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1. 12:16 AM - New clear primer (randall true)
2. 01:26 AM - Re: (Chip W Erwin)
3. 02:54 AM - Zenith into Sonex (Guy Cotnoir)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Questions from a new member (Grant Corriveau)
5. 04:38 AM - Re: Zenith into Sonex (Grant Corriveau)
6. 04:49 AM - Re: New clear primer (caspainhower@aep.com)
7. 05:58 AM - Newsletters (John Thompson)
8. 05:59 AM - Zenith plans on eBay (John Thompson)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: Newsletters (Carlos Sa)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: New clear primer (caspainhower@aep.com)
11. 01:29 PM - Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
12. 02:31 PM - Re: Zinc-Chromate (David Barth)
13. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Zinc-Chromate (Frank Jones)
14. 04:46 PM - Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes (Elwood140@aol.com)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: Zenith into Sonex (Guy Cotnoir)
16. 06:44 PM - Chuck / "shrink" (Fred Poor)
17. 08:49 PM - Re: New clear primer (Eric Tauch)
18. 09:59 PM - LE slats closing slot?? (Jim Frisby)
19. 11:19 PM - Re: LE slats closing slot?? (randall true)
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| Subject: | New clear primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com>
Craig, can you tell us the name of and source for the
new clear primer that the work shop used? Thanks,
Randall
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> I'm building a 601 intro rudder kit to see what the
> Heintz system is like. 1) Is spray zinc oxide a
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> good way to go, or is there a better and or easier
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> to do it? 2) Is there a better pre-cleaner than mek?
> 3) Does anyone know if the system that sprays in oil
> after the parts are done is effective? 4) What is
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> CH152 you are talking about and where can I learn
> about it? Thanks, Randall True in Creston, Ca.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
I am sorry but we have no information on that engine at all. We
recommend the Rotax 912ULS.
Regards,
CHIP
Chip W. Erwin
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O.
Manufacturer of Sport Aircraft & Aircraft Floats
Lucn 1824, 686 02 Star Mesto, Czech Republic
Tel: +420 572 543 456 Fax: +420 572 543 692
USA Fax: (772) 264 0936
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E-mail: aircraft@czaw.cz www.airplane.cz
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
I'm looking for performance information for a Zodiac 601 HD/HDS/XL
powered by a Corvair engine.
Thanks, Greg
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| Subject: | Zenith into Sonex |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
Hi all,=0D
I am building a Sonex and I am considering the incorporation of a few =0D
Zenith ideas into my Sonex.=0D
The Zenith aileron hinge is made to be almost permanently installed.=0D
Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings?=0D
Is there a Zenith plans owner in the Toronto area (Canada)?=0D
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Please reply to guy_cotnoir@msn.com=0D
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Thanx=0D
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: Questions from a new member |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Somewhere on the Zenith site is a place where you can
> sign up for their email updates. http://www.zenithair.com/maillist.html I'm
> sure they will send out a message when it's official.
Thanks Randy -- I didn't even know this existed - now I'm signed up.
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Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith into Sonex |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> From: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
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> Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings?
The rivets can be drilled out and the aileron removed with a little care.
Not something I'd recommend as a 'regular' operation, but certainly do-able.
I'm curious why this is important?
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Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: New clear primer |
07/14/2003 07:46:00 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Randall,
I purchased the primer from ZAC. But I have a request in to them to
get that information because I am almost out (no info on can). When I get
a reply I will post it to the list.
Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com>
Craig, can you tell us the name of and source for the
new clear primer that the work shop used? Thanks,
Randall
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson <rcav8r@charter.net>
Jon,
ZAC doesn't put out the newsletters. They're done independently. Thats
why they aren't online.
John
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| Subject: | Zenith plans on eBay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson <rcav8r@charter.net>
All, I've put my 4th edition plans on eBay. just search for zenith 701
on eBay motors. This includes the plans, manual, and all the newsletters
concerning the 701. If I can't get my price on eBay, I'll take them to
the aeromart at Oshkosh.
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
That's partially true.
I discussed the idea of making the newsletter an (optional) on-line service (i.e.,
e-mailed), but the publisher (Steve Krog) didn't think it was worthwhile, as a
significant number of the subscribers aren't "internet enabled".
Carlos
--- John Thompson <rcav8r@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson <rcav8r@charter.net>
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> Jon,
> ZAC doesn't put out the newsletters. They're done independently. Thats
> why they aren't online.
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| Subject: | Re: New clear primer |
07/14/2003 10:05:00 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
can you tell us the name of and source for the
new clear primer that the work shop used?
The product is called Cortec and according to ZAC it is available in St.
Louis but only in 5 gallon quantities. ZAC sells it for $20/qt.
Craig S.
601 XL Tail, flaps and ailerons done, used ~ 3/4 qt.
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| Subject: | Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/12/2003 10:29:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fredspoor2002@yahoo.com writes:
> the guy
> is a complete asshole for even considering doing such
> a STUPID thing (or asking about it)..
I think you are out of line here. This is not the way you should treat
people that have a question for this list. It will shy people away from a medium
that is designed for just such questions. The person should not be didiculed
for experimenting with an idea.
