau) 6. 08:30 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale (Grant Corriveau) 7. 08:37 AM - Re: bending leading edge skin (Scott Laughlin) 8. 08:57 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale (skyshop) 9. 09:51 AM - Re: Engine for the 640/801? (Morgan Wadsworth) 10. 10:50 AM - Re: Engine for the 640/801? (BRIANG@flash.net) 11. 11:34 AM - Re: Engine for the 640/801? (Cy Galley) 12. 07:13 PM - Re: Comp Air 7 Crash in Angleton, Texas (H. Robert Schoenberger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:24 AM PST US From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Sight tube leak --> Zenith-List message posted by: RFG842@aol.com Goyt to thinking abut the post from the gentleman who had a sight tube break and wound up with a cockpit full of gas, thankfully on the ground. On my header tank I used a 2" 3/8" dia nipple out of the tank, the gas shut off valve, another nipple and then a "T". On one end of the T goes to the gasolater and the other end of the T is reduced to a 1/4" line to the sight tube. When I shut off the gas it also shuts off the bottom line of the sight tube. Bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:14 AM PST US From: "skyshop" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skyshop" Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). The engine has full warranty supplied by Jabiru. Location: Palm City, Florida. Purchaser responsible for all packing and shipping costs from our location. Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). At e-bay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419410246 or http://skyshops.org/jabiru.htm Danny --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:29 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Danny, Is there any valid reason (about the engine), that the owner didnt used it in his 601XL? Why is he selling it new? Why he changed his mind? Saludos Gary Gower. --- skyshop wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skyshop" > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came > off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). The > engine > has full warranty supplied by Jabiru. Location: Palm City, Florida. > Purchaser responsible for all packing and shipping costs from our > location. > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came > off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). > At e-bay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419410246 > or http://skyshops.org/jabiru.htm > Danny > > --- > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: bending leading edge skin From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau I remade one of my le skins after changing to LE fuel tanks and didn't find the missing pre-bend to be a problem. I just took extra care with the straps and maybe a shim here and there between the skin and the strap, to make sure I got a good fit. Maybe I used an extra strap as well to get more even pressure. Anyways, the job was no big deal, as you can tell --- I don't even recall the specific details except to say -- the prebend isn't necessary if you've already done the job once and know what to look out for. fwiw, -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > ...Does anybody have a suggestion as to > making the bend in the new skin? I don't think I need the full 90 degree > bend, just enough to get a nice curve when I strap it down and drill and > cleco. > > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL, still doing wings ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau If anyone on the list is building the bigger aircraft and still looking for engine ideas, then this thread on the Matronics engine list may be of interest. Too bad the rotary is too heavy/powerful for the smaller 601s.. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > Mazda is coming out with a new version of the 13B. In its stock config it > will put out....what was it..... about 250+ HP. Racing Beat in Los Angeles > was going to develop a rotary engine for aircraft but after hearing about > Mazda's new engine they stopped until it will be available.....this year? > > At 06:26 PM 6/11/03 -0600, you wrote: > >--> Engines-List message posted by: John Burns ... > >Sales pitch for the 13B: > >I think the Mazda engine has a following because it has fewer moving parts > >than a piston engine, puts out more H.P. per liter, and it can compete with > >the 0-360 (weight and power). Oh, the most important reason from my > >perspective: it seems more reasonable to trust an automobile engine > >conversion with 2 rotors spinning at 1833 RPM (eccentric shaft RPM = 5500), > >than trusting 6 pistons doing 5500 round trips for the same RPM. > > > >I've been considering the 13B for a year and reading a lot of material. > >However, I'm not convinced I'll get it flying in the foreseeable future > >(although other builders have made it easier for the rest of us by offering > >engine mounts, reduction drives, ECU ...). > > > >Even if I don't go for it (the 13B installation), I'll always be intrigued > >with the idea. BTW, if a FWF package was offered at Eggenfellner Subaru > >prices, I would have already submitted my order! > > > >As for a Ford V-6 under the cowl, I'd be hearing ghost noises every time the > >wheels left the ground - that'd be a joy killer. > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Why is the engine for sale? > From: "skyshop" > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:22:35 -0400 > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skyshop" > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). The engine > has full warranty supplied by Jabiru. Location: Palm City, Florida. > Purchaser responsible for all packing and shipping costs from our > location. > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). > At e-bay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419410246 > or http://skyshops.org/jabiru.htm > Danny > > --- > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:26 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: bending leading edge skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Grant: It appears to me that the 601 leading edges are more narrow than the HDs wings. I just completed a few of my wing tip ribs and they seem to be more narrow than what I've seen for the earlier 601 models. Paul may have a little more trouble making the tighter bend without