---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/14/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:20 AM - 701 Bubble Doors (RURUNY@aol.com) 2. 06:46 AM - test (Michel Therrien) 3. 10:05 AM - Hello and 601HD wing skin (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 4. 10:45 AM - BULLETIN: SCHNEIDER CUP UPDATE (Chip W. Erwin) 5. 11:22 AM - [ Chris Weber ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 6. 04:40 PM - Re: Hello and 601HD wing skin (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 7. 06:40 PM - Re: Hello and 601HD wing skin (Michel Therrien) 8. 06:52 PM - Re: Hello and 601HD wing skin (Darryl West) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:42 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Bubble Doors --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Looking at the Jabiru engine at the Skyshops site I stumbled upon the Bubble doors for the 701. Has any 701 builders seen these up close. I was considering making 2 sets of doors,One set standard and one all lexan. I might make the all lexan ones and purchace these. Its great to see Skyshop doing this type of stuff. http://skyshops.org/doors%20701.htm Brian Long Island NY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:44 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: test --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien do not archive ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:15 AM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Hello and 601HD wing skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Hello list members; I am a new member and would normally lurk but have a question. A quick Bio. My name is Sal Capra, 46 yrs old, married w/children....oops child just married one off. I live in Lakeland FL and have a 1946 Aeronca Champ I love and fly. I like a good project and enjoy the wrenching as much as the flying. Just purchased a 601HD that is/was flying. Its a 2001 912-80hp w/103 hours N-826W . Its on the factory website, library #41 "another new Yellow Zodiac" I purchased the plane with the intention of repainting the plane (for sure) and I was "thinking" of reskining the top surface of the wings. The wings are oil caning and the skin is loose. As I understand it the material used with the kit was .016 and from talking to the factory I was thinking of using .025 since I guess this is what is used on the XL now. Keep in mind if there is a easyer fix I am all for it :) I even though of replacing the stiffners with ribs. I guess this is something that can happen when installing the sheet metal. So far I am on the fence......leave them loose and oil caning as one friend suggested and just paint it ....or..... buy new wings and everything in between Any thoughts from some of you that have been here? Thanks Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:08 AM PST US From: "Chip W. Erwin" Subject: Zenith-List: BULLETIN: SCHNEIDER CUP UPDATE --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" Greetings from sunny Italy. Today was the first race of the Piccola Schneider Cup. For those who don't know, it is a seaplane race similar to the famous seaplane races starting about 75 years ago which lead to considerable advancements in aviation. Now we race with European Ultralight class aircraft. The limits are basically UL approval in some European country, and landing and taking off from the water. The UL float aircraft rule in Italy apply which means 65 kph stall speed and 500kg max gross weight. I am racing the Zenair CH601XL with the Rotax 100hp and a new 2-blade carbon, in-flight adjustable, and REVERSING prop made by Woodcomp in the Czech Republic. And, of course, 1150 amphib floats made by Czech Aircraft Works. We have already received Czech certification of the 601XL as well as PFA approval in Great Britain so it is an ultralight this side of the pond. I was in Italy last weekend for an airshow in Ozzano and planned to stay the entire week rather than fly across the Alps 2 extra times (at altitudes up to 10,000 feet). But my wife had other plans as her water broke Wednesday. So I flew the 601XL to the nearest commercial airport in Milan and made one quick commercial flight back to Prague to watch my son being born. Wife and baby are just fine, and now I am back to the races. Several competitors failed to make it to the show (as I have said before, getting here can be just as challenging as racing). So we only have 5 competitors. We are now match-racing 2 aircraft at a time. The Zenair CH601XL appears to be the fastest aircraft by a small margin and I have won my first 2 heats. We have 6 more races tomorrow which will determine the winner. Watch this space. Caio, CHIP Chip W. Erwin CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O. Manufacturer of Sport Aircraft & Aircraft Floats Lucn 1824, 686 02 Star Mesto, Czech Republic Tel: +420 572 543 456 Fax: +420 572 543 692 USA Fax: (772) 264 0936 Mobile Tel: (420) 602 342 717 E-mail: aircraft@czaw.cz www.airplane.cz ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: [ Chris Weber ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Zenith-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Chris Weber Subject: Zodiac 601 HD Special Gullwing Doors http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/chrisoz@gmx.net.06.14.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:31 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hello and 601HD wing skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: In a message dated 6/14/03 10:06:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, CBRxxDRV@aol.com writes: > The wings are oil caning and the skin is loose. > As I understand it the material used with the kit was .016 and from > talking to the factory I was thinking of using .025 since I don;t have my pans with me, but if I remember rght the top skins on the HD and the HDS wings are .025, and the bottom skins are point .016. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me! Steve Freeman ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:36 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hello and 601HD wing skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien On the HD, the nose skin is .025. For the outboard wings, the rear skins are .016. I tried .020 aluminum on the rear top fuselage (my supplier ran out of .016 when I bought that sheet) and I like how it is very much. Much better feel than with the .016 skin. However, there is 25% weight penalty for going from .016 to .020. Michel PS: Updated my web site with pictures and explanation of fiberglass cowling and de-molding process. I now need to make the air intake openings and would appreciate any guidelines on doing this. --- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ... > I don;t have my pans with me, but if I remember rght > the top skins on the HD > and the HDS wings are .025, and the bottom skins are > point .016. I'm sure if > I'm wrong someone will correct me! ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:23 PM PST US From: Darryl West Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hello and 601HD wing skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Darryl West From my memory only: forward of spar (top & bottom) = .025" aft of spar (top & bottom) = .016" FWIW, mine is built as above per Zenair standards for 601HD, and do not "oil can". I have not seen your skins in action, but I probably would not change them to a thicker gauge. Excess weight is the enemy. Darryl West rdwest@shaw.ca http://members.shaw.ca/rdwest/ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:39 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hello and 601HD wing skin > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > In a message dated 6/14/03 10:06:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > CBRxxDRV@aol.com writes: > > > The wings are oil caning and the skin is loose. > > As I understand it the material used with the kit was .016 and from > > talking to the factory I was thinking of using .025 since > > I don;t have my pans with me, but if I remember rght the top > skins on the HD > and the HDS wings are .025, and the bottom skins are point .016. > I'm sure if > I'm wrong someone will correct me! > > Steve Freeman >