I also think you need to get yourself a bit more class. Your trashy response
simply shows you are an ignorant member of this list. Which I WOULD PROBABLY
THINK MOST OF IT'S MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE GONE.
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | RE: Zinc-Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Frank
The vapours from the brush-on zinc-chromate is very
strong too. Princess Auto sells a respirator and
filter cartridges, I think it was about $30 total and
it really works well. I even use it when I brush on
the zinc-chromate outdoors. It is really cheap
insurance for your health.
FWIW
David
--- Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I just bought the can of zinc chromate liquid and
> cut it with lacquer
> thinner to apply it with a paint brush. I hope its
> not too toxic this
> way.
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> ______________________
> Frank Jones
> C-GYXQ
> 601 XL
> ______________________
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | RE: Zinc-Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
David, thanks for the tip. I was banking on the spray containing all the
harmful stuff to help the Zinc Chromate get applied. It's too late now
for this airplane (and this body). Hopefully I'll live long enough at
least to fly it, and then some.
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Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zinc-Chromate
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Frank
The vapours from the brush-on zinc-chromate is very
strong too. Princess Auto sells a respirator and
filter cartridges, I think it was about $30 total and
it really works well. I even use it when I brush on
the zinc-chromate outdoors. It is really cheap
insurance for your health.
FWIW
David
--- Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I just bought the can of zinc chromate liquid and
> cut it with lacquer
> thinner to apply it with a paint brush. I hope its
> not too toxic this
> way.
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> ______________________
> Frank Jones
> C-GYXQ
> 601 XL
> ______________________
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=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Currently making parts.
Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready
for inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
To the List: The horse died a week ago. Nothing is to be gained by beating
it. Let's just bury the poor thing and get on with building our airplanes and
sharing experiences.
Larry Wood
701 aborning
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith into Sonex |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" <guy_cotnoir@msn.com>
Guy Cotnoir wrote: =0D
"Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings?"=0D
=0D
Grant Corriveau wrote: =0D
"I'm curious why this is important?"=0D
=0D
I am looking to MAYBE use the Zenith hinge on the Sonex control =0D
surfaces, and also I am considering modifying the aileron counterweight =0D
but this modification would make the removal of the aileron/counterweight =0D
assembly difficult.=0D
Still, it would save as much as 6 pounds over the per-plans counterweight =0D
and would be better at canceling flutter.=0D
=0D
guy_cotnoir@msn.com
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| Subject: | Chuck / "shrink" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
I take exception to your reply. While the idea of a
spinable 701 is in
my
opinion a very bad idea and a
very good way to get killed. I believe
there
is no such thing as a stupid
question. This gentleman put forth what
he
believed to be a honest
question. You are the ASSSSSShole. Learn to
answer
questions not attack people.
Chuck
do not archive
I say the word and some of get upset--- Chuck says it
(see above) and it's okay-- this list hasn't changed
as much as I tought it had-- and thanks for the free
evaluation "shrink" sounds like something you should
be telling WOW-- they would be proud of you. "fred"
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New clear primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
I found this website....I dont know which specific product ZAC is using.
I am interested in using this too.
http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/Coatings/coatings.php
Eric Tauch
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New clear primer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
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> can you tell us the name of and source for the
> new clear primer that the work shop used?
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> The product is called Cortec and according to ZAC it is available in St.
> Louis but only in 5 gallon quantities. ZAC sells it for $20/qt.
>
> Craig S.
> 601 XL Tail, flaps and ailerons done, used ~ 3/4 qt.
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| Subject: | LE slats closing slot?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
I think we would all agree that the 801 and 701 cannot be flown without the
slats. The effect on the center of lift alone would be disasterous, add to
that the fact that without the slat, the wing has no recognizable
aerodynamic design.
on the other hand, it might be possible to fly the plane with the slat
blocked, such that it is streamlined with the wing skin and no air can flow
through it. In fact, I believe ZAC has broached this subject with the
idea that it might improve cruise speed for cross-country flight.
I have thought about taping up a short (then longer if successful) section
of the bottom the slat opening on each side of my 801 (it's not flying yet)
to observe the effect on flight performance.
Jim Frisby
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| Subject: | Re: LE slats closing slot?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com>
Perhaps Reese would be interested in learning about
the Savannah, a 701 kit built in Italy, but with a
more standard type wing and elevator I think. Take off
roll is about double, but cruise is about 10 knots
faster, and I assume it can be spun. Randall
--- Jim Frisby <marslander@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby"
> <marslander@hotmail.com>
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> I think we would all agree that the 801 and 701
> cannot be flown without the
> slats. The effect on the center of lift alone would
> be disasterous, add to
> that the fact that without the slat, the wing has no
> recognizable
> aerodynamic design.
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> on the other hand, it might be possible to fly the
> plane with the slat
> blocked, such that it is streamlined with the wing
> skin and no air can flow
> through it. In fact, I believe ZAC has broached
> this subject with the
> idea that it might improve cruise speed for
> cross-country flight.
>
> I have thought about taping up a short (then longer
> if successful) section
> of the bottom the slat opening on each side of my
> 801 (it's not flying yet)
> to observe the effect on flight performance.
>
> Jim Frisby
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