a pre-bend on the 601XL wings. I'm not there yet, but this is what it looks like to me. Scott Laughlin 601XL Plans www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Grant Corriveau Subject: Re: Zenith-List: bending leading edge skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau I remade one of my le skins after changing to LE fuel tanks and didn't find the missing pre-bend to be a problem. I just took extra care with the straps and maybe a shim here and there between the skin and the strap, to make sure I got a good fit. Maybe I used an extra strap as well to get more even pressure. Anyways, the job was no big deal, as you can tell --- I don't even recall the specific details except to say -- the prebend isn't necessary if you've already done the job once and know what to look out for. fwiw, -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > ...Does anybody have a suggestion as to > making the bend in the new skin? I don't think I need the full 90 degree > bend, just enough to get a nice curve when I strap it down and drill and > cleco. > > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL, still doing wings ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:19 AM PST US From: "skyshop" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skyshop" Grant, Engine was pulled from aircraft as it was nearing completion because of non-compliant contractual agreement. Danny -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Why is the engine for sale? > From: "skyshop" > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:22:35 -0400 > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 engine for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "skyshop" > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). The engine > has full warranty supplied by Jabiru. Location: Palm City, Florida. > Purchaser responsible for all packing and shipping costs from our > location. > > Jabiru 3300 engine, including propeller, engine mount, and firewall > forward package supplied by Jabiru (specifically for CH 601XL) came off > a Zenith CH601XL. The aircraft engine was run for less than 1/2 hour > before it was removed from aircraft (engine was never flown). > At e-bay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419410246 > or http://skyshops.org/jabiru.htm > Danny > > --- > > > > > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:43 AM PST US From: "Morgan Wadsworth" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Morgan Wadsworth" I've posted this URL before but it's definitely worth going back from time to time and seeing the new products and options that they are offering: http://www.rotaryaviation.com, there is talk about the fine people here offering in the not so far off future a "fire wall forward" package. Check out the site, and you'll get all the information you can ever need or want about flying Mazda rotary's. Take care, Morgan IV -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau If anyone on the list is building the bigger aircraft and still looking for engine ideas, then this thread on the Matronics engine list may be of interest. Too bad the rotary is too heavy/powerful for the smaller 601s.. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > Mazda is coming out with a new version of the 13B. In its stock config it > will put out....what was it..... about 250+ HP. Racing Beat in Los Angeles > was going to develop a rotary engine for aircraft but after hearing about > Mazda's new engine they stopped until it will be available.....this year? > > At 06:26 PM 6/11/03 -0600, you wrote: > >--> Engines-List message posted by: John Burns ... > >Sales pitch for the 13B: > >I think the Mazda engine has a following because it has fewer moving parts > >than a piston engine, puts out more H.P. per liter, and it can compete with > >the 0-360 (weight and power). Oh, the most important reason from my > >perspective: it seems more reasonable to trust an automobile engine > >conversion with 2 rotors spinning at 1833 RPM (eccentric shaft RPM 5500), > >than trusting 6 pistons doing 5500 round trips for the same RPM. > > > >I've been considering the 13B for a year and reading a lot of material. > >However, I'm not convinced I'll get it flying in the foreseeable future > >(although other builders have made it easier for the rest of us by offering > >engine mounts, reduction drives, ECU ...). > > > >Even if I don't go for it (the 13B installation), I'll always be intrigued > >with the idea. BTW, if a FWF package was offered at Eggenfellner Subaru > >prices, I would have already submitted my order! > > > >As for a Ford V-6 under the cowl, I'd be hearing ghost noises every time the > >wheels left the ground - that'd be a joy killer. > > > > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:16 AM PST US From: BRIANG@flash.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? --> Zenith-List message posted by: BRIANG@flash.net For those on the list that are interested in rotary engines check out www.freedom-motors.com. They are a small company which is just now selling 75hp and 150hp rotary engines that they have had under development for about 5 years. Unfortunately, they (freedom-motors) are not licensed to sell the engines for aircraft use as their parent (?) company (moller) has retained those rights (they are working on a VTOL "skycar" which uses these engines). Too bad as these engines would probably be great for light aircraft use (high hp/weight, small form factor, burns just about any fuel, "soft" failure mode, etc.). Having been a rotary engine fan for over 20 years I will be keeping my eye on these engines. Brian Graham 601XL in progress (tail complete) --- Original Message --- From: Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > >If anyone on the list is building the bigger aircraft and still looking for >engine ideas, then this thread on the Matronics engine list may be of >interest. Too bad the rotary is too heavy/powerful for the smaller 601s.. > >-- >Grant Corriveau >C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > >> --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > >> >> Mazda is coming out with a new version of the 13B. In its stock config it >> will put out....what was it..... about 250+ HP. Racing Beat in Los Angeles >> was going to develop a rotary engine for aircraft but after hearing about >> Mazda's new engine they stopped until it will be available.....this