---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/25/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: What about dual sticks? (Graham Byass) 2. 02:55 AM - Re: 912S Hard Starting (Phil & Michele Miller) 3. 03:34 AM - Re: 912S Hard Starting (Phil & Michele Miller) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: 601HD Joy Stick (H. Robert Schoenberger) 5. 08:02 AM - Re: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel (Gary Gower) 6. 09:12 AM - Re: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel (Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc.) 7. 10:22 AM - Grounding gas tanks (Leo J. Corbalis) 8. 10:43 AM - Re: PDA's (CLOJAN@aol.com) 9. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: VW (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 10. 01:47 PM - KAWO - Arlington, who's going? (royt.or@netzero.com) 11. 04:09 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 06/24/03 (Greg P Jannakos) 12. 04:41 PM - Re: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel (Gary Gower) 13. 04:46 PM - Re: PDA's (Gary Gower) 14. 05:56 PM - Ross re-drive (dave thomas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:17 AM PST US From: "Graham Byass" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What about dual sticks? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Byass" Gig There are at least two different designs for dual sticks - I have installed dual sticks in my 601 with a few additional mods of my own so it can be don quite easily. Graham Byass Perth, Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gig Subject: Zenith-List: What about dual sticks? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig I've seen mods that had dual sticks instead of the "Y" stick and have thought about it as I intend to do light IFR and having my right hand available would be nice. Not that I have a problem with the "Y". As a matter of fact I kind of liked it during my demo ride. I just think for IFR dual sticks and a center mounted throttle would work better. Does anyone have any plans for dual stick mods avaialble. Gig Giacona http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Tail- Finished Right Wing- Under Construction ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:10 AM PST US From: "Phil & Michele Miller" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" Nah, can't be bothered with that, Don. After all the pain to get this far, it should be a snap to just solve the problem of how to fly without a prop. Cheers, Phil M -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Honabach Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" I thought on earlier thread that you mentioned hooking directly from the battery to the starter with a good guage of wire (4 or 2GA) and that didn't help. Could it be that your starter is marginal/bad? As a side note, you could also just change the POH - Cold Weather Starting - Remove Prop - Start Engine - Get a cup of coffee - Go to the bathroom and read latest Kit Planes - Stop Engine - Install Prop - Go Fly Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Peter [mailto:peterd@metec.co.nz] Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter" Hi Phil Unloading the starter motor by removing the prop. has prompted me to respond. (Some questions arise which may have already been answered earlier) So for my contribution (FWIW): I understand that starting of the 912S is very specific on the minimum crankshaft RPM during start. All this comes from that starter motor which very much depends on your electrical system. Just how far is the battery located from the starter motor in terms of return cable run ? What is the starter motor cable size ? How good are the cable terminations - do they get warm to touch after a few cranking attempts ? Did you use the ROTAX starter contactor supplied with the 912S ? Is there any other contactor or relay in the high current starting circuit ? Is your battery new and have you checked its discharge performance ? (I understand that a larger capacity starter motor is available for the 912S) Cheers Peter Dunning Wellington, NZ. CH601HD/912S/6-3884 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil & Michele Miller Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" Dave, You guys are GREAT!! I've knocked back just about every suggestion that has been made because I've already tried them yet you STILL keep trying to help. You are all bloody fantastic. Now I think I have some (good???) news. A few people have queried whether or not the problem may be with the prop. I have always assumed not since it is the 3-blade Warp Drive as recommended by ZAC. Finally, after trying everything else, I pulled the prop off tonight. I didn't have another prop to fit and I know it's not recommended to run the engine without a prop because of the risk of overspeeding. I removed the throttle springs which cause the default to full throttle in the event of a cable breakage. I kept one hand firmly on the throttle to ensure it stayed closed. I hit the starter button with my hand ready to chop the mags if anything went awry. I'm sure you will realise by now that the engine started in an instant. I stopped and retried starting 4 times and it fired very easily every time. You won't believe what a great feeling it was; I'm still on a high. My problem now is to understand what this means. Any takers???? Cheers, Phil Miller New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Austin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" One last try, Phil. You seem to have done good diagnostic work. Is the key on the crankshaft loose, letting the timing wander on cranking? Is it possible you have a leak from one plug wire (cylinder) to another, causing the kickback? Can't think of anything else! Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:33 AM PST US From: "Phil & Michele Miller" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" Peter, Yes, most of those questions have been answered. The power supply to the starter is ok and this is confirmed by measuring voltage drop, current draw, etc. Nothing gets hot. All 912 and 912S motors require a minimum of 220rpm to generate a spark. My engine cranking speed is 285rpm with mags off. I'd like to see a bit more. I may have to try to get hold of a new starter motor to test. Unfortunately it seems you have to remove the complete engine from the mount in order to remove the starter motor. One tube of the engine mount passes close behind the starter preventing removal (now there's a bit of smart design - NOT!!). At this stage I don't know whether the problem is with the starter or the prop. Cheers, Phil Miller New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Hard Starting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter" Hi Phil Unloading the starter motor by removing the prop. has prompted me to respond. (Some questions arise which may have already been answered earlier) So for my contribution (FWIW): I understand that starting of the 912S is very specific on the minimum crankshaft RPM during start. All this comes from that starter motor which very much depends on your electrical system. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:59 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HD Joy Stick --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . . I recently read a fiction book with a title something like Flight of the Hornet (can't find the book to check the exact title). Anyway, the action occurred in Europe just before WW II, and the two young people got a plane from the Tiger Moth family up and running to escape. The author mentioned that the plane has a Y yoke in the middle so this apparently isn't something recent. Even though fiction, it must have some fact behind it as that wouldn't be something an unknowledgeable writer would think up. So what goes around, comes around. My brother in law came up from Florida for a week to help me work on the wing. What a wonderful feeling to see some substantial progress instead of 1 or 2 hours at a time. Hap Schoenberger 701 tail completed and right wing 80% Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Perry Morrison" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HD Joy Stick > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" > > Depends whether you're making an aesthetic decision or a functional one. > A lot of people look at the Y stick and think "that's not like a real plane, > I'd change that". But in terms of function it actually works extremely well. > I've flown 2 aircraft with centre sticks- the Jabiru and the venerable > thruster ultralight. Both do not have the "falling to hand" that the Y stick > does. Consider that most side stick controllers are canted to the left to > match the natural angle of the forearm and wrist. The Y is very comfortable > that way. Dual is really nice. Finger tip flying is very comfortable. > > Of course you could rig dual control "lap sticks" a la RV-6 but for me the > effort would not be worth it. > > After I while I couldn't give a hoot what other people think. Heck they probably > hate the colour scheme or wheels or whatever. It's just fun to fly and that's the > whole point. > > Perry Morrison > > > CBRxxDRV@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > > I have always thought I would like to do away with the "Y" stick > on the 601 and since I ordered my RAC grip have been thinking > of starting on this. Any pointers, ideas or guidence? Length or > angle. I was looking at it yesterday and thought I needed to > keep the same angle rearward as the "Y"stick. > > TIA > > Sal Capra > Lakeland, FL > My Home Page > http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html > > > __________________________ > Dr. Perry Morrison > Morrison Associates Pty Ltd > +61 08 89 88 4617 > 0408892638 > perrymorrison@yahoo.com > __________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:18 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower The Anywhere map is very complete and good, a pilot here has one, the only problem he finds is the glare, is very dificult (imposible will be the correct word) for him to read it in the cockpit. Maybe is only his PDA. He was very excited, because he has his checklist and several goodies in the PDA. He is planning to buy the new Garmin soon. Saludos Gary Gower --- "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." > > > Has anyone had experience with the Garmin 35 GPS? Also, are there any > opinions out there as to the functionality and reliability of > ControlVision > Anywheremap vs. NavGPS > connected to a PDA? > > Thanks for your comments.....Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Honabach" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument > panel > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > Randy, > > > > I plan on mounting the antenna to top of the 'dash'. The unit has a > > remote antenna as well. > > > > Don > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: n282rs [mailto:n282rs@sbcglobal.net] > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > instrument > > panel > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n282rs" > > > > Don > > > > How does your GPS antenna "see" the sky? Your GPS looks like one > that > > has the antenna attached to the case. That would leave it buried > behind > > the instrument panel, blocking the signal to the satellites. > > > > Randy Stout > > VW powered CH 601 HD > > n282rs@sbcglobal.