year? >> >> At 06:26 PM 6/11/03 -0600, you wrote: >> >--> Engines-List message posted by: John Burns >... >> >Sales pitch for the 13B: >> >I think the Mazda engine has a following because it has fewer moving parts >> >than a piston engine, puts out more H.P. per liter, and it can compete with >> >the 0-360 (weight and power). Oh, the most important reason from my >> >perspective: it seems more reasonable to trust an automobile engine >> >conversion with 2 rotors spinning at 1833 RPM (eccentric shaft RPM = 5500), >> >than trusting 6 pistons doing 5500 round trips for the same RPM. >> > >> >I've been considering the 13B for a year and reading a lot of material. >> >However, I'm not convinced I'll get it flying in the foreseeable future >> >(although other builders have made it easier for the rest of us by offering >> >engine mounts, reduction drives, ECU ...). >> > >> >Even if I don't go for it (the 13B installation), I'll always be intrigued >> >with the idea. BTW, if a FWF package was offered at Eggenfellner Subaru >> >prices, I would have already submitted my order! >> > >> >As for a Ford V-6 under the cowl, I'd be hearing ghost noises every time the >> >wheels left the ground - that'd be a joy killer. >> > >> > >> >> Scott Bilinski >> Eng dept 305 >> Phone (858) 657-2536 >> Pager (858) 502-5190 > > >_- ====================================================== ================ Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== ================ latest messages. List members. >_- ====================================================== ================ http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== ================ > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:46 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Do you know how to spell SCAM? Moller has promised much but delivered little in the last decade or two. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: BRIANG@flash.net > > For those on the list that are interested in rotary > engines check out www.freedom-motors.com. They are a > small company which is just now selling 75hp and > 150hp rotary engines that they have had under > development for about 5 years. Unfortunately, they > (freedom-motors) are not licensed to sell the engines > for aircraft use as their parent (?) company (moller) > has retained those rights (they are working on a > VTOL "skycar" which uses these engines). Too bad as > these engines would probably be great for light > aircraft use (high hp/weight, small form factor, > burns just about any fuel, "soft" failure mode, > etc.). Having been a rotary engine fan for over 20 > years I will be keeping my eye on these engines. > > Brian Graham > 601XL in progress (tail complete) > > --- Original Message --- > From: Grant Corriveau > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Engine for the 640/801? > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > > > >If anyone on the list is building the bigger > aircraft and still looking for > >engine ideas, then this thread on the Matronics > engine list may be of > >interest. Too bad the rotary is too heavy/powerful > for the smaller 601s.. > > > >-- > >Grant Corriveau > >C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > > > > >> --> Engines-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > >> > >> Mazda is coming out with a new version of the 13B. > In its stock config it > >> will put out....what was it..... about 250+ HP. > Racing Beat in Los Angeles > >> was going to develop a rotary engine for aircraft > but after hearing about > >> Mazda's new engine they stopped until it will be > available.....this year? > >> > >> At 06:26 PM 6/11/03 -0600, you wrote: > >> >--> Engines-List message posted by: John Burns > > >... > >> >Sales pitch for the 13B: > >> >I think the Mazda engine has a following because > it has fewer moving parts > >> >than a piston engine, puts out more H.P. per > liter, and it can compete with > >> >the 0-360 (weight and power). Oh, the most > important reason from my > >> >perspective: it seems more reasonable to trust an > automobile engine > >> >conversion with 2 rotors spinning at 1833 RPM > (eccentric shaft RPM = 5500), > >> >than trusting 6 pistons doing 5500 round trips > for the same RPM. > >> > > >> >I've been considering the 13B for a year and > reading a lot of material. > >> >However, I'm not convinced I'll get it flying in > the foreseeable future > >> >(although other builders have made it easier for > the rest of us by offering > >> >engine mounts, reduction drives, ECU ...). > >> > > >> >Even if I don't go for it (the 13B installation), > I'll always be intrigued > >> >with the idea. BTW, if a FWF package was offered > at Eggenfellner Subaru > >> >prices, I would have already submitted my order! > >> > > >> >As for a Ford V-6 under the cowl, I'd be hearing > ghost noises every time the > >> >wheels left the ground - that'd be a joy killer. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Scott Bilinski > >> Eng dept 305 > >> Phone (858) 657-2536 > >> Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > > >_- > ====================================================== > ================ > Contributions > any other > Forums. > >_- > ====================================================== > ================ > latest messages. > List members. > >_- > ====================================================== > ================ > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > list > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > >_- > ====================================================== > ================ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:45 PM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Comp Air 7 Crash in Angleton, Texas --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" What has this got to do with building Zenith aircraft?? Do not archive. Hap Schoenberger 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Kintz" Subject: Zenith-List: Comp Air 7 Crash in Angleton, Texas > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joseph Kintz > > The following excerpts are from this morning's edition of The Facts newspaper > of Brazoria County, Texas: > > "Stephen Naypaver, 63, was killed instantly when his experimental plane > exploded after nose diving into the ground at the Brazoria County Airport, just > south of the Dow hanger. Louis Jones, director of aviation at the airport, > >