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Honabach" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > instrument > > panel > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > Here are two pictures (they don't show the back though - if any > one > > > wants a picture of the back of the panel just let me know and I > take > > > one during my next rounds). If anyone is curious, next to the GPS > > > Pilot III is Dynon Developments D10 EFIS. > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-1.JPG > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-2.JPG > > > > > > Also, the second one shows my 'Trademarked Seat Pee Hole' as > well. > > > Actually it's to allow better access to some plumbing that runs > along > > > the back of the center wing. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Don Honabach > > > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS > > > > > > > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:05 AM PST US From: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." What kind of PDA does he have? I hear that the Ipaqs have good visibility in sunlight, but not some of the other PDAs. I'm hoping that my tited canopy will cut some of the sunlight from the cckpit. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > The Anywhere map is very complete and good, a pilot here has one, the > only problem he finds is the glare, is very dificult (imposible will > be the correct word) for him to read it in the cockpit. Maybe is only > his PDA. He was very excited, because he has his checklist and several > goodies in the PDA. > > He is planning to buy the new Garmin soon. > > Saludos > Gary Gower > > > --- "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." > > > > > > Has anyone had experience with the Garmin 35 GPS? Also, are there any > > opinions out there as to the functionality and reliability of > > ControlVision > > Anywheremap vs. NavGPS > > connected to a PDA? > > > > Thanks for your comments.....Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Honabach" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument > > panel > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > > > > Randy, > > > > > > I plan on mounting the antenna to top of the 'dash'. The unit has a > > > remote antenna as well. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: n282rs [mailto:n282rs@sbcglobal.net] > > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > > instrument > > > panel > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n282rs" > > > > > > Don > > > > > > How does your GPS antenna "see" the sky? Your GPS looks like one > > that > > > has the antenna attached to the case. That would leave it buried > > behind > > > the instrument panel, blocking the signal to the satellites. > > > > > > Randy Stout > > > VW powered CH 601 HD > > > n282rs@sbcglobal.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Honabach" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > > instrument > > > panel > > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > Here are two pictures (they don't show the back though - if any > > one > > > > wants a picture of the back of the panel just let me know and I > > take > > > > one during my next rounds). If anyone is curious, next to the GPS > > > > Pilot III is Dynon Developments D10 EFIS. > > > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-1.JPG > > > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-2.JPG > > > > > > > > Also, the second one shows my 'Trademarked Seat Pee Hole' as > > well. > > > > Actually it's to allow better access to some plumbing that runs > > along > > > > the back of the center wing. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Don Honabach > > > > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:13 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Zenith-List: Grounding gas tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" My 16 gal. main tank and LE wing tanks had no ground tabs. I used 3 strips of heavy duty aluminum food wrap, riveted to the airframe at one end, laid on top of the cork lining at several spots for redundency with tank pressing it in place. This still measures grounded after 7 yrs and 400 hrs. Leo Corbalis ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:46 AM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PDA's --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com In a message dated 6/25/03 12:13:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@rockinrimranch.com writes: > I hear that the Ipaqs have good visibility in > sunlight, but not some of the other PDAs Get a pda with a Transflective display. You should be able to see it well. Dell sells models at about have the price of ipaq. Jack ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:14 AM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: VW --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com In a message dated 6/24/2003 11:56:22 PM Central Daylight Time, n282rs@sbcglobal.net writes: > > It's a Greatplains 2180 with the Valley Engineering PRSU. The carb is a > Revflo and I have a PowerFin ground adjustable prop. At the recommended > setting, it turns 3500 static. I think I need to try to get it closer to > 3800. If you decide to go with a similar setup, you will need to give much > thought to what kind of carb. Many of the carbs for VW conversions don't > like any pressure on the fuel. I beat my head against the wall for months > trying to figure this out. I would think that a 701 would be able to gravity > feed to the carb so, it may not be much of an issue for you. I had to > install a header on my 601. I'm going to fill the header from the wing > tanks. I have a neat fuel gauge on order that will display gallons or %. It > also has an adjustable low fuel alarm and an output to attach a warning > light. That should help make sure I don't forget to fill the header. > > Randy, Thanks for the VW info. What ignition system? Dehil adapter? The 701SP has wing tanks. Should gravity feed OK. Something I can test for. I have been thinking about the 1915, but the 2180 spec.'s are good. How has the Valley PSRU held up? Belt's? How was the assembly of the 2180 ? Parts & fit OK? Did you make your own engine mount? Any flight experience with it? Many thanks for the insight. Jerry, CH 701SP Wing's in work. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: KAWO - Arlington, who's going? From: royt.or@netzero.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com I plan to fly N601RT to Arlington Saturday morning, returning to HIO Saturday afternoon/evening. John Karnes, Frank Hinde any other owners of Zenith planes planning to fly to KAWO? Regards, Roy email royDOTthomaATintelDOTcom (CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912S, custom in-cowling mounted Rotax radiator, all electric IFR panel, optional external 40A alternator, leading edge tanks & right wing locker tank, Standard Y stick. ~45 hours, 110 landings.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 06/24/03 From: Greg P Jannakos --> Zenith-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos Any body got a Rotax or Continental for sale? Greg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:37 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument panel --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I havent looked at it yet, maybe he will bring it over when he visits our proyect. I was thinking about the Anywhere map a few weeks ago, but I own a Palm Tungsten and this model is not compatible with them (needs two memory slots), so I lost interest for a while and will be using the Garmin 195 we have. Saludos Gary Gower --- "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." > > > What kind of PDA does he have? I hear that the Ipaqs have good > visibility in > sunlight, but not some of the other PDAs. I'm hoping that my tited > canopy > will cut some of the sunlight from the cckpit. > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Gower" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on instrument > panel > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > > The Anywhere map is very complete and good, a pilot here has one, > the > > only problem he finds is the glare, is very dificult (imposible > will > > be the correct word) for him to read it in the cockpit. Maybe is > only > > his PDA. He was very excited, because he has his checklist and > several > > goodies in the PDA. > > > > He is planning to buy the new Garmin soon. > > > > Saludos > > Gary Gower > > > > > > --- "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rockin Rim Ranch, Inc." > > > > > > > > > Has anyone had experience with the Garmin 35 GPS? Also, are there > any > > > opinions out there as to the functionality and reliability of > > > ControlVision > > > Anywheremap vs. NavGPS > > > connected to a PDA? > > > > > > Thanks for your comments.....Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Honabach" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > instrument > > > panel > > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > > > > > > > Randy, > > > > > > > > I plan on mounting the antenna to top of the 'dash'. The unit > has a > > > > remote antenna as well. > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: n282rs [mailto:n282rs@sbcglobal.net] > > > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > > > instrument > > > > panel > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n282rs" > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > How does your GPS antenna "see" the sky? Your GPS looks like > one > > > that > > > > has the antenna attached to the case. That would leave it > buried > > > behind > > > > the instrument panel, blocking the signal to the satellites. > > > > > > > > Randy Stout > > > > VW powered CH 601 HD > > > > n282rs@sbcglobal.net > http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Honabach" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Garmin GPS Pilot III mounted on > > > instrument > > > > panel > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > Here are two pictures (they don't show the back though - if > any > > > one > > > > > wants a picture of the back of the panel just let me know and > I > > > take > > > > > one during my next rounds). If anyone is curious, next to the > GPS > > > > > Pilot III is Dynon Developments D10 EFIS. > > > > > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-1.JPG > > > > > > > > > > http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/PanelGPS-2.JPG > > > > > > > > > > Also, the second one shows my 'Trademarked Seat Pee Hole' as > > > well. > > > > > Actually it's to allow better access to some plumbing that > runs > > > along > > > > > the back of the center wing. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Don Honabach > > > > > Tempe, AZ - 601HDS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:43 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PDA's --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Check the page of Controlvision, they have certain minimums for the PDA to work with the Map, 2 memory slots and some else... not all models of PDA's or iPaqs will work. Saludos Gary Gower --- CLOJAN@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com > > In a message dated 6/25/03 12:13:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dave@rockinrimranch.com writes: > > > > I hear that the Ipaqs have good visibility in > > sunlight, but not some of the other PDAs > > Get a pda with a Transflective display. You should be able to see it > well. > Dell sells models at about have the price of ipaq. Jack > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:19 PM PST US From: "dave thomas" Subject: Zenith-List: Ross re-drive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "dave thomas" Anyone out there know anything about Ross drives?I have one in my Zenith 200 mated to a Subaru ej22. Happy with till now but two weeks ago a friend in Ca called to tell me he had read about several in-flight failures.He doesn't remember where he read it.My attempts to find out more only revealed that Ross has gone out of business HELP!!!!!!!! Dave in